A question for Catholics

[nota bene]

For instance if a neighbor did something sinful like committing adultery with a porn star and paying for her silence, a real Christian wouldn’t encourage such behavior by electing such neighbor to high office, yes?

Are you familiar with the "No true Scotsman" fallacy?

 

[Questerr]

Are you familiar with the "No true Scotsman" fallacy?

I’m familiar with Logicman claiming he’s a true Christian and that Christians who don’t follow his very narrow literalist view are false Christians.

 

[nota bene]

Another sad truth is that organizations whose stated goal is to provide moral guidance are run by those who cover up and deny the immoral behavior of the very representatives of those organizations and only finally do something to correct the problem when this immoral behavior is made public. So it isn’t simply a matter of bad apples or individual behavior but organizational behavior to not correct the problems when found internally that they were very aware of.

So your claim that is that nothing has been done? And by the way, could you please identify at least by decade(s) any investigations with which you're familiar? Maybe who the investigators/advisors were and what decisions they actually rendered?

 

[nota bene]

I’m familiar with Logicman claiming he’s a true Christian and that Christians who don’t follow his very narrow literalist view are false Christians.

I hope you're also familiar with what you've just posted above asking whether a "true Christian" would vote for Trump.

Pssst. It's the "No true Scotsman" fallacy.

 

[Questerr]

I hope you're also familiar with what you've just posted above asking whether a "true Christian" would vote for Trump.

Pssst. It's the "No true Scotsman" fallacy.

Nope, it points out Logicman’s blatant hypocrisy. He’s supposedly against “liberal immorality” yet he supports a man who is anything but a moral example.

 

[butterfly]

A "loving relationship"? Not in God's eyes. For the record,

"Love does not rejoice in iniquity" (sin) - 1 Corinthians 13

And,

"Love does no harm to a neighbor" - Romans 13:10 (Love does no harm to a neighbor, like enticing one's neighbor into a sinful, sodomy relationship for which there are negative temporal and eternal consequences)

So if a gay woman, let's say, believes in Jesus as her Lord and Savior, would she not be saved? It seems pretty obvious to me that she would.

 

[nota bene]

Nope, it points out Logicman’s blatant hypocrisy. He’s supposedly against “liberal immorality” yet he supports a man who is anything but a moral example.

Trump is no example to follow. There are, of course, people of faith who don't vote at all, but for those of us who always vote--and I mean every local, county, and state election voters--the sad fact that sometimes the choice is for the lesser of two evils. It has been mine fairly frequently, in fact, and I well remember one particular DA election and how one of my co-founding PAC members explained that the choice was between "evil" and "crazy." The voters did choose "crazy."

 

[mrjurrs]

Your flow of logical reasoning is faulty:


IF, God doesn't make mistakes and IF God created man in His own image - AND IF GOD says homosexuality (SAME-SEX sexual acitivity) is wrong - the only conclusion is that He didn't make gay people.


Genesis made it plain and clear why God created GENDERS when He created mankind!


Genesis 1
27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”




Genesis 2

2 And the rib that the Lord God had taken from the man he made8 into a woman and brought her to the man.

23 Then the man said,
“This at last is bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called Woman,
because she was taken out of Man.”


24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.



Jesus had also spoken about that:




Matthew 19:4-6,
“And He answered and said, ‘Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female,
and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?
“So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.’”

So we're just dismissing science and going with parable?

No thanks.

 

[mrjurrs]

Which denominations are "True Christians," mrjurrs? Which are the incorrect ones? Do you have a list?

In my view I would say no religions are 'True Christians' and that the list would consist of individual believers.

 

[nota bene]

So if a gay woman, let's say, believes in Jesus as her Lord and Savior, would she not be saved? It seems pretty obvious to me that she would.

First, let me establish that I don't believe that there is any way that either you or I could possibly know another person's heart or serve as a final arbiter of judgment.

And now let me repeat that: What may seem "obvious" to you or me may actually NOT be "obvious" to the final judge. This is above our "pay level" and beyond our "job description." Spin your wheels pondering what you will never in this lifetime know, or get to work on yourself, a much more productive expenditure of time.

Second, why would you ask me if I think your hypothetical woman would be saved when I am not God? I have no way of knowing. You don't either. But what you do know is what Jesus said: "He who believes in me...." And you know what He said to Dysmas on the Cross.

 

[Logicman]

So if a gay woman, let's say, believes in Jesus as her Lord and Savior, would she not be saved? It seems pretty obvious to me that she would.

Unless she confesses her gay sex sins and repents, she will perish (Luke 13:3). In fact, where is the repentance from the pro-gay crowd?

 

[Josie]

In my view I would say no religions are 'True Christians' and that the list would consist of individual believers.

A list of individual believers who...... what? What makes an individual a "true Christian"?

 

[mrjurrs]

A list of individual believers who...... what? What makes an individual a "true Christian"?

I think that's pretty clear. Someone that lives the tenets of their faith. Start with not flipping someone off because they cut you off after services...

 

[holbritter]

The churches leaders have been covering up for pedophile priests for God knows how long. That you have chosen to remain ignorant of that fact and then come here and make excuses for the church is disturbing.

Has the Catholic Church Been Covering Up Its Biggest Pedophile Priest Problem?

Clodagh Kilcoyne/ReutersROME—Giuseppe remembers the day his mother betrayed him. He was 12 years old and his parish priest in the southern Italian town of Salerno forced him to touch his erect penis. Giuseppe remembers the starchy black cloth of the priest’s cassock and how at first he thought...

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What excuses have I made? Citation please, or apologize for lying.

 

[Josie]

I think that's pretty clear. Someone that lives the tenets of their faith. Start with not flipping someone off because they cut you off after services...

What else?

 

[mrjurrs]

What else?

Not qualified to judge. Since Jesus was an immigrant you could start there.

 

[Josie]

Not qualified to judge. Since Jesus was an immigrant you could start there.

But you are judging. You said if a person flips someone off, they aren't a "true Christian".

Please expand on your immigrant comment.

 

[Josie]

First, let me establish that I don't believe that there is any way that either you or I could possibly know another person's heart or serve as a final arbiter of judgment.

And now let me repeat that: What may seem "obvious" to you or me may actually NOT be "obvious" to the final judge. This is above our "pay level" and beyond our "job description." Spin your wheels pondering what you will never in this lifetime know, or get to work on yourself, a much more productive expenditure of time.

Second, why would you ask me if I think your hypothetical woman would be saved when I am not God? I have no way of knowing. You don't either. But what you do know is what Jesus said: "He who believes in me...." And you know what He said to Dysmas on the Cross.

Dysmas? Was that the name of the criminal on the cross?

 

[Daisy]

So if a gay woman, let's say, believes in Jesus as her Lord and Savior, would she not be saved? It seems pretty obvious to me that she would.

"And yet the demons believe and shudder." James 2:19

 

[Questerr]

Trump is no example to follow. There are, of course, people of faith who don't vote at all, but for those of us who always vote--and I mean every local, county, and state election voters--the sad fact that sometimes the choice is for the lesser of two evils. It has been mine fairly frequently, in fact, and I well remember one particular DA election and how one of my co-founding PAC members explained that the choice was between "evil" and "crazy." The voters did choose "crazy."

And Jesus of course supports being on the side of sin if it politically convenient, right?

 

[Crakhobarbie]

What excuses have I made? Citation please, or apologize for lying.

What were your post numbers ... I'll look it up.

 

[Arlette]

Dry up with your lies.

By all means - hate on if you must. People like you are now the face of Christianity in America

 

[butterfly]

Unless she confesses her gay sex sins and repents, she will perish (Luke 13:3). In fact, where is the repentance from the pro-gay crowd?

I couldn't disagree with you more. It is sad to think how many people are turned from Christ because of misuse of Scripture like this. Whoever believes in me shall not perish but have everlasting life. True believers teach this.

 

[Daisy]

I couldn't disagree with you more. It is sad to think how many people are turned from Christ because of misuse of Scripture like this. Whoever believes in me shall not perish but have everlasting life. True believers teach this.

But they ignore John 3:36...

"The one who exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life; the one who disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him.

 

[mrjurrs]

But you are judging. You said if a person flips someone off, they aren't a "true Christian".

Please expand on your immigrant comment.

Sure, as soon as you show me that flipping someone off as they leave the parking lot after services is an example of the tenets of Christianity.