Those are the desires of We the People who created the Republic, not the desires of government. Clearly.
Does the phrase from Lincoln "a government of the people, by the people and for the people" mean anything to you?
That's the ideal on how government performs and if you control it well enough you can force it into that operational mode. But as we have seen throughout history, governments have not necessarily acted for their people. Indeed, left to its own devices all government trends towards tyranny.
That's the ideal on how government performs and if you control it well enough you can force it into that operational mode. But as we have seen throughout history, governments have not necessarily acted for their people. Indeed, left to its own devices all government trends towards tyranny.
I voted "yes" in the poll. I think the Citizens owning lots of guns reminds the gov't that the people are armed. I think everyone should have a gun or two or three, but I really can't justify the 100 round clips. There is always the possibility that as Marijuana gets more legal that we will have to find another way to fill those Corporate owned and operated jails. Lots of guns leaves lots of room for prosecutions and a steady flow of inmates. Never ignore the possibility of another agenda as the driving force behind gov't. I'm not discussing conspiracy here but good business for profit practices that are the foundations of our current "Corporatism," and if I meant Capitalism I would have used that word.
I voted "yes" in the poll. I think the Citizens owning lots of guns reminds the gov't that the people are armed. I think everyone should have a gun or two or three, but I really can't justify the 100 round clips. There is always the possibility that as Marijuana gets more legal that we will have to find another way to fill those Corporate owned and operated jails. Lots of guns leaves lots of room for prosecutions and a steady flow of inmates. Never ignore the possibility of another agenda as the driving force behind gov't. I'm not discussing conspiracy here but good business for profit practices that are the foundations of our current "Corporatism," and if I meant Capitalism I would have used that word.
No one Ingres anything. There's just not a lot of people so silly as to overreact as gun folks are.
The anti-2nd amendment side is trying to ban so called high capacity magazines, and so called assault weapons because of the rare mass shootings and its the pro-2nd amendment side that is overreacting?
Liberal idea of "compromise"
"Give me your lunch money or I'll smash your face."
See doesn't a compromise require that both parties leave the table satisfied? All I'm seeing here pro second ammendment people leaving the table with less and less each time this debate comes up.
We can't have explosives.
We can't have automatic weapons.
We have background checks.
We have permits.
We banned "scary" guns and now seem planning to do so again.
What have we got in return? Basically "Just be glad we don't take all guns away"
Exactly. This restriction is a minor one.
And too many make a leap from a minor restriction to banning all guns, to not being able to defend yourself, to killing legislators. It is extreme overreaction.
If we are to renew the "assault weapons" ban, then let's grandfather it in. I.e., if someone legally owns an "assault weapon" before the ban takes effect, then they may keep that gun. Afterward, no such weapon may be legally purchased for civilian use.
Would this be acceptable or not?
I suspect that you NRA members are a bunch of misanthropes.Liberal idea of "compromise"
"Give me your lunch money or I'll smash your face."
See doesn't a compromise require that both parties leave the table satisfied? All I'm seeing here pro second amendment people leaving the table with less and less each time this debate comes up.
We can't have explosives.And what are you going to do with these - blow up little children after murdering them ?....NO, I do not need explosives, you do not need them !
We can't have automatic weapons. And what do you need these for ? See above...
We have background checks. These are partial, weak, and not enforced....no teeth.
We have permits.Did our mass-murderer have one ?
We banned "scary" guns and now seem planning to do so again. See the automatic response
What have we got in return? Americans are still the best armed, both military, police and citizens....what MORE do you want.. Basically "Just be glad we don't take all guns away"
These restrictions are not minor.
Anti-2nd amendment loons do work in baby steps,so its not an extreme overreaction. If anything is an extreme overreaction its the anti-2nd amendment side trying to ban so called assault weapons and so called high capacity magazines over a handful of mass shootings doesn't justify infringing on the rights of millions of Americans,especially when only handful of weapons in those shootings were not so called assault weapons or so called high capacity magazines.
That is a policy question for the duly elected representatives of the people. There certainly is no Constitutional right to have equal weapons with police and soldiers in the army.So do you therefore believe that the law should deny the people the possession of militarily effective firearms, such as are carried by the police and standing army?
So let me see if I've got this straight. For two days, you've be arguing against the people having the same firearms as the police and standing army, primarily based upon your opinion that there is no need for a militia composed of the American people.
And after all the effort you've put into these posts, you mean to tell me that you don't care after all.
You seriously expect us all to believe that you have absolutely no opinion as to whether the population should be allowed to carry the same firearms as the police and standing army. You want us all to believe that you've just been arguing against it for the last two day because....you really don't care.
Umm... yeah. Okay, I'm sure everyone else here believes you just as much as I do, which is to say not one bit.
I suspect that you NRA members are a bunch of misanthropes.
Does the phrase from Lincoln "a government of the people, by the people and for the people" mean anything to you?
All I have said is that there is no right under the Second Amendment for anyone to claim that they have a right to have the same level of weaponry as a police officer or soldier.
All I have said is that there is no right under the Second Amendment for anyone to claim that they have a right to have the same level of weaponry as a police officer or soldier.
I have no idea what all this CARING nonsense is about.
I can't really grasp all the objection to the current weapons proposals. What the hell, the massacres that have occurred require some kind of response. Politicians seldom initiate solutions in our current environment of partisan divide. OTOH, they are trapped into having to do something and we are in the middle of the experience. Keerist, I'm delighted that the proposals are as minor as they are. Knee jerk overrreaction was my fear and the proposals are instead relatively minor. Great. As far as the NRA is concerned, screw them. They've become the voice of the radical right.
Exactly. This restriction is a minor one. And too many make a leap from a minor restriction to banning all guns, to not being able to defend yourself, to killing legislators. It is extreme overreaction.
your posting style is a perfect prototype of the incremental strategy of banning guns. Most people, unless they pay careful attention to your many gun posts, would not see your true agenda which of course is to incrementally ban guns. Almost every incrementalist pretends the "next step" is minor. Its obvious to us who understand the issue. I also note you often "like" more extremist suggestions of those whose anti gun agenda is not as well guarded as yours
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