For some reason, people want to throw red herrings everywhere and avoid the real issue.
In some places, if you are going to be hired for any skilled labor, you HAVE to join a union. No ands, ifs, or buts, union membership is mandatory. Now, some would say "your crazy for not accepting it!", but, this cuts the fact that people do crazy things sometimes. Thing is, a worker should be mandated to join a union. Thats not freedom, thats just switching who owns you.
Certainly not according to NEA standards.Sure, let's say you have a right to say no. Would any teachers choose it? Willingly? I doubt it.
How do you assess a teacher's performance? Do you look at her student's grades? Do you look at her teaching style? Do you look at how much she's improved this year? or how much her student's improved this year?
How can you measure incompetence of the teacher? On what basis can you fire him/her?
these "unions" that brought all these benefits....which ones had mandatory membership?Did you mean 'shouldn't'?
As far as 'who' owns you a union keeps an employer from abusing you through unfair work hours, unfair labor practices, ignoring your rights as a worker, and motivates them to pay you a fair wage (approx. 30% more) with a fair benefits package. Those outside a union do not receive fair compensation nor fair representation.
Additionally people forget that without the unions we wouldn't have a 40 hour work week, days off, overtime pay, benefits etc...these benefits certainly didn't start because an employer thought we deserved them but because the unions fought for our rights.
these "unions" that brought all these benefits....which ones had mandatory membership?
I like unions. When I get a job, I plan to be in a union, but I will NOT be forced to do it though, or else I will move.
O RLY? Oh well, I don't have a job so, I guess I'll just move back to my home state of michigan after I graduate.Texas is a right to work State.
O RLY? Oh well, I don't have a job so, I guess I'll just move back to my home state of michigan after I graduate.
oh wait...I was going to do that anyway!
...I don't have a job so, I guess I'll just move back to my home state of michigan after I graduate.
You'll fit right in. :2razz:
With the Texas accent I picked up? Please, it'll take me at least a year to get rid of it.
No, I meant being Jobless in Michigan. :2razz:
With the Texas accent I picked up? Please, it'll take me at least a year to get rid of it.
I grew up here but lived in Brooklyn for a long time. It was a while before I started saying ya'll instead of you guys.
They probably helped them pack up the crates for shipment.Hmmm...
What effect have the unions had on the movement of manufacturing jobs overseas?
Or on the decline in competiveness of the US big 3 automakers?
Hmmm...
What effect have the unions had on the movement of manufacturing jobs overseas?
Or on the decline in competiveness of the US big 3 automakers?
I'm from Chi-town where we say "You's Guys"
In many places, such as school systems or places of higher education, if a union is in place, employees must join it, regardless as to the preference of the employee.
Do you have a right to NOT join a union?
Why/why not?
these "unions" that brought all these benefits....which ones had mandatory membership?
I like unions. When I get a job, I plan to be in a union, but I will NOT be forced to do it though, or else I will move.
Yeah, well, that doesn't make unions exclusively warriors for the good and the light.
Keep in mind, when the National Labor Relations Act was passed, section 8 listed unfair labor practices by companies. It was later amended, and that section 8 became section 8(a). Section 8(b) was added, listing unfair labor practices by unions. That list was much longer.
Did you mean 'shouldn't'?
As far as 'who' owns you a union keeps an employer from abusing you through unfair work hours, unfair labor practices, ignoring your rights as a worker, and motivates them to pay you a fair wage (approx. 30% more) with a fair benefits package. Those outside a union do not receive fair compensation nor fair representation.
Don't you mean the workers fought for their "rights".Additionally people forget that without the unions we wouldn't have a 40 hour work week, days off, overtime pay, benefits etc...these benefits certainly didn't start because an employer thought we deserved them but because the unions fought for our rights.
This is a misleading OP. Of course you have a right to NOT join a union. But, you do not have a right to force a company to hire you when you do not want to join the union that protects its employees. Many of your "inalienable" rights end when you go from private citizen to employee.
Fair compensation is whatever they will accept.
And if your employer is abusing you, quit. That makes it real easy not to have your "rights" violated by an employer. No union is needed for that.
Don't you mean the workers fought for their "rights".
Most jobs I've worked though haven't had 40 hr workweeks, set days off (or even guaranteed days off), overtime pay OR benefits.
Is this relevant?Don't I remember you stating your combined income was over 250K a year? Or am I thinking of someone else?
Fair compensation is whatever I feel is fair. If I don't feel it's fair, then I don't accept the job... or I accept it and continue looking for something better. Either way, I deserve what I accept.No I disagree. Fair compensation is not whatever a worker will accept, fair compensation is being compensated adequately, monetarily, for work performed.
Why shouldn't people be subjected to the threat of firing? Employees should KNOW full well they can and will be replaced if they don't perform up to the company's standards. Employers should fire anyone who doesn't perform up to their standards. Without threat of firing, why would anyone attempt to do a good job at all?Sometimes, oftentimes, workers are by circumstance placed in an unfavorable position and by necessity forced to accept a job where they are purposefully under payed, receive little to no benefits and are subjected to hostile work environments such as the threat of firing.
That would only be bad if an employee was forced to work somewhere. People are NOT forced to work for others, slavery was abolished. Employers should be perfectly free to fire anyone for any reason they wish.Such as in the state of Oregon an employer only has to give "reasonable" notice of overtime. According to the BOLI the definition of "reasonable" is left to the employer to define, no standard is applied, so "reasonable" notice amounts to showing up for work at the beginning of a shift and told you will work until the work is done and if an employee is unable to do so, even when notice of overtime is obviously not adequate, they can and are fired without recourse.
In other words if your employer wanted you to have a life they would issue you one.
So they keep them from having to think and act for themselves and take responsibility for their own choices by restricting the rights and choices of private business owners?In a perfect world, right?
I'm sorry but the world you live in must be very different from mine and those around me. People, real people with families, children, bills, expenses, utilities, mortgages, car payments, etc. are not always able to just quit. See, men and women must work and for whatever reason other employment may not and is not (unemployment is at what...7 1/2% right now?) readily available so I find your scenario unreasonable and naive, to say the least. Unions protect employees from having to "just quit" by empowering them and protecting them from unfair labor practices.
Exactly. The WORKERS fought for what they wanted.Unions are the workers.
These are short comings of the U.S. Department of Labor Employment Standards Administration. Unions are working to prevent these abuses and IMO every business, bar none, should be a union shop where the employee is protected from unfair labor practice and unfair compensation.
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