A question for Catholics

[Logicman]

If you want to believe that a human died, then three days later came back to life with superhuman strength, that's up to you. I'm amazed to expect nonbelievers to just believe in your supernatural entity. If a bunch of people today claimed they'd seen a person come back to life with superhuman strength, would you believe it? If so, why?

Neither history or science supports your belief that God and the supernatural do not and cannot exist.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

Neither history or science supports your belief that God and the supernatural do not and cannot exist.

Science has not proven the existence of any God.
"Science doesn't have the processes to prove or disprove the existence of God. Science studies and attempts to explain only the natural world while God, in most religions, is supernatural."

Neither history or science supports your belief that God and the supernatural do not and cannot exist.

Please point out where I've said God cannot exist. I'll wait.

 

[JRTurner]

I would try to talk him out of that situation, reminding him of his marriage (and all the hurt it will cause everyone involved, including him).
If he's a Christian, for him to ask God's forgiveness, and repent.

What if he isn't Christian? Would you still be friends with him--or would you turn your back on him?

To not say anything - especially to a brother (fellow-Christian) - would be like me watching someone walking off a cliff, without doing anything to help that person.
That wouldn't be love.
That would be, indifference.

Of course! But once you have--and say he's not a Christian--would you refuse him your friendship? Would you refuse him your love?

 

[Crakhobarbie]

You're far too defensive to understand the sincerity I'm exhibiting.

Bingo..

 

[Gordy327]

Neither history or science supports your belief that God and the supernatural do not and cannot exist.

Neither do they support your belief God does exist. And science doesn't simply assume something exists without evidence.

 

[tosca1]

Oh? So you've had a spiritual encounter that has convinced you that a man died, then came back to life three days later with superhuman strength. Like I said before, I don't care what you want to believe. Just don't try to turn your religions dogma into laws that affect nonbelievers.

Lol - the same can be said to non-believers! Don't push immorality and murder (abortion), on those who believe those are sins.
But that's just natural, isn't it? Of course, we want laws that are compatible with our values.

Your beef is with the democratic system.

 

[JRTurner]

"Nearly 80 percent of the men who molested little boys were heterosexual or bisexual and most of these men were married and had children of their own."

https://www.zeroabuseproject.org/victim-assistance/jwrc/keep-kids-safe/sexuality-of-offenders/

"96 percent of people who sexually abuse children are male, 76 percent are married menix, and 76.8 percent of people who sexually abuse children are adultsx ."

https://www.ywca.org/wp-content/uploads/WWV-CSA-Fact-Sheet-Final.pdf

Feel free to add to this list, if you want to.

 

[JRTurner]

Lol - the same can be said to non-believers! Don't push immorality and murder (abortion), on those who believe those are sins.
But that's just natural, isn't it? Of course, we want laws that are compatible with our values.

Your beef is with the democratic system.

As in the constitution?

 

[Crakhobarbie]

Lol - the same can be said to non-believers! Don't push immorality and murder (abortion), on those who believe those are sins.
But that's just natural, isn't it? Of course, we want laws that are compatible with our values.

Your beef is with the democratic system.

Well, that's why we're here, huh?

 

[tosca1]

Dude--this was in regards to people advocating that man's LAWS be changed to allow child-brides. In MOST cases, pedophiles do not use their religion as a legal tenet to work-around child marriage laws. However, cults and some very out-there faiths have. No need to get hostile.

Still the same thing.

Pedophiles that have an authority over his/her victim, will use that authority over his/her victim. They will use any tools that they can to change the system. It's not exclusive to religion.
That's just the way it is.




Lol - of course, they'd want their rights too - much the same like gays and women got theirs!
THEY WILL KEEP TRYING!
The can of worms had been opened!



The age of consent to partake in anal sex for unmarried couples — regardless of sexual orientation — is currently 18.

That will be lowered to 16, if the proposed Liberal bill passes, removing the section of the Criminal Code that specifically sets rules for anal intercourse.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/faq-age-of-consent-law-canada-1.3851507

Eventually, they'd have their right too, IF nothing changes with the current mindset of society.

 

[tosca1]

Well, that's why we're here, huh?

EH?

What's being here got to do with what I said?

Let me ask you: how does demcracy works when it comes to electing a leader/platform?

 

[tosca1]

Who said it wasn't? I certainly never did.

I just asked you what the bible says about personal behavior--not the behavior of others.

Why did you refuse to answer the question twice? Do I need to post it a 3rd time? I've answered all yours.

I'm "others" to you.
So - why are you asking me? Poking at my "behaviour?"

 

[Crakhobarbie]

EH?

What's being here got to do with what I said?

You believe the left is immoral and, you believe we advocate murder. You attempt to prove this through your religious dogma. Nonbelievers do not care about your dogma and do not want laws that celebrate your dogma. Which leads me to the original topic of this thread:"How do you justify calling gays an abomination, when you still support a cult who's clergy are known homosexual pedophiles and have tortured and murdered folks (people who were actually born)with impunity for centuries..

 

[JRTurner]

Still the same thing.

Pedophiles that have an authority over his/her victim, will use that authority over his/her victim. They will use any tools that they can to change the system. It's not exclusive to religion.
That's just the way it is.




Lol - of course, they'd want their rights too - much the same like gays and women got theirs!
THEY WILL KEEP TRYING!
The can of worms had been opened!



The age of consent to partake in anal sex for unmarried couples — regardless of sexual orientation — is currently 18.

That will be lowered to 16, if the proposed Liberal bill passes, removing the section of the Criminal Code that specifically sets rules for anal intercourse.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/faq-age-of-consent-law-canada-1.3851507

Eventually, they'd have their right too, IF nothing changes with the current mindset of society.

Oh for Pete's sake!!

You need to re-read what I wrote because this response borders on being willfully obtuse to make a point about a statement I never made. Sheesh!

RELIGIONS THAT WANT TO CHANGE THE LEGAL AGE OF MARRIAGE IN THE UNITED STATES SO THEY CAN HAVE CHILD BRIDES IS NOT THE ACTIVITY OF MOST PEDOPHILES!

 

[JRTurner]

I'm "others" to you.
So - why are you asking me? Poking at my "behaviour?"

Geez--you have a one track mind.

Seriously--you are not a VICTIM if I ask you how you're supposed to behave toward sinners. If I ask you to describe what the bible says about how YOU are supposed to treat sinners--THAT IS A QUESTION--NOT AN ACCUSATION!

You are beginning to sound like a nutcase. I will place you on ignore shortly if you continue to make this exchange about YOU and not the bible or God. I could give two wits what you think about me--I never asked you to characterize my posts--I asked you to ANSWER my questions with the same RESPECT that I have answered yours.

God is watching you--right now.

 

[Dragonfly]

Oh for Pete's sake!!

You are wasting your time. Unless you find this discussion with her to be entertaining.
If so, carry on.

Otherwise you're "tilting at windmills" of the most willfully ignorant kind.

 

[Dragonfly]

You are beginning to sound like a nutcase.

Now you're getting it.

Only it's been about 10 years since the "beginning".

 

[JRTurner]

Now you're getting it.

Only it's been about 10 years since the "beginning".

Is it just me--or have asking questions suddenly become an attack? I blame Fox News--they tend to 'pose questions' to make an ugly false point that attacks minorities and others. Now any time a person asks a question--people start attacking out of some perverse sense of defensiveness.

We're getting to the point where if I ask, "Do you have blue eyes?"
They'll answer, "Why? Because if they're brown you're going to say I'm full of sh*t?"

HUH???????? I think I'm going to get good use out of my ignore button before long!

 

[Gordy327]

Lol - the same can be said to non-believers! Don't push immorality and murder (abortion), on those who believe those are sins.

Is anyone forcing you or anyone else to have an abortion? If not, then you have no cause for complaint.

But that's just natural, isn't it? Of course, we want laws that are compatible with our values.

Laws cannot be based on religion per the constitution. Neither is anyone required to share your values.

 

[Dragonfly]

Is it just me--or have asking questions suddenly become an attack? I blame Fox News--they tend to 'pose questions' to make an ugly false point that attacks minorities and others. Now any time a person asks a question--people start attacking out of some perverse sense of defensiveness.

We're getting to the point where if I ask, "Do you have blue eyes?"
They'll answer, "Why? Because if they're brown you're going to say I'm full of sh*t?"

HUH???????? I think I'm going to get good use out of my ignore button before long!

Her posting style is so juvenilely insane that most folks here refuse to interact with her.
She's been told about it repeatedly, but just ignores it and carries on with glee.

She's also been told how her nonsense is extremely damaging to Christianity as a whole, but she ignores that as well.

Lost cause in every way.

 

[tosca1]

That's because you aren't reading me as if I'm a Christian woman having a conversation with you. You're far too defensive to understand the sincerity I'm exhibiting.

For instance, condemning MAPS as a pedophile group and not some enlightened group of individuals who think children are sexualized individuals with the maturity to engage in a romantic relationship with adults--that ideology is most definitely condemnable.

I'm not exactly sure why you've found that so enraging?

If you haven't noticed - I too, am not talking about any particular gay person. I'm talking about the sexual act.

AND YET - UNLIKE YOU - I HAVE NOT CONDEMNED ANYONE or any collective groups in particular (in my case, gays and lesbians).
What I've done is simply repeat what is written regarding homosexual acts.

Though we can point out what is considered sin in the Bible (by referring to the BIBLE - which is the AUTHORITY on such matters, after all it's the Word of God) -
any condemnation however, is left to God.

Only God knows who'll end up in the lake of fire.



You're confusing being judgmental, to the judgment we exercise when we discern right from wrong.




I'm not enraged.
I'm just amused actually how you're "handling" me and others who have been pointing to what's written in the Scriptures.

For some reason - you don't like our response to the OP's query.
You made an indirect critic of my behaviour (and others, I presume) in this thread because you don't like the way we answered.
Your response to mine are personal in nature since you allude to my behaviour (which is contradictory to what you've been preaching).



That's my point.
You don't see that you're doing the very thing you're alluding to me. You're doing it blatantly.

 

[tosca1]

Geez--you have a one track mind.

Uh - are we starting to throw insults now?

 

[tosca1]

Geez--you have a one track mind.

Seriously--you are not a VICTIM if I ask you how you're supposed to behave toward sinners. If I ask you to describe what the bible says about how YOU are supposed to treat sinners--THAT IS A QUESTION--NOT AN ACCUSATION!

I have been throwing Bible quotes left and right , front and center practically in every thread.
Surely, I do know how we're supposed to treat sinners.

Will you explain why you feel you had to ask me that question?

 

[JRTurner]

If you haven't noticed - I too, am not talking about any particular gay person. I'm talking about the sexual act.

AND YET - UNLIKE YOU - I HAVE NOT CONDEMNED ANYONE or any collective groups in particular (in my case, gays and lesbians).
What I've done is simply repeat what is written regarding homosexual acts.

Though we can point out what is considered sin in the Bible (by referring to the BIBLE - which is the AUTHORITY on such matters, after all it's the Word of God) -
any condemnation however, is left to God.

Only God knows who'll end up in the lake of fire.



You're confusing being judgmental, to the judgment we exercise when we discern right from wrong.




I'm not enraged.
I'm just amused actually how you're "handling" me and others who have been pointing to what's written in the Scriptures.

For some reason - you don't like our response to the OP's query.
You made an indirect critic of my behaviour (and others, I presume) in this thread because you don't like the way we answered.
Your response to mine are personal in nature since you allude to my behaviour (which is contradictory to what you've been preaching).



That's my point.
You don't see that you're doing the very thing you're alluding to me. You're doing it blatantly.

Oh, I didn't say I was perfect. I condemn the KKK, I condemn Nazis, I condemn Genocide. I condemn any GROUP or PERSON that advocates raping children. I am most definitely a sinner, just like the bible says I am.

As to the rest: You must have blue eyes.

 

[tosca1]

Oh, I didn't say I was perfect.

Did I ever say I was?