A simple question for all Trump Supporters

[Luckyone]

SOURCE: ?

Roseann

Evidently, you did not fully read post #112 where the link was.

Nonetheless, here is the link again.

State Dept. Was Granted $120 Million to Fight Russian Meddling. It Has Spent $0. - The New York Times

 

[smallvoice]

And there's the whataboutism from a tRump supporter. Like clockwork.

Yes, I'm sure you don't want to address the root cause of the matter.

 

[toober]

My question to all Trump supporters is "Why is Trump not doing something to protect our nation against election interference by Russia (or anyone else)?

The way I see it, we can't expect others to stop meddling in our elections until we stop meddling in theirs. How many tyrants and dictators have we had a hand in removing from power?

 

[Luckyone]

The way I see it, we can't expect others to stop meddling in our elections until we stop meddling in theirs. How many tyrants and dictators have we had a hand in removing from power?

So we should just allow them to do it, right? We are a fair nation, so we let them do it because we do it to them, right? Wow, what a patriot you are not.

 

[toober]

So we should just allow them to do it, right? We are a fair nation, so we let them do it because we do it to them, right? Wow, what a patriot you are not.

How about we stop meddling before we ask others to stop. Otherwise, we are just a nation of hypocrites.

 

[hanger4]

I can think of many good reasons for Trump announcing this:

1) we would not be seen as weak
2) we would be defending our Democracy
3) we would be making a statement that we will not allow it to happen again
4) Trump would gain popularity and votes among the independents and the media for doing the right thing
5) Trump would not be seen as being Putin'g puppet
6) Trump would show he is a leader of the free world

Can you show me reasons why not to do it?

Because he is doing something, whether or not you keep up with what he's doing is irrelevant.

Trump asks for $9.6 billion to bolster cybersecurity in 2020 budget

Trump requests $3.3B for DHS cyber unit in 2019 | TheHill

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...703381b326b2d177d6058/?utm_term=.56ef58e8bc00

 

[Stealers Wheel]

Yeah....a nothing burger in regards to how much of an effect it had on the elections.

It didn't affect you. There were millions of undecided 2016 voters you cannot say that about because you don't know. The electoral college victory was decided by less than 80,000 votes nationwide.

But apparently, you have no problem with Russian meddling, as long as you can't see how it impacted your vote.

 

[Mycroft]

:lamo

Oh yeah, all those rallies he has been doing before AND after getting elected have nothing to do with getting support from anyone

Oh...well...good for you. You got me with a deflection.

You are dismissed.

 

[jimbo]

Where was your outrage when Obama ignored Russian interference?
Unless you are reading another report, the Mueller investigative report did not put Trump in a bad light regarding the above.
I know that's not the question you asked, but creating a deflection and blaming Trump for what Obama ignored and failed to do is predictably amusing...Imagine this. IF Obama had done his job, the guy you hate probably wouldn't have won. :lamo

:2wave:

Democratic strategist rips Obama for not doing enough to stop Russian election interference

Exactly. Obama knew of the likelihood of interference by foreigners long before Nov 8th and did nothing. So there are two possibilities: (1) Obama didn't think it mattered and Hillary was a lock. So don't make waves. Or: (2) Obama believed that any outside help would be directed towards Hillary and it help. So don't make waves.

I believe that any help for either side from anyone didn't matter. Hillary was simply the worst possible candidate at the best possible time. President Trump was the best possible candidate at the best possible time.

But to blame the loss on Hillary or the Democrats means the loss must be blamed on the voters. So now it's on to President Trump. Or the EC. Or Mueller/Barr.

 

[jimbo]

Au contraire! He won't be able to do anything as long as the Democrats continue to hold hearings and investigate. Never mind that Trump claims to have 'accomplished' more than any president before him and of course being 'so hard on Russia', your claims to the contrary notwithstanding.

BTW, "Hands Tied" will undoubtedly be another explanation as to why he refuses to make good on his campaign promise to release his tax returns. You'll be able to write "His hands were tied with regard to his tax returns thanks to this phony investigation into his taxes."

You must enjoy coming up with so many creative excuses for him.

The tax returns are a dead horse. Put down the whip. Or stow it in the impeachment basket.

 

[Thingfish]

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Perhaps you are right that I don't know how this game is played. Nonetheless, I am quoting people that do know how the game is played and it is funny that these non-informed ideas of mine are the same ones that they have.

Then again, I should understand that you know how the game is played. Why don't you show me in clear detail the game plan?

Well, the first rule of fight club is...ya don’t talk about fight club.

 

[CharisRose]

Evidently, you did not fully read post #112 where the link was.

Nonetheless, here is the link again.

State Dept. Was Granted $120 Million to Fight Russian Meddling. It Has Spent $0. - The New York Times

I couldn't read it then or now I am not a subscriber to the New York Times.

Perhaps, you could find another source that has the same information.

Roseann

 

[Luckyone]

How about we stop meddling before we ask others to stop. Otherwise, we are just a nation of hypocrites.

Though I agree with you, how does that change the OP question about Russian meddling in our election and Trump not giving it importance?

 

[Luckyone]

Because he is doing something, whether or not you keep up with what he's doing is irrelevant.

Trump asks for $9.6 billion to bolster cybersecurity in 2020 budget

Trump requests $3.3B for DHS cyber unit in 2019 | TheHill

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...703381b326b2d177d6058/?utm_term=.56ef58e8bc00

Prove the OP. The OP states that Trump is not giving the election meddling the same importance as the border crisis.

 

[Luckyone]

Well, the first rule of fight club is...ya don’t talk about fight club.

then why is Trump talking about what he is doing at the border crisis? Shouldn't the same thing apply. A fight is a fight, right?

 

[Slavister]

Oh...well...good for you. You got me with a deflection.

You are dismissed.

Your nonsensical statement was too easy to "get". No deflection. You are dismissed once again.

 

[AlbqOwl]

I refuse to address any posts regarding past presidents as this is not a competition. We have problems and they need to be resolved and Obama can no longer resolve them. Trump has clearly stated that he "alone can fix it" and as such, he has that opportunity.

As far the bolded paragraph, I am not going to agree or disagree with your statement but if there is one thing that your statement does say is that Trump has an MO and his MO has been to make things of concern publicly known and to repeat it ad nauseam. He does not keep general issues quiet. He may not give details on what he is doing but he wants everyone to know he is doing something.

On this issue, he has not only kept it quiet but actually said he believes Putin when he said he had nothing to do with meddling with our elections. If there is one thing that Trump hates to the nth degree is to be made a fool and saying he believes Putin over convincing proof from our intelligence community and now also proof from Mueller, has made him look like an absolute idiot.

As such, you have no case, using your own words.

He did not say he believed Putin over our intelligence agencies re Russian interference. He knows there was interference and has taken proactive measures to deal with any such efforts in the future.

But since our intelligence agencies have not specifically identified Putin as the one at the core of that interference, President Trump is giving Putin benefit of the doubt that he didn't order it. Everybody should have benefit of the doubt, no matter how much we don't like them or how much we distrust them, until there is absolute evidence tying them to a crime.

Sure I think there is plenty of room to think President Trump might be pretty naive there. Then again, maybe he isn't so naive. We honestly don't know. I'm waiting for the hard evidence to come to a firm conclusion here.

 

[toober]

Though I agree with you, how does that change the OP question about Russian meddling in our election and Trump not giving it importance?

My argument is that it is not worth giving any importance until we stop doing the same thing to the rest of the world. Besides, there are more problems with our elections than a few Facebook ads.

 

[Luckyone]

My argument is that it is not worth giving any importance until we stop doing the same thing to the rest of the world. Besides, there are more problems with our elections than a few Facebook ads.

back to my first answer. We then do not do anything? Changing what we have done in the past and will likely do again is not going to happen, so your solution is let the enemy in so it will teach us a lesson?

 

[Thingfish]

then why is Trump talking about what he is doing at the border crisis? Shouldn't the same thing apply. A fight is a fight, right?

hes only doing what every other president has done, and should do...secure our borders with the laws we have. Congress needs to do its job now ie; (the Dems) need to step up and be adults and fix the loopholes that exist...oh wait, that’s right, they want more voters and bigger government, why not just send em absentee ballots.

 

[Luckyone]

hes only doing what every other president has done, and should do...secure our borders with the laws we have. Congress needs to do its job now ie; (the Dems) need to step up and be adults and fix the loopholes that exist...oh wait, that’s right, they want more voters and bigger government, why not just send em absentee ballots.

Oh, now we are back to doing what every other president has done. Well, every other president has not opened a back channel to communicating with Putin and there not being anyone else present that could verify what was agreed to or not. Every other president has made it publicly clear that we will not allow Russia or anyone else to attack us without repercussions. Nonetheless, Trump wants a back channel were only he and Putin can talk, wants to keep our intentions of fighting cyber warfare secret but wants to be like other presidents and secure our borders and do it publicly in this case. He also wants to do it in a way that no other president has done, which is by going against our Democratic laws where the Senate holds the purse strings and the President just executes (Executive branch) what Congress has decided. In other words, the checks and balances that our Constitution calls for.

You cannot have it both ways.

 

[Bullseye]

Oh, now we are back to doing what every other president has done. Well, every other president has not opened a back channel to communicating with Putin and there not being anyone else present that could verify what was agreed to or not. Every other president has made it publicly clear that we will not allow Russia or anyone else to attack us without repercussions. Nonetheless, Trump wants a back channel were only he and Putin can talk, wants to keep our intentions of fighting cyber warfare secret but wants to be like other presidents and do it publicly in order to secure our borders with the laws we have and do it in a way that no other president has done before, which is by going against our Democratic laws where the Senate holds the purse strings and the President just executes (Executive branch) what Congress has decided. In other words, the checks and balances that our Constitution calls for.

You cannot have it both ways.

You confidently talk about stuff you have not concept of. Obama got caught on an open mike suggesting exactly that: an open back channel between he and Putin. The rest of your rambling nonsense isn't worth discussing.

 

[Thingfish]

Oh, now we are back to doing what every other president has done. Well, every other president has not opened a back channel to communicating with Putin and there not being anyone else present that could verify what was agreed to or not. Every other president has made it publicly clear that we will not allow Russia or anyone else to attack us without repercussions. Nonetheless, Trump wants a back channel were only he and Putin can talk, wants to keep our intentions of fighting cyber warfare secret but wants to be like other presidents and secure our borders and do it publicly and use. He also wants to do it in a way that no other president has done, which is by going against our Democratic laws where the Senate holds the purse strings and the President just executes (Executive branch) what Congress has decided. In other words, the checks and balances that our Constitution calls for.

You cannot have it both ways.

Now you’re just being silly Oblama used the pen many a times to push an executive order, they all do.

 

[Fishking]

It didn't affect you. There were millions of undecided 2016 voters you cannot say that about because you don't know. The electoral college victory was decided by less than 80,000 votes nationwide.

But apparently, you have no problem with Russian meddling, as long as you can't see how it impacted your vote.

Never said I didn't have a problem with it. I've only said that it's effect was inconsequential, and it was. Now...if you want to actually talk about this subject, with any sort of honesty and education, you'll be forced to admit that a few FB memes is nothing compared to the interference the U.S. has done in innumerable countries, to include using military force, in various governmental systems.

Like...it's not even close. It's like a mass murderer complaining someone punched him.

 

[Luckyone]

You confidently talk about stuff you have not concept of. Obama got caught on an open mike suggesting exactly that: an open back channel between he and Putin. The rest of your rambling nonsense isn't worth discussing.

well, your words say it all. An open back channel between he an Putin. Show me where he suggested there be no secretaries there, no other cabinet members, no notes taken. Prove your point (if you can).

and by the way, every post of yours has been rambling nonsense because there has not been one post that has answered the OP question, which is "why is Trump not giving publicly the same amount of importance to the Russian election meddling that he is giving to border security".

Every post of yours has stayed away from answering that simple question in an effort to distract, change the topic, and or throw the blame over to someone else, be it Obama, be it me, or be it the holy ghost.

You are a piece of work Bullseye and after this thread where I promised I would answer all the Trump supporter questions, I will not respond to your posts ever again. You are not after the truth, you are after proving yourself and Trump right in a fantasy world that is so much fantasy that ducks eat elephants for breakfast.