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A Question for the Skeptics...

Elora said:
It is God's promise, so you can count on it happening...

"God is not a mere man who tells lies,
Nor a son of man who changes his mind.
When he says something, will he not do it?
"When he speaks, will he not carry it out?" Numbers 23:19
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God is a fiction :). There is no extra biblical evidence for any human being ever having perfect genetics that allowed them to live forever and every reason to believe death is natural.
 
Elora said:
Would that not be more merciful than leaving them orphans?
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No you nor “the chosen people” deserve the right to slaughter them. Your entire premise is that they are evil too and deserve the same judgment which is why you believe guilt for the crimes of the father pass down to the children.
 
Elora said:
So, who do you suppose would raise these orphans?
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We have enough resources to raise them into our community but that is not your contention. Your contention is the children are guilty and deserving the same fate.
 
bomberfox said:
We have enough resources to raise them into our community.
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lol...so, why kill the unborn? Is that not the same argument for abortions...who will raise them?
 
Elora said:
Jesus’ disciples went from being fearful of death, to being willing to die for their belief that Jesus rose from the dead...if Jesus didn’t rise...what do you think changed their mind?
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Who said that the bible, which one of about 30 possible that you choose to believe in, is factual and objectively true?
 
AConcernedCitizen said:
For those who don't believe that Anakin was actually the child of prophecy, how do you explain why he had such a high midi-chlorian count?

Checkmate Trekkies.
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If the Jedis were so wise how did they not foresee Anakin becoming the most powerful Sith lord of his time?

I remain a Jedi agnostic!
 
Elora said:
lol...so, why kill the unborn? Is that not the same argument for abortions...who will raise them?
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Nope. The argument FOR abortions is that it provides the woman with a choice - after she has been raped, had sex with a relative, has a medical condition that endangers her own life and other reasons.

The book you say is the Word of God allows for abortions and the killing of infants, so why don't you. Of course, the difference between the Bible's abortions and our modern world's is that the woman had no word in the matter, as she was an inferior being.
Numbers 5:11-31, Deuteronomy 28:18,53, 2 Kings 8:12 &15:16, Isaiah 13:18, Hosea 9:10-16 & 13:16
 
Lycanthrope said:
If the Jedis were so wise how did they not foresee Anakin becoming the most powerful Sith lord of his time?

I remain a Jedi agnostic!
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They did foresee it.

"The Chosen One, the boy may be. Nevertheless, grave danger I fear in his training." -Grandmaster Yoda

Ironic that Yoda gave voice to his fear without seeing it for what it was. He, better than anyone, ought to have known that fear is the path to the dark side. Fear of what Anakin might become is ultimately what led to the downfall of the Jedi council.

Only after it was too late did Yoda see that the council had lost its way. After Ahsoka became disillusioned and left the Jedi order to follow the true Jedi path, led not by a council of politicized 'masters' but by the Living Force itself. Just as other true practitioners such as Masters Qui-Gon Jinn and Eno Cordova had before her.
 
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AConcernedCitizen said:
They did foresee it.

"The Chosen One, the boy may be. Nevertheless, grave danger I fear in his training." -Grandmaster Yoda

Ironic that Yoda gave voice to his fear without seeing it for what it was. He, better than anyone, ought to have known that fear is the path to the dark side. Fear of what Anakin might become is ultimately what led to the downfall of the Jedi council.

Only after it was too late did Yoda see that the council had lost its way. After Ashoka became disillusioned and left the Jedi order to follow the true Jedi path, led not by a council of politicized 'masters' but by the Living Force itself. Just as other true practitioners such as Masters Qui-Gon Jinn and Eno Cordova had before her.
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Thank you, just underscores the point. :)
 
Lycanthrope said:
Thank you, just underscores the point. :)
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The fallible nature of the Jedi council, or of any individual practitioners for that matter, does not diminish the value of living in harmony with the Living Force. It is a cautionary tale that even the wise can be led astray from the Path. It does not invalidate the value of the Path itself.
 
AConcernedCitizen said:
The fallible nature of the Jedi council, or of any individual practitioners for that matter, does not diminish the value of living in harmony with the Living Force. It is a cautionary tale that even the wise can be led astray from the Path. It does not invalidate the value of the Path itself.
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Oh but good sir, what is the power and truth of the Force within sentient beings if they have not the discernment or wisdom to employ it to its full end?

No, the Force may be something of itself, but I remain Jedi agnostic since it's clear: lacking, they are.
 
Lycanthrope said:
Oh but good sir, what is the power and truth of the Force within sentient beings if they have not the discernment or wisdom to employ it to its full end?

No, the Force may be something of itself, but I remain Jedi agnostic since it's clear: lacking, they are.
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Jedi Master Fay had the wisdom and discernment. As did Ahsoka. That some might not have wisdom and discernment is no reason not to strive to be one who does.
 
Elora said:
Nah, just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of the "God's a genocidal maniac" whiners...
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Its whataboutism plain and simple. Coward’s way out. You dont have the right to make someone use their body to prolong the life of an undeveloped fetus.

Ive got you on record directly approving genocide though. You will have to live with that and im not letting you run from it.
 
bomberfox said:
You dont have the right to make someone use your body to prolong the life of an undeveloped fetus.
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Uh huh...but the Creator/giver of life has no right to take back what He has given...got it...:rolleyes:
 
Elora said:
Uh huh...but the Creator/giver of life has no right to take back what He has given...got it...:rolleyes:
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Nope. He doesnt nonexistent beings dont have rights. Nice dodge though. (PS god approves of inducing miscarriages as a loyalty test to the husband)
 
bomberfox said:
Ive got you on record directly approving genocide though. You will have to live with that and im not letting you run from it.
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And I'm not running from anything...if destroying the wicked will bring about paradisiac conditions on the earth for the rest of us who are willing and eager to live under God's rule, then so be it...
 
bomberfox said:
Nope. He doesnt nonexistent beings dont have rights. Nice dodge though. (PS god approves of inducing miscarriages as a loyalty test to the husband)
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BS, it had nothing to do with pregnancy and everything to do with adultery...lol...then you're all steamed up over nothin'...got it...
 
Elora said:
BS, it had nothing to do with pregnancy and everything to do with adultery...lol...then you're all steamed up over nothin'...got it...
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Its still inducing a miscarriage. Notice i said it was about fealty to the husband. Dont run away from your approval of genocide by “the chosen people” though. You pull this practically every time.
 
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