A woman's right to choose.

[rivrrat]

Again child you can't refrain from name calling. I back what I say 100%. 40,000,000 babies have been murdered. It's not BS as you put it. CLOSE YOUR LEGS; problem solved unless irresponsibility is the foundation of societies now. Your blindness is laughable as you can't see the "prevention" part of it, only babble and cackle about the morning after. Tough luck, deal with it.

But you don't care about the murdered babies, why keep bringing them up?

Why not just say what you mean regarding punishing women for daring to have sex?

Tough luck, deal with it? Why not say that to the rape victim who is pregnant? Maybe she shouldn't have gone out that night. After all, every woman knows that it's possible for her to get raped if she walks down the street. Hell... it's possible for her to get raped if she stays at home for that matter. Maybe she should have taken better precautions and gotten a better home security system, or taken a self defense class. Allowing her to murder a child simply because she was too irresponsible or incompetent to defend herself is an atrocity. Why punish the baby by murdering it just because mommy wasn't adept enough at fending off an attacker? Why punish the baby by murdering it just because daddy was a jerk-off rapist? It's not the baby's fault its father was a rapist, or its mother was irresponsible and went out alone without any sort of defense.

Additionally, you continue to imply that every unplanned pregnancy is the result of the lack of birth control usage. Often times, it's the lack of proper birth control usage. Condoms break, BC pills fail or can be interferred with by other meds... so on and so forth. Why is it okay to murder a baby when a woman's home security system fails her, but it's not okay to murder one when her birth control fails her?

 

[rhinefire]

But you don't care about the murdered babies, why keep bringing them up?

Why not just say what you mean regarding punishing women for daring to have sex?

Tough luck, deal with it? Why not say that to the rape victim who is pregnant? Maybe she shouldn't have gone out that night. After all, every woman knows that it's possible for her to get raped if she walks down the street. Hell... it's possible for her to get raped if she stays at home for that matter. Maybe she should have taken better precautions and gotten a better home security system, or taken a self defense class. Allowing her to murder a child simply because she was too irresponsible or incompetent to defend herself is an atrocity. Why punish the baby by murdering it just because mommy wasn't adept enough at fending off an attacker? Why punish the baby by murdering it just because daddy was a jerk-off rapist? It's not the baby's fault its father was a rapist, or its mother was irresponsible and went out alone without any sort of defense.

Additionally, you continue to imply that every unplanned pregnancy is the result of the lack of birth control usage. Often times, it's the lack of proper birth control usage. Condoms break, BC pills fail or can be interferred with by other meds... so on and so forth. Why is it okay to murder a baby when a woman's home security system fails her, but it's not okay to murder one when her birth control fails her?

This blue marble is not perfect so we that are smart learn to adapt and survive. For those that cannot get up after they trip and fall, well then they just have to deal with it.

 

[rivrrat]

This blue marble is not perfect so we that are smart learn to adapt and survive. For those that cannot get up after they trip and fall, well then they just have to deal with it.

I'm sure this had some sort of profound meaning to you when you wrote it, but I'm afraid you may have to clarify for the rest of us just how it applies to the subject at hand.

 

[Cephus]

Hey syphilis you calling me a liar is like me calling you smart.

:lamo :2funny: :lamo

Thanks, I haven't had a laugh like that in a long time. You screwy, lying hyper-cons really do know how to tell a joke.

 

[MSgt]

Hey syphilis you calling me a liar is like me calling you smart.

Moderator's Warning:

No name calling.

 

[Cephus]

Again child you can't refrain from name calling.

Says the guy who called me syphilis. Right.

I back what I say 100%. 40,000,000 babies have been murdered.

No, 40,000,000 fetuses have been aborted. Murder is a legal term that refers to killing not sanctioned by law. Since abortion is legal, it is an outright LIE to refer to it as murder.

But since we keep catching you in these bald-faced lies, I guess that's not surprising.

It's not BS as you put it. CLOSE YOUR LEGS; problem solved unless irresponsibility is the foundation of societies now. Your blindness is laughable as you can't see the "prevention" part of it, only babble and cackle about the morning after. Tough luck, deal with it.

How about we suggest something else that you ought to be closing? Your mouth.

 

[Jray]

You sidestep the issue of rape because it is a major flaw in your argument.

Pro-life groups argue abortion is wrong because you are killing innocent lives.

You say that the mother knows tha consequences when she has sex so she must deal with them, but with your logic during a rape she does not agree to this contract you describe so abortion should be left an option for them.

But if a raped mother aborts the pregenancy she is still killing the innocent life so unless you disagree with the common pro-life agrgument against rape then you cant make an agruement this way.

 

[Jerry]

Inalienable rights are not dependant on anyone's concurrence that they are there. It is foolish to try defend inalienable rights with a consent argument; you have to defend inalienable rights with an inalienable rights argument.

Rick, rhinefire, I'm leaving you to the wolves, and your going to be eaten alive.

 

[jallman]

Inalienable rights are not dependant on anyone's concurrence that they are there. It is foolish to try defend inalienable rights with a consent argument; you have to defend inalienable rights with an inalienable rights argument.

Rick, rhinefire, I'm leaving you to the wolves, and your going to be eaten alive.

I resent being called a wolf. You all know I am a big sweet puppy. :mrgreen:

 

[Jerry]

I resent being called a wolf. You all know I am a big sweet puppy. :mrgreen:

You sure like burying bones in your backyard that's for sure :2wave:

Personally I'm more of a cat chaser myself, but if some new folks want to chase tires, well, I think they'll be disappointed when they finally succeed in their effort.

 

[1069]

Here's my simple answer (that should be obvious by now to most) NO!!! In the name of the RAPED mother the fetus must be expendable.

And just as adamantly, I believe that in the name of any woman who doesn't wish to be pregnant, for any reason, the fetus is expendable.
If I don't want somebody in my body, they can get the fvck out, end of story.
Nobody has the right to touch me against my will.
Nobody has the right to so much as invade my personal space and breathe on me if I don't want them to, and so definitely nobody has the right to inhabit my body and sustain themselves by leeching away my bodily resources without my consent, especially when that "somebody" isn't even a person- but also, even if it was.

Don't dare call a raping pig the biological father. How would YOU like a "biological father".

The "raping pig" would be a biological father- at least a putative one- only if a child were actually born.
A man is a father only if he has a child.
No child, no father. Savvy?
If the victim chose to gestate the fetus to term and give birth to it, on the other hand, then the rapist would indeed be a biological father. Denying this, becoming outraged, and claiming that he is not the biological father would not change the fact that he is the biological father- legally, genetically, and in every other sense of the word. Hopefully he would not be a custodial father, at least not if he were tried for the rape and found guilty. And this is something that would have to be dealt with; the rape victim who chose to give birth to the child of her rapist- and certainly, the child him/herself- would not have the luxury of denial.

Yet, many prolifers here do not agree that abortion should be an option for rape victims, and in fact would consider you prochoice for saying so.

 

[ILDUCE]

Yes, that is true. That is what makes me ultimately pro choice. There is just something wrong about a woman's first option in a forced impregnation to be abortion...

 

[Rick]

No one else gets harmed in an early term abortion...

(OK! :lol: I'll play your silly-asss game!) Yes they do!

No, it's just one choice, your misogyny aside.

In the unlikely event anyone else is reading this, note the pro-abortionists endlessly switch the issue away from the fetus, because they are unable to argue that issue. I'm a "misogynist". :rofl

ooooooooo - argumentum moronus. Now that's getting nasty. If you'd like to go ahead and get the posturing out of the way, we can do that, too.

"Posturing"? What are you talking about?

I never called it a disease. You just did. Nor did I call it anything other than human. Why don't you try to speak to what I said instead of dishonestly applying your half-logic to my post. We might get somewhere.

That's EXACTLY what you implied, and what pro-abortionists do all the time in lieu of argument - reduce another human life to a "condition", etc.

You seem to be the one making the unseemly comparisons. It is not my fault that you can't distinguish fact from whatever little fiction you use to justify your desire to punish women for being in control of their sexuality.

I don't give a flaming F____ about any woman's sexuality, she can screw the top of the empire state building for all I care. Once again, like every cowardly pro abortionist, you try to clutter the discussion with these ridiculous side issues.

No, your sophistic hyperboles aside...

Where did I engage in hyperbole??? Now you're just talking to the pro-life phantoms in your imagination.

she has contraceptives at her disposal and, if all else fails, she has an approved medical procedure to terminate the condition of pregnancy. Sometimes pregnancy is simply an accident whether you like it or not.

Accident or not, she KNEW about the possibilty of that accident. She took on the risk, and is not morally allowed to make someone else suffer the consequences of the risk she knowingly and voluntarily took on.

All that aside, you still fail to see how specious your comparison was. No one acquires a mortgage from simply having a credit check done. Does that bring it down to your level a little better?

Note to self: limit the presentation of analogies to persons with IQ = 100+.

Care to demonstrate how you arrived at this particular number? Or were you just pulling this out of the same bag of hyperboles and invented truths you have used thus far?

The number is an extremely well-known statistic obtained by the Guttmacher Institute, which is pro-abortion. Breath-taking chutzpah from someone who never heard of this, but goes round brandishing the word "sophist".

No it isn't; not to a fetus with no connected CNS. Not to a mass of highly specialized and differentiated cells that has no thought, no sapience, no nothing except the possibility of becoming a baby.

A descent from chutzpah to ignorance in one sentence - rare and entertaining if nothing else! :rofl

So, it hasn't even conceived of itself yet. It isn't an individual; just a mass residing within the woman who has a right to do what she wishes with her body.

Yaaaaaaaa yaaaaa - a blob - after 35 years one would think EVEN pro abortionists would come up with something more sophisticated than the ol' "blob" imbecilism. :roll:

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Moderator's Warning:

Even after GySgt's warning, the nastiness continues. Stop the name-calling or some of you may not be posting on this thread.

 

[rhinefire]

Says the guy who called me syphilis. Right.



No, 40,000,000 fetuses have been aborted. Murder is a legal term that refers to killing not sanctioned by law. Since abortion is legal, it is an outright LIE to refer to it as murder.

But since we keep catching you in these bald-faced lies, I guess that's not surprising.



How about we suggest something else that you ought to be closing? Your mouth.

You must type with your mouth. I use my hands and I know how to close them when I have to. No 40,000,000 have been murdered. Now should you choose to maintain your blind-eyed opinion of what murder is you are nothing more than one of millions that scream at the dead, "You are dead and now cannot defend your right to a life like we have." So place you misguided dribble on your chair and have a seat, that way you won't have to reach behind to place it where it belongs.

 

[rivrrat]

You must type with your mouth. I use my hands and I know how to close them when I have to. No 40,000,000 have been murdered.

But the innocent pink babies that were aborted because the mother was raped weren't actually murdered, right? (putting aside the obvious legal context of the word murder) It's not "murder" to abort when the conditions of the conception meet your criteria, correct? Nothing is killed then, I assume.

Now should you choose to maintain your blind-eyed opinion of what murder is you are nothing more than one of millions that scream at the dead, "You are dead and now cannot defend your right to a life like we have." So place you misguided dribble on your chair and have a seat, that way you won't have to reach behind to place it where it belongs.

Who the hell talks to the dead?

 

[rivrrat]

(OK! :lol: I'll play your silly-asss game!) Yes they do!



In the unlikely event anyone else is reading this, note the pro-abortionists endlessly switch the issue away from the fetus, because they are unable to argue that issue. I'm a "misogynist". :rofl



"Posturing"? What are you talking about?



That's EXACTLY what you implied, and what pro-abortionists do all the time in lieu of argument - reduce another human life to a "condition", etc.



I don't give a flaming F____ about any woman's sexuality, she can screw the top of the empire state building for all I care. Once again, like every cowardly pro abortionist, you try to clutter the discussion with these ridiculous side issues.



Where did I engage in hyperbole??? Now you're just talking to the pro-life phantoms in your imagination.



Accident or not, she KNEW about the possibilty of that accident. She took on the risk, and is not morally allowed to make someone else suffer the consequences of the risk she knowingly and voluntarily took on.



Note to self: limit the presentation of analogies to persons with IQ = 100+.



The number is an extremely well-known statistic obtained by the Guttmacher Institute, which is pro-abortion. Breath-taking chutzpah from someone who never heard of this, but goes round brandishing the word "sophist".



A descent from chutzpah to ignorance in one sentence - rare and entertaining if nothing else! :rofl



Yaaaaaaaa yaaaaa - a blob - after 35 years one would think EVEN pro abortionists would come up with something more sophisticated than the ol' "blob" imbecilism. :roll:

Do you have any argument left at all? Anywhere? Or should we just consider you spanked?

 

[rhinefire]

But the innocent pink babies that were aborted because the mother was raped weren't actually murdered, right? (putting aside the obvious legal context of the word murder) It's not "murder" to abort when the conditions of the conception meet your criteria, correct? Nothing is killed then, I assume.

You are still harping on an issue I have made myself clear on. Is it "murder" when a soldier or any police officer kills or a homeowner kills an intruder? Oh, you might want to right your self on your last post because all babies are not pink. Why does a baby have more right to life than the rape victim? Is the rape victim inconsequential to society?

Who the hell talks to the dead?

You have got to be kidding me hear. Right?

 

[rivrrat]

You are still harping on an issue I have made myself clear on. Is it "murder" when a soldier or any police officer kills or a homeowner kills an intruder?

Someone is killed, why isn't it murder?

Aside from that, are you likening an unwanted pregnancy to a home intruder?

Why does a baby have more right to life than the rape victim? Is the rape victim inconsequential to society?

Why does a "baby" have more right to life than the woman whose body it's in? Is the woman inconsequential to society?

You have got to be kidding me hear. Right?

Why would I be kidding? You were referring to talking to dead people which I associate with madness.

 

[rhinefire]

Someone is killed, why isn't it murder?

Aside from that, are you likening an unwanted pregnancy to a home intruder?


Why does a "baby" have more right to life than the woman whose body it's in? Is the woman inconsequential to society?


Why would I be kidding? You were referring to talking to dead people which I associate with madness.

OK, that's it for me. No more posts here until we make contact with creatues from other dimensions. I'm out!

 

[rivrrat]

OK, that's it for me. No more posts here until we make contact with creatues from other dimensions. I'm out!

LMAO

Another one spanked. :mrgreen:

 

[jallman]

(OK! :lol: I'll play your silly-asss game!) Yes they do!



In the unlikely event anyone else is reading this, note the pro-abortionists endlessly switch the issue away from the fetus, because they are unable to argue that issue. I'm a "misogynist".



"Posturing"? What are you talking about?



That's EXACTLY what you implied, and what pro-abortionists do all the time in lieu of argument - reduce another human life to a "condition", etc.



I don't give a flaming F____ about any woman's sexuality, she can screw the top of the empire state building for all I care. Once again, like every cowardly pro abortionist, you try to clutter the discussion with these ridiculous side issues.



Where did I engage in hyperbole??? Now you're just talking to the pro-life phantoms in your imagination.



Accident or not, she KNEW about the possibilty of that accident. She took on the risk, and is not morally allowed to make someone else suffer the consequences of the risk she knowingly and voluntarily took on.



Note to self: limit the presentation of analogies to persons with IQ = 100+.



The number is an extremely well-known statistic obtained by the Guttmacher Institute, which is pro-abortion. Breath-taking chutzpah from someone who never heard of this, but goes round brandishing the word "sophist".



A descent from chutzpah to ignorance in one sentence - rare and entertaining if nothing else! :rofl



Yaaaaaaaa yaaaaa - a blob - after 35 years one would think EVEN pro abortionists would come up with something more sophisticated than the ol' "blob" imbecilism. :roll:

I see there's no point here. You are simply a nasty individual who cannot handle that he was getting spanked early on.

There is no such thing as a pro-abortionist. That is a lie you repeated in an attempt to vilify and color your opponent a dealer of death and nothing more. You continually insult and denigrate because you have no strong argument to make other than "the slut should have known better".

Glad you showed your colors early on so the rest of us know to just ignore your infantile rants from here on. :doh

 

[Rick]

Do you have any argument left at all? Anywhere? Or should we just consider you spanked?

I'll give you a spanking, and I got a feeling you would like it. :2razz: (P.S.: Women aren't taken seriously by men in political debates. :lol: )

 

[Jerry]

I'll give you a spanking, and I got a feeling you would like it. :2razz: (P.S.: Women aren't taken seriously by men in political debates.)

rivrrat, take that as a "no".

Rick, you should quit this thread, do some research, and come back on another thread new.

 

[Rick]

I see there's no point here. You are simply a nasty individual who cannot handle that he was getting spanked early on.

There is no such thing as a pro-abortionist. That is a lie you repeated in an attempt to vilify and color your opponent a dealer of death and nothing more. You continually insult and denigrate because you have no strong argument to make other than "the slut should have known better".

Glad you showed your colors early on so the rest of us know to just ignore your infantile rants from here on. :doh

Awwwwwwwww .... did I hurt your wittle feeeeeeeelings? :baby2 :rofl: