A simple question about Iran

[Questerr]

Religious extremists are likely to do anything. You can't comprehend how much the Ayatollahs hate Jews and will do anything to bring about the end of the world as we know it. Those dudes are mega-scary if you ask me.

So why haven't they launched a mass nerve gas attack on Israel? They've the capability to do so for more than a decade.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Well, the history of this subject goes back so far that the majority of this conversation is exclusive to modern day conditions.

However that said, there is no way to delicately remove decades of our greater Middle East policy with such ease.

 

[lemmiwinx]

So why haven't they launched a mass nerve gas attack on Israel? They've the capability to do so for more than a decade.

They're probably afraid of what Israel would do to them if they did anything. I'm just saying why embolden them by letting the get nuclear bombs? Talk about your Allahu akbar! moment. Who knows what they'd do with nukes.

 

[Questerr]

They're probably afraid of what Israel would do to them if they did. anything. I'm just saying why embolden them by letting the get nuclear bombs? Talk about your Allahu akbar! moment who knows what they'd do.

Why would that change if they had nukes? Israel has second strike capability. Iran nuking Israel doesn’t change the equation. Iran still gets annihilated.

 

[lemmiwinx]

Why would that change if they had nukes? Israel has second strike capability. Iran nuking Israel doesn’t change the equation. Iran still gets annihilated.

Iran being turned into sheet of glass by Israel doesn't bother me. But Iran obtaining a nuclear bomb and setting it off in Tel Aviv or New York City or Paris or London does.

DON'T LET IRAN GET NUKES!

 

[Evilroddy]

Not so,

Iran Breaches the Nuclear Deal and UN Resolutions for Third Time

Iranian leaders have breached both the resolutions and the nuclear agreement for the third time since the nuclear deal went into effect in January 2016. Iran has repeatedly test-fired, long-range ballistic missiles and laser-guided surface-to-surface missiles.

www.huffpost.com

redbeer:

The JCPOA did not stop Iran from building and testing short and medium-range missiles. The only thing it constrained was nuclear warhead capable, long-range and intercontinental ballistic missile development and testing. Iran was in full compliance with the terms of the JCPOA until President Trump withdrew from the agreement without just cause. America, not Iran, breached the accord.

The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) at a Glance | Arms Control Association

www.armscontrol.org

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[Questerr]

Iran being turned into sheet of glass by Israel doesn't bother me. But Iran obtaining a nuclear bomb and setting it off in Tel Aviv or New York City or Paris or London does.

DON'T LET IRAN GET NUKES!

Again, why would they? They have the capability to annihilate Israel right now and they haven’t done it. Perhaps they aren’t the suicidal madmen you claim they are.

And that reasoning also applies to “What if they give a nuke to terrorists?” They’ve had nerve agents since the 80’s. They’ve never given them to terrorists. Why would a nuke change that?

 

[redbeer]

Not exactly. Ballistic missiles are conventional weapons that Iran would use to defend itself sans any nuclear weapon capacity. Nothing in the article refers to Uranium enrichment, or bringing them any closer to nuclear weapons capability. Long before the multilateral nuclear agreement, Iran already had the largest ballistic missile numbers in the region. The periodic testing of those conventional weapons would still be a national defense issue.

From the article:



"But, the United Nations Security Council resolution (Paragraph 3 of Annex B of resolution 2231, 2015) is clear. The resolution “calls upon Iran not to undertake any activity related to ballistic missiles designed to be capable of delivering nuclear weapons, including launches using such ballistic missile technology.”
The second UN Security Council resolution 1929 indicates “Iran shall not undertake any activity related to ballistic missiles capable of delivering nuclear weapons, including launches using ballistic missile technology, and that States shall take all necessary measures to prevent the transfer of technology or technical assistance to Iran related to such activities”.

 

[eohrnberger]

Iran has been "a year from getting the bomb" for 30 years now. Longest year in history.

You doubt what the much lauded US intelligence services and anonymous intelligence officers have been stating?

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50 former intelligence officials warn NY Post story sounds ...​

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00:39 More than 50 former intelligence officials said emails alleged to have been found on a laptop belonging to Hunter Biden show signs of a Russian disinformation operation. Several of the...​

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More than 50 former intel officials signed a public letter ...​

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In the letter, first reported by Politico, more than 50 former intelligence officers said they believed the emails purportedly belonging to Biden, the son of the Democratic presidential nominee,...​

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Well, perhaps not so much.

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Senior Intelligence Official Confirms Ratcliffe Claim ...​

https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/...not-behind-biden-email-dump-trump-jr-responds​

Senior Intelligence Official Confirms Ratcliffe Claim Russia NOT Behind Biden Email Dump, Trump Jr. Responds. By Ryan Ledendecker Published October 19, 2020 at 8:23am Share on Facebook (4.6k) Tweet Share Share Email.​

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Seems at this juncture the US intelligence services have been thoroughly politicized and compromised, their words to not carrying much credibility until proven otherwise.

 

[lemmiwinx]

Again, why would they? They have the capability to annihilate Israel right now and they haven’t done it. Perhaps they aren’t the suicidal madmen you claim they are.

And that reasoning also applies to “What if they give a nuke to terrorists?” They’ve had nerve agents since the 80’s. They’ve never given them to terrorists. Why would a nuke change that?

You underestimate the power of a multi-megaton nuclear bomb versus nerve agents. The nerve agent sarin gas was used in a Tokyo subway attack in the the 90's and it killed only 13 people.

 

[Questerr]

From the article:



"But, the United Nations Security Council resolution (Paragraph 3 of Annex B of resolution 2231, 2015) is clear. The resolution “calls upon Iran not to undertake any activity related to ballistic missiles designed to be capable of delivering nuclear weapons, including launches using such ballistic missile technology.”
The second UN Security Council resolution 1929 indicates “Iran shall not undertake any activity related to ballistic missiles capable of delivering nuclear weapons, including launches using ballistic missile technology, and that States shall take all necessary measures to prevent the transfer of technology or technical assistance to Iran related to such activities”.

And to that all Iran has to say is “our ballistic missiles are not configured in such as a way as to be able to carry nuclear warheads”.

 

[Questerr]

Tokyo subway attack was carried out with Sarin in plastic baggies that the attackers pierced with knives. It can’t be compared to an attack using a dispersal warhead over a city.

 

[lemmiwinx]

Tokyo subway attack was carried out with Sarin in plastic baggies that the attackers pierced with knives. It can’t be compared to an attack using a dispersal warhead over a city.

Would be your preferred method? Still and all Iran is ended if they did something like that so there would be that to look forward to at least.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Since we opened our borders, why not?......let Iran have nukes, what the hell! Let's help in starting WWIII....so what if they blow Israel to Kingdom Come.......poor little Iran.

Yes, poor lil Israel using the biggest bully on the planet to help them with their apartheid state.

 

[Questerr]

So that would be your preferred method? Still and all Iran would ended so there would be that to look forward to at least.

No, that would be a method Iran could use at any time to annihilate Israel. Yet they haven’t done so.

If they are the suicidal fanatics you claim they are, willing to have their country annihilated just so they can kill some Jews, why haven’t they done so? They could launch such an attack tomorrow if they really wanted.

 

[eohrnberger]

The states of New Mexico, Arizona, and Texas would strongly disagree with you. The Iranian government was not following the rules of the agreement, hence the reason for rejecting and increasing stringent levies on the regime and greatly increased peace in the Middle East.

The Abraham accords are a step in the 'right' direction for a long lasting peaceful Middle East.
Too bad Biden seems to have the idea that dismantling these accords is a good idea.

https://spectator.org/biden-middle-east-peace/

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/biden-builds-back-obamas-middle-east/

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...-administrations-brilliant-policy-middle-east

https://spectator.org/biden-middle-east-peace-2/

 

[redbeer]

Why would Iran randomly decide to attack Israel?

Randomly???.....do a little research of Iran's threats to Israel before responding next time.

 

[HumblePi]

Since we opened our borders, why not?......let Iran have nukes, what the hell! Let's help in starting WWIII....so what if they blow Israel to Kingdom Come.......poor little Iran.

It's Israel and Saudi Arabia that has wanted to blow Iran to Kingdom Come. Israel and Iran have had a shadow war going on for many years, mainly by land and air and now by sea. Last month, Iran claimed there was a terrorist attack that caused an explosion aboard one of their cargo ship about 50 miles off the coast of Israel.

Israel has been attacking ships carrying Iranian oil and weapons through the eastern Mediterranean and Red Seas. Iran quietly responded with its own clandestine attacks. The latest came two weeks ago, when an Israeli-owned container ship, the Lori, was hit by an Iranian missile in the Arabian Sea. The Israeli campaign against Iranian vessels has been confirmed by American, Israeli and Iranian officials. Israel is bombing Iranian ships that are carrying oil to circumvent the sanctions that Trump imposed.

Iran is being starved by the sanctions and they're surrounded by their enemies, why would anyone even question why they want to develop nuclear bomb capabilities? The nuclear deal made in 2015 between the US and the JCPOA placed significant restrictions on Iran in exchange for sanctions relief. It was working until Trump gummed it all up.

 

[Questerr]

Randomly???.....do a little research of Iran's threats to Israel before responding next time.

Yes, randomly. Iran has the capability to launch a WMD attack on Israel that would annihilate Israel as a nation right now if they wanted. Yet they haven’t.

So them launching a WMD attack on Israel would be very random.

 

[mrjurrs]

If you ran Iran, surrounded by enemies backed by the US, seeing what happened to Saddam without nuclear weapons and North Korea with them, would you or would you not want to develop nuclear weapons as the only protection you have from your adversaries?

They say they don't, and they did agree to at least put a hold on it in the Obama agreement and might do that again, but the question is, would you want to? Is there any real justification to try to prevent them other than wanting to be able to attack them more easily? While we could say it reduces danger, we don't try to remove others' weapons, specifically Israel's, a country that has assassinated many scientists.

I could broaden the topic to things like how reasonable it is for Iran to want security guarantees - however that could be enforced - if they did give them up, or our broader policy that 'only people we say can get nuclear weapons or who we can't stop can get them', but I'm just addressing the idea that Iran's leaders are some evil monsters if they did want them. If you would in their shoes...

There are legitimate reasons not to want a nuclear Iran, but we're largely causing the problem with our aggressive policy to them whether the 1950's installation of a pro-US dictator or our 1980's support for Saddam's war on them that causes a million casualties or our current activities that have them surrounded by enemies (though we unintentionally converted Iraq to an ally).

Unfortunately if I led Iran I would be rushing towards nuclear capability in the most covert manner possible. Hardly anything in our history has shown the US to be a trusted treaty partner. It appears to me that our standard is 'if you have nuclear capability-we have way more, and if you might be thinking about going nuclear, you won't survive the journey'.

 

[redbeer]

And to that all Iran has to say is “our ballistic missiles are not configured in such as a way as to be able to carry nuclear warheads”.

They were making and launching ballistic missiles capable of nuclear warheads and were also enriching uranium to make nuclear warheads.....guilty on both counts.

 

[redbeer]

Yes, poor lil Israel using the biggest bully on the planet to help them with their apartheid state.

Thanks for letting us all know your thoughts.....telling.

 

[Questerr]

They were making and launching ballistic missiles capable of nuclear warheads and were also enriching uranium to make nuclear warheads.....guilty on both counts.

Where has it been shown their ballistic missiles are capable of carrying nuclear warheads?

And they started enriching uranium again when the Orange Moron pulled out of the deal.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Thanks for letting us all know your thoughts.....telling.

Yes! That was the intention with typing that out.

 

[redbeer]

The Abraham accords are a step in the 'right' direction for a long lasting peaceful Middle East.
Too bad Biden seems to have the idea that dismantling these accords is a good idea.

https://spectator.org/biden-middle-east-peace/

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/biden-builds-back-obamas-middle-east/

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...-administrations-brilliant-policy-middle-east

https://spectator.org/biden-middle-east-peace-2/

Yes, but for Biden and the left, it's everything contrary to Trump......he was gifted "Operation Warpspeed", a secure border, and historical inroads to peace in the MIddle East.....but he and the left will have nothing to do with any of it, because of their hatred of Trump and be damned to the consequences.