A sheriff, a felon and a conspiracy theorist walk into a hotel. They're there for the same conference.

[Safiel]

A sheriff, a felon and a conspiracy theorist walk into a hotel. They’re there for the same conference.

The Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association is urging lawmen to form posses, seize voting machines and investigate baseless claims of voter fraud.

www.nbcnews.com

This is a case where the loonies have positions that have real power and the potential to cause disenfranchisement and other trouble.

I have frequently spoken about the Constitutional Sheriff movement.

But we are reaching a point where States need to seriously consider reforms to defang rogue Sheriffs.

Interestingly, the most effective method, though highly counterintuitive, is to end the practice of electing law enforcement. Because there are so many small counties, you have 3,000+ potential nutjobs holding office in fiefdoms where they likely would face little real political opposition and whose departments are set up so that the county government has very little effective oversight of what a rogue Sheriff might be doing.

First of all, I would separate general county level law enforcement away from the Sheriff and place it with a county police department, headed by a Chief of Police appointed either by the county commission or by the elected county executive (if one exists), to serve at the pleasure of the respective appointing authority.

I would make Sheriffs "officers of the court" placing them within the judicial branch. Sheriffs would be appointed either directly by the courts or by the Marshal's of the Courts and would hold their office at the pleasure of their appointing authority. Sheriffs would have no general law enforcement functions, but would be able to arrest for crimes committed in their presence. They would serve process and arrest warrants, provide security and bailiff services for courts, transport prisoners and run the local jails.

The traditional Sheriff SHOULD be an officer of the court, rather than a separate local official, as his functions come under the direct purview of the courts.

At the same time, vesting general county law enforcement in an appointed Chief of Police provides accountability via the ability of the county government to directly oversee him and the accountability voters can provide if law enforcement misbehaves.

And it essentially eliminates the issue of "rogue" Sheriffs.

 

[Mycroft]

A sheriff, a felon and a conspiracy theorist walk into a hotel. They’re there for the same conference.

The Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association is urging lawmen to form posses, seize voting machines and investigate baseless claims of voter fraud.

www.nbcnews.com

This is a case where the loonies have positions that have real power and the potential to cause disenfranchisement and other trouble.

I have frequently spoken about the Constitutional Sheriff movement.

But we are reaching a point where States need to seriously consider reforms to defang rogue Sheriffs.

Interestingly, the most effective method, though highly counterintuitive, is to end the practice of electing law enforcement. Because there are so many small counties, you have 3,000+ potential nutjobs holding office in fiefdoms where they likely would face little real political opposition and whose departments are set up so that the county government has very little effective oversight of what a rogue Sheriff might be doing.

First of all, I would separate general county level law enforcement away from the Sheriff and place it with a county police department, headed by a Chief of Police appointed either by the county commission or by the elected county executive (if one exists), to serve at the pleasure of the respective appointing authority.

I would make Sheriffs "officers of the court" placing them within the judicial branch. Sheriffs would be appointed either directly by the courts or by the Marshal's of the Courts and would hold their office at the pleasure of their appointing authority. Sheriffs would have no general law enforcement functions, but would be able to arrest for crimes committed in their presence. They would serve process and arrest warrants, provide security and bailiff services for courts, transport prisoners and run the local jails.

The traditional Sheriff SHOULD be an officer of the court, rather than a separate local official, as his functions come under the direct purview of the courts.

At the same time, vesting general county law enforcement in an appointed Chief of Police provides accountability via the ability of the county government to directly oversee him and the accountability voters can provide if law enforcement misbehaves.

And it essentially eliminates the issue of "rogue" Sheriffs.

How about you save me the time I'll waste reading that article by answering one simple question?

Is there a quote of those people calling for investigations of "baseless" claims of voter fraud?

 

[Minerva]

In my home county we had a man running for sheriff that supported the "Sovereign Nation" concept.
I just wonder where they find these people, under a rock?

 

[samiam5211]

How about you save me the time I'll waste reading that article by answering one simple question?

Is there a quote of those people calling for investigations of "baseless" claims of voter fraud?

Anything that Rudy, the pillowman, or Trump has brought up is baseless. These guys are no doubt getting their info from the crack head pillow salesman and his band of cyber ninjas.

 

[Safiel]

How about you save me the time I'll waste reading that article by answering one simple question?

Is there a quote of those people calling for investigations of "baseless" claims of voter fraud?

Doesn't really matter, because that is NOT the point I am pursuing.

I am addressing the idea of rogue Sheriff's in general, not particular issues they are going rogue on.

But you really don't have to read the article gain any necessary context on the point I made in my OP.

 

[phoenix2020]

How about you save me the time I'll waste reading that article by answering one simple question?

Is there a quote of those people calling for investigations of "baseless" claims of voter fraud?

Speaking of baseless claims of massive electoral fraud in 2020, have you found that evidence that you claimed to have but have failed to provide for 4 years now? Until you do...

You are dismissed.

 

[Mycroft]

Doesn't really matter, because that is NOT the point I am pursuing.

I am addressing the idea of rogue Sheriff's in general, not particular issues they are going rogue on.

But you really don't have to read the article gain any necessary context on the point I made in my OP.

Oh. So the article you presented doesn't matter. Okay.

I have to wonder why you posted it, though. But never mind.

I don't share your opinion about County Sheriffs.

 

[Safiel]

Oh. So the article you presented doesn't matter. Okay.

I have to wonder why you posted it, though. But never mind.

I don't share your opinion about County Sheriffs.

It was merely an example of "Constitutional Sheriffs."

Opinions may differ, obviously, and there are many Sheriffs who stick to their jobs and don't accept the "Constitutional Sheriff" malarky, but there are a significant number that do and some (such as Arpaio) presided over huge counties.

We can reign in the rogue ones now and preemptively prevent any future rogues from gaining power.

 

[HIP56948]

Personally, there's a certain Sheriff in a part of Florida that is close to your description. Not Sarasota.
The one that thinks he/she is the Lord of their county is pretty disgusting. One thing for sure (From a reporter who is a son of a good friend..says) >>
"We kinda' laugh when he/she has their lights flashing and siren loud enough to crack a window IS NOT headed for a crime"
"He/she got word that the press and reporters are not too far away" "Talk about a media hound!"
"He/she comes screeching to a stop and flustered like the Empire State Building just fell down..

 

[JMB1911A1]

A sheriff, a felon and a conspiracy theorist walk into a hotel. They’re there for the same conference.

The Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association is urging lawmen to form posses, seize voting machines and investigate baseless claims of voter fraud.

www.nbcnews.com

This is a case where the loonies have positions that have real power and the potential to cause disenfranchisement and other trouble.

I have frequently spoken about the Constitutional Sheriff movement.

But we are reaching a point where States need to seriously consider reforms to defang rogue Sheriffs.

Interestingly, the most effective method, though highly counterintuitive, is to end the practice of electing law enforcement. Because there are so many small counties, you have 3,000+ potential nutjobs holding office in fiefdoms where they likely would face little real political opposition and whose departments are set up so that the county government has very little effective oversight of what a rogue Sheriff might be doing.

First of all, I would separate general county level law enforcement away from the Sheriff and place it with a county police department, headed by a Chief of Police appointed either by the county commission or by the elected county executive (if one exists), to serve at the pleasure of the respective appointing authority.

I would make Sheriffs "officers of the court" placing them within the judicial branch. Sheriffs would be appointed either directly by the courts or by the Marshal's of the Courts and would hold their office at the pleasure of their appointing authority. Sheriffs would have no general law enforcement functions, but would be able to arrest for crimes committed in their presence. They would serve process and arrest warrants, provide security and bailiff services for courts, transport prisoners and run the local jails.

The traditional Sheriff SHOULD be an officer of the court, rather than a separate local official, as his functions come under the direct purview of the courts.

At the same time, vesting general county law enforcement in an appointed Chief of Police provides accountability via the ability of the county government to directly oversee him and the accountability voters can provide if law enforcement misbehaves.

And it essentially eliminates the issue of "rogue" Sheriffs.

To summarize, you want to get rid of Sheriff's who are elected by their constituents and reflect the will of said constituents with a "Chief of Police" who is appointed and will reflect the will of the politicians who appointed them.

How about NO.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Doesn't really matter, because that is NOT the point I am pursuing.

I am addressing the idea of rogue Sheriff's in general, not particular issues they are going rogue on.

But you really don't have to read the article gain any necessary context on the point I made in my OP.

The fact that you think Sheriffs who have sworn to uphold the Constitution of the United States are "rogue Sheriffs" says all more about you than it does them.

 

[Safiel]

The fact that you think Sheriffs who have sworn to uphold the Constitution of the United States are "rogue Sheriffs" says all more about you than it does them.

Bull shit.

They say with their mouth that they are upholding the Constitution, when in reality, their intent is to SUBVERT the Constitution, particularly with the blatant lie that County Sheriffs are superior to Federal authorities in their counties. And their threats to interfere with elections in a manner contrary to law.

A Sheriff who actually SUPPORTS the Constitution shuts his mouth and restrains himself to ENFORCING THE LAW as written, not his conspiracy theory laden idea of what the law is supposed to be.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

A sheriff, a felon and a conspiracy theorist walk into a hotel. They’re there for the same conference.

The Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association is urging lawmen to form posses, seize voting machines and investigate baseless claims of voter fraud.

www.nbcnews.com

This is a case where the loonies have positions that have real power and the potential to cause disenfranchisement and other trouble.

I have frequently spoken about the Constitutional Sheriff movement.

But we are reaching a point where States need to seriously consider reforms to defang rogue Sheriffs.

Interestingly, the most effective method, though highly counterintuitive, is to end the practice of electing law enforcement. Because there are so many small counties, you have 3,000+ potential nutjobs holding office in fiefdoms where they likely would face little real political opposition and whose departments are set up so that the county government has very little effective oversight of what a rogue Sheriff might be doing.

First of all, I would separate general county level law enforcement away from the Sheriff and place it with a county police department, headed by a Chief of Police appointed either by the county commission or by the elected county executive (if one exists), to serve at the pleasure of the respective appointing authority.

I would make Sheriffs "officers of the court" placing them within the judicial branch. Sheriffs would be appointed either directly by the courts or by the Marshal's of the Courts and would hold their office at the pleasure of their appointing authority. Sheriffs would have no general law enforcement functions, but would be able to arrest for crimes committed in their presence. They would serve process and arrest warrants, provide security and bailiff services for courts, transport prisoners and run the local jails.

The traditional Sheriff SHOULD be an officer of the court, rather than a separate local official, as his functions come under the direct purview of the courts.

At the same time, vesting general county law enforcement in an appointed Chief of Police provides accountability via the ability of the county government to directly oversee him and the accountability voters can provide if law enforcement misbehaves.

And it essentially eliminates the issue of "rogue" Sheriffs.

They need a stern warning. If they touch those voting machines, they need to serve hard time. No pension, no benefits, no shield, no weapons, no right to vote for 3-5 years.

They ABSOLUTELY will not be allowed to interfere in any way shape or form.

Those sheriffs need to be removed from office.

 

[Jessie C]

A sheriff, a felon and a conspiracy theorist walk into a hotel. They’re there for the same conference.

The Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association is urging lawmen to form posses, seize voting machines and investigate baseless claims of voter fraud.

www.nbcnews.com

This is a case where the loonies have positions that have real power and the potential to cause disenfranchisement and other trouble.

I have frequently spoken about the Constitutional Sheriff movement.

But we are reaching a point where States need to seriously consider reforms to defang rogue Sheriffs.

Interestingly, the most effective method, though highly counterintuitive, is to end the practice of electing law enforcement. Because there are so many small counties, you have 3,000+ potential nutjobs holding office in fiefdoms where they likely would face little real political opposition and whose departments are set up so that the county government has very little effective oversight of what a rogue Sheriff might be doing.

First of all, I would separate general county level law enforcement away from the Sheriff and place it with a county police department, headed by a Chief of Police appointed either by the county commission or by the elected county executive (if one exists), to serve at the pleasure of the respective appointing authority.

I would make Sheriffs "officers of the court" placing them within the judicial branch. Sheriffs would be appointed either directly by the courts or by the Marshal's of the Courts and would hold their office at the pleasure of their appointing authority. Sheriffs would have no general law enforcement functions, but would be able to arrest for crimes committed in their presence. They would serve process and arrest warrants, provide security and bailiff services for courts, transport prisoners and run the local jails.

The traditional Sheriff SHOULD be an officer of the court, rather than a separate local official, as his functions come under the direct purview of the courts.

At the same time, vesting general county law enforcement in an appointed Chief of Police provides accountability via the ability of the county government to directly oversee him and the accountability voters can provide if law enforcement misbehaves.

And it essentially eliminates the issue of "rogue" Sheriffs.

Georgia is ATE UP with rogue Sheriffs, Victor Hill is one of the worst...in fact most of our former Sheriffs and mayors are behind bars themselves, it's laughable!

 

[JMB1911A1]

Bull shit.

They say with their mouth that they are upholding the Constitution, when in reality, their intent is to SUBVERT the Constitution, particularly with the blatant lie that County Sheriffs are superior to Federal authorities in their counties. And their threats to interfere with elections in a manner contrary to law.

A Sheriff who actually SUPPORTS the Constitution shuts his mouth and restrains himself to ENFORCING THE LAW as written, not his conspiracy theory laden idea of what the law is supposed to be.

Tenth Amendment​

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

 

[Ginger Ale]

Georgia is ATE UP with rogue Sheriffs, Victor Hill is one of the worst...in fact most of our former Sheriffs and mayors are behind bars themselves, it's laughable!

Oh gosh so true! Sheriffs seem to think they're above the law, and working in the old western times. lol

Remember Sherrif Joe? Ugh, that guy was a joke!
Oh and his posse', so stupid dangerous. So glad he's gone! I hated that guy.

With the latest payout, former Sheriff Joe Arpaio has cost Arizona taxpayers $100M​

PHOENIX — Nearly five years after Joe Arpaio was voted out as sheriff of Arizona's most populous county, taxpayers are covering one of the last major bills from the thousands of lawsuits the lawman's headline-grabbing tactics inspired — and the overall legal tab has hit $100 million.

Officials in Maricopa County, home to Phoenix, agreed last week to pay $3.1 million to cover the county's portion of a settlement with a restaurant owner who alleged Arpaio defamed him and violated his rights when raiding his businesses.

The payout boosted the cost stemming from Arpaio's six terms to $100 million for attorney fees, settlements and other costs the county has paid from lawsuits over things such as jail deaths, failed investigations of the sheriff's political enemies and immigration raids of businesses.

 

[Jessie C]

Oh gosh so true! Sheriffs seem to think they're above the law, and working in the old western times. lol

Remember Sherrif Joe? Ugh, that guy was a joke!
Oh and his posse', so stupid dangerous. So glad he's gone! I hated that guy.

With the latest payout, former Sheriff Joe Arpaio has cost Arizona taxpayers $100M​

PHOENIX — Nearly five years after Joe Arpaio was voted out as sheriff of Arizona's most populous county, taxpayers are covering one of the last major bills from the thousands of lawsuits the lawman's headline-grabbing tactics inspired — and the overall legal tab has hit $100 million.

Officials in Maricopa County, home to Phoenix, agreed last week to pay $3.1 million to cover the county's portion of a settlement with a restaurant owner who alleged Arpaio defamed him and violated his rights when raiding his businesses.

The payout boosted the cost stemming from Arpaio's six terms to $100 million for attorney fees, settlements and other costs the county has paid from lawsuits over things such as jail deaths, failed investigations of the sheriff's political enemies and immigration raids of businesses.

Omg, I almost forgot about him! YOU WIN the worst Sheriff ever award!

 

[ColdHardTruth]

Omg, I almost forgot about him! YOU WIN the worst Sheriff ever award!

Arizona should bill Arpaio.

 

[Ginger Ale]

Omg, I almost forgot about him! YOU WIN the worst Sheriff ever award!

AZ wins all the "worst" best awards. lol

 

[Jessie C]

AZ wins all the "worst" best awards. lol

That's too funny! I used to think the only time Atlanta made it to national news was when one of our illustious politicians, mayors, sheriffs or police chiefs went down in flames!

 

[Utility Man]

".....Ronald Colton McAbee, 30, was sentenced to five years and 10 months in federal prison, less than the 12 years and seven months in prison prosecutors recommended......"

Brass knuckle glove-wearing ex-sheriff's deputy sentenced for assaulting cops on Jan. 6

A former sheriff's deputy from Tennessee who wore reinforced knuckle gloves during the Capitol riots on Jan. 6 was sentenced to prison for assaulting officers.

lawandcrime.com

Something these folks need to remember......

......they can serve time just like any others committing crime.

 

[PoliSciPulse]

Tenth Amendment​

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Murder, rape, etc. are all not specifically mentioned in the Constitution. Does that mean the federal government should scrap all of its laws governing murder and rape?

 

[Bodecea]

Our county's sheriff's dept used to be featured on "On Patrol"...new sheriff dropped being on the show and wants to get rid of body cams.......anyone want to wonder why?

 

[RF667799]

A sheriff, a felon and a conspiracy theorist walk into a hotel. They’re there for the same conference.

The Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association is urging lawmen to form posses, seize voting machines and investigate baseless claims of voter fraud.

www.nbcnews.com

This is a case where the loonies have positions that have real power and the potential to cause disenfranchisement and other trouble.

I have frequently spoken about the Constitutional Sheriff movement.

But we are reaching a point where States need to seriously consider reforms to defang rogue Sheriffs.

Interestingly, the most effective method, though highly counterintuitive, is to end the practice of electing law enforcement. Because there are so many small counties, you have 3,000+ potential nutjobs holding office in fiefdoms where they likely would face little real political opposition and whose departments are set up so that the county government has very little effective oversight of what a rogue Sheriff might be doing.

First of all, I would separate general county level law enforcement away from the Sheriff and place it with a county police department, headed by a Chief of Police appointed either by the county commission or by the elected county executive (if one exists), to serve at the pleasure of the respective appointing authority.

I would make Sheriffs "officers of the court" placing them within the judicial branch. Sheriffs would be appointed either directly by the courts or by the Marshal's of the Courts and would hold their office at the pleasure of their appointing authority. Sheriffs would have no general law enforcement functions, but would be able to arrest for crimes committed in their presence. They would serve process and arrest warrants, provide security and bailiff services for courts, transport prisoners and run the local jails.

The traditional Sheriff SHOULD be an officer of the court, rather than a separate local official, as his functions come under the direct purview of the courts.

At the same time, vesting general county law enforcement in an appointed Chief of Police provides accountability via the ability of the county government to directly oversee him and the accountability voters can provide if law enforcement misbehaves.

And it essentially eliminates the issue of "rogue" Sheriffs.

The article noted there were few actual sheriffs there.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Murder, rape, etc. are all not specifically mentioned in the Constitution. Does that mean the federal government should scrap all of its laws governing murder and rape?

Generally murder, rape, etc are not prosecuted under Federal law unless there are some extenuating circumstances that give the Feds jurisdiction like crossing state lines, etc.