A question for the folks who don't want to get the covid vaccine.

[Paradoxical]

Your evidence is still lacking. There is no direct connection expected between mask mandates and number of cases per state. Reality is much more complex than that. Your repeated strawman about masks is tiresome. No one ever said masks alone would stop the spread. No one. They are a part of other behavior, that if followed, would help mitigate the spread. And these measures have factually helped to mitigate the spread pf the virus. It is incidents when people ignore these things and come in close contact that caused the spread, no matter what mandate a state may have or not. The initial infection rate came quickly before mitigating behavior was even put in place. And then there are the virus variants that spread more quickly. Reality is much more complex than your simple repetition of "mask do not work" ad nauseum.

So, still no proof?

 

[Paradoxical]

No, you made the claim "ZERO proof that masks do anything".

Please fail again. It is fun to watch.

Sorry. Not biting into your burden shifting sandwich. I don’t have to prove Scientology or pixies are false either.

 

[Fledermaus]

Sorry. Not biting into your burden shifting sandwich. I don’t have to prove Scientology or pixies are false either.

You made the claim "ZERO proof that masks do anything".

You.

Not me.

Burden of proof goes to the person making the claim.

That would be you.

 

[Metric Mouse]

There are tens of thousands unwanted children languishing in institutions all over America. Many of them develop serious psychological and behavioural problems because they didn't have the benefit of being nurtured, loved and socialised by their parents.

Data and Statistics on Children's Mental Health | CDC

Read data highlights about children's mental health.

www.cdc.gov

How orphanages harm children - Hope and Homes for Children

Orphanages don't help children, they harm them. Find out the different ways that orphanages cause harm to children.

www.hopeandhomes.org

Who would voluntarily put a child through that?

There's something like 30 families waiting to adopt for each infant put up for adoption in the United States.

These babies would not be unloved.

 

[Paradoxical]

You made the claim "ZERO proof that masks do anything".

You.

Not me.

Burden of proof goes to the person making the claim.

That would be you.

Good try. You made the affirmative claim.

 

[Ethel2]

I just got my full round of moderna.

Nice work!
You did the right thing.

 

[Fledermaus]

Good try. You made the affirmative claim.

Fail on your behalf.

You made the claim "ZERO proof that masks do anything".

 

[gbg3]

Nope. VAERS data is VAERS data regardless of the messenger. The odd thing though is whether it makes sense to plant the seed of doubt with data he admittedly stated wasn't conclusive regarding the deaths cited in VAERS.

We just need the info. Each person hearing the actual info can decide for themselves whether or not the data represents a seed of doubt for them. Tucker was clear that the data was not conclusive and I'm a logical enough person to understand that the CDC would have no way of knowing yet whether or not the data is inconclusive. Time and experience will answer that question.
Masks are an excellent example. The CDC has bounced all around on their best guesses.

 

[gbg3]

I am of the opinion that Carlson is doing these regular spiels aimed at sowing doubt about the vaccines to undermine the Biden Administration's success in getting this virus under control. He is doing everything in his power so that Biden's stated goals aren't reached. The thought of Biden getting credit and keeping his approval ratings up there is bothers him more than the health of the nation. That is how sick this puppy is.

Oh how I love responding to a comment exactly like this one - a WIDE open door!!!!!
"Biden's state goals" seem to have become the politically based mission, whether or not they even make sense. Nothing science or the CDC has produced has been convincing that vaccinating teens or vaccinating people with antibodies makes any sense whatsoever. If you think it does, why specifically?
"Biden getting credit and keeping his approval ratings up" now seems to be the COVID political mission and the reason for all decisions about young people, even if those decisions could be dangerous or completely unnecessary/unwarranted.

 

[gbg3]

IF people have had the vaccine, then why are they still worrying about potential asymptomatic people who may or may not be correctly wearing a paper or cloth mask?

Do you worry about other drivers who aren't wearing THEIR seat belts? Why not just worry about our own "seat belts"?

Just sayin'!

Exactly!

 

[gbg3]

Its pretty clear how many deaths the mRNA vaccines have caused to date.

ZERO

Only the covidiots who live in a different reality think differently.
If you have a single shred of evidence that deaths have been attributed to these vaccines as reported in a REPUTABLE medical journal (no, Carlson the Buffoon isn't a reputable source) then now is the time to present it. Otherwise I will consider your opinion as without value.

Please provide sources for your claim of "zero".

 

[Ethel2]

Please provide sources for your claim of "zero".

Fair question. This is from the CDC website:

“ Over 245 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through May 3, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 4,178 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.”

Here is the relevant sentence:

“ A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines.”

Don’t bother telling me that the CDC is somehow unreliable or that deaths are being missed. This is the BEST AND MOST ACCURATE information we have right now.
I said that the number of death attributable to the mRNA vaccines is

ZERO

There have been deaths (rarely) that may well be attributable to the J&J vaccine due to clotting. That investigation is pending.

Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination

Rare instances of adverse events following COVID-19 vaccinations have been reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.

www.cdc.gov

 

[vesper]

I have a suggestion, if you want to get the vaccine as I did then you have protected yourself the best you can and it is time to move on with life without your face diaper.
There are a number of reasons why people are weary about getting the vaccination who are not anti-vaxers. One group is those who have already had the virus and there is a growing number of people who have had the virus and get the vaccine end up very ill, hospitalized or worse death. Then there have been problems reported of deadly blood clots from the J&J vaccine. They pulled it for a time and then continued to give it and this week a 30 something female with 4 children died just days after getting the J&J vaccine of a blood clot. I do not think these people who are holding off should be ridiculed. After all it is their body. As I stated in another thread, what should be occurring is anyone who has had the virus have their T-cell count tested for their current natural immunity their body has created. Until that natural immunity begins to wane, there is no need for them to get the vaccine at this time. So how about we stop the fearmongering porn and work toward getting back to normal and above all else stop abusing our children with this fearmongering. Please just stop! Protect yourself and move on.

 

[Ethel2]

I have a suggestion, if you want to get the vaccine as I did then you have protected yourself the best you can and it is time to move on with life without your face diaper.
There are a number of reasons why people are weary about getting the vaccination who are not anti-vaxers. One group is those who have already had the virus and there is a growing number of people who have had the virus and get the vaccine end up very ill, hospitalized or worse death. Then there have been problems reported of deadly blood clots from the J&J vaccine. They pulled it for a time and then continued to give it and this week a 30 something female with 4 children died just days after getting the J&J vaccine of a blood clot. I do not think these people who are holding off should be ridiculed. After all it is their body. As I stated in another thread, what should be occurring is anyone who has had the virus have their T-cell count tested for their current natural immunity their body has created. Until that natural immunity begins to wane, there is no need for them to get the vaccine at this time. So how about we stop the fearmongering porn and work toward getting back to normal and above all else stop abusing our children with this fearmongering. Please just stop! Protect yourself and move on.

I think that the CDC in the upcoming weeks is going to modify their mask recommendations as new data about transmission in vaccinated people becomes available.
I also look forward to burning my masks when its safe to do so.

 

[gbg3]

I have a suggestion, if you want to get the vaccine as I did then you have protected yourself the best you can and it is time to move on with life without your face diaper.
There are a number of reasons why people are weary about getting the vaccination who are not anti-vaxers. One group is those who have already had the virus and there is a growing number of people who have had the virus and get the vaccine end up very ill, hospitalized or worse death. Then there have been problems reported of deadly blood clots from the J&J vaccine. They pulled it for a time and then continued to give it and this week a 30 something female with 4 children died just days after getting the J&J vaccine of a blood clot. I do not think these people who are holding off should be ridiculed. After all it is their body. As I stated in another thread, what should be occurring is anyone who has had the virus have their T-cell count tested for their current natural immunity their body has created. Until that natural immunity begins to wane, there is no need for them to get the vaccine at this time. So how about we stop the fearmongering porn and work toward getting back to normal and above all else stop abusing our children with this fearmongering. Please just stop! Protect yourself and move on.

Such a common sense comment IMO.

 

[vesper]

Such a common sense comment IMO.

Thank you gbg3.

 

[snakestretcher]

There's something like 30 families waiting to adopt for each infant put up for adoption in the United States.

These babies would not be unloved.

Babies, yes. Older children and teens much less so; and they're the ones who get left behind and end up on the street when they reach 'adulthood'.

 

[Callen]

Oh how I love responding to a comment exactly like this one - a WIDE open door!!!!!
"Biden's state goals" seem to have become the politically based mission, whether or not they even make sense. Nothing science or the CDC has produced has been convincing that vaccinating teens or vaccinating people with antibodies makes any sense whatsoever. If you think it does, why specifically?
"Biden getting credit and keeping his approval ratings up" now seems to be the COVID political mission and the reason for all decisions about young people, even if those decisions could be dangerous or completely unnecessary/unwarranted.

Well this post certainly proves my point that "Carlson is doing these regular spiels aimed at sowing doubt about the vaccines to undermine the Biden Administration's success in getting this virus under control". Not only does it prove my point but it seems to be working. How the RW media has politicized Covid is truly sickening.

The data shows the vaccines are safe for teens. Teens are contracting the variant virus at a higher rate and getting sicker including hospitalization. I am not going to bother tracking down the specific numbers given hard data doesn't seem to matter. If it did you wouldn't be saying the vaccine " could be dangerous or completely unnecessary/unwarranted" without any data to suggest such a thing.

Everyone wants kids back in school and back in sports without restrictions, masks etc. The vaccine is the only way we get there.

 

[minnie616]

There's something like 30 families waiting to adopt for each infant put up for adoption in the United States.

These babies would not be unloved.

What about all the adoptable children who are not infants?

They would love to be adopted and have a forever family.

Only about 1 percent of US women choose to give their newborn up for adoption.

 

[Paradoxical]

Fail on your behalf.

You made the claim "ZERO proof that masks do anything".

A right-wing LIBERTARIAN telling everyone that masks"work" with zero proof, thereby encouraging a totalitarian country? Seriously?

Do some here think Libertarian means Liberal?

 

[Fledermaus]

A right-wing LIBERTARIAN telling everyone that masks"work" with zero proof, thereby encouraging a totalitarian country? Seriously?

Do some here think Libertarian means Liberal?

The Right Wing Libertarian isn't the one saying masks help prevent infection.

And the statement "with zero proof" is a lie.

But this Right Wing Libertarian can read and comprehend the guidelines put forth by the medical community.

And "totalitarian country" because you are required to wear a tiny bit of fabric /cloth over your nose/mouth?

Really?

You made the claim "ZERO proof that masks do anything".

Got anything approaching support for your claim?

 

[snakestretcher]

A right-wing LIBERTARIAN telling everyone that masks"work" with zero proof, thereby encouraging a totalitarian country? Seriously?

Do some here think Libertarian means Liberal?

What is this 'totalitarian country' garbage? Are you that scared of a tiny piece of cloth that you think your 'freedom' is somehow compromised? I've met some snowflakes in my time, but...
And don't give us any more of your demands for scientific proof that masks work. There's no proof of gravity either, but we're not floating off into space.

 

[Paradoxical]

What is this 'totalitarian country' garbage? Are you that scared of a tiny piece of cloth that you think your 'freedom' is somehow compromised? I've met some snowflakes in my time, but...
And don't give us any more of your demands for scientific proof that masks work. There's no proof of gravity either, but we're not floating off into space.

Let me translate your post as a demonstration of how the left-wing stole the tactics of Christians. \

What is this 'Christian country' garbage? Are you that scared of a loving God or prayer that you think your 'freedom' ....to SIN is somehow compromised? I've met some nonbelievers in my time, but...
And don't give us any more of your demands for scientific proof that God and prayer work. There's no proof of gravity either, but we're not floating off into space.

 

[Fledermaus]

Let me translate your post as a demonstration of how the left-wing stole the tactics of Christians. \

What is this 'Christian country' garbage? Are you that scared of a loving God or prayer that you think your 'freedom' ....to SIN is somehow compromised? I've met some nonbelievers in my time, but...
And don't give us any more of your demands for scientific proof that God and prayer work. There's no proof of gravity either, but we're not floating off into space.

Holy non sequitur Batman!

 

[snakestretcher]

Let me translate your post as a demonstration of how the left-wing stole the tactics of Christians. \

What is this 'Christian country' garbage? Are you that scared of a loving God or prayer that you think your 'freedom' ....to SIN is somehow compromised? I've met some nonbelievers in my time, but...
And don't give us any more of your demands for scientific proof that God and prayer work. There's no proof of gravity either, but we're not floating off into space.

Wtf? Your 'posts' are becoming more bizarre and unhinged by the day-especially when you can't think of a coherent response, and we see stupid rants like this ^