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A possible agreement with liberals.

Liberals are the ones working to abate climate change. Grassroots movements to do what you suggest have been underway for a long time. Government incentives might help get more people on board. In my neighborhood most of us have thumbed our noses at the CC&Rs restricting us to grass lawns and replaced them with vegetable plots and wildlife friendly plots.

Honestly, I have a problem with anyone thumbing their nose at anything they are somehow bound to respect.
Work to change rules you don't like is fine.
Just doing as you well please, not socially responsible.
 
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Honestly, I have a problem with anyone thumbing their nose at anything they are somehow bound to respect.
Work to change rules you don't like is fine.
Just doing as you fakn well please, not socially responsible
The CC&Rs are moot. The developer took off long ago; there is no committee, no voting. We checked with the city and because there are no teeth behind the document, we can do as we wish. Someone unhappy with something can sue a neighbor but there would have to be majority of residents agreeing to support the lawsuit and since a majority of the residents support replacing lawns with more environmentally friendly solutions, there are no issues here. We are in a major drought and no one here wants to waste water trying to keep grass from turning crispy.
 
The CC&Rs are moot. The developer took off long ago; there is no committee, no voting. We checked with the city and because there are no teeth behind the document, we can do as we wish. Someone unhappy with something can sue a neighbor but there would have to be majority of residents agreeing to support the lawsuit and since a majority of the residents support replacing lawns with more environmentally friendly solutions, there are no issues here. We are in a major drought and no one here wants to waste water trying to keep grass from turning crispy.

I water the grass just today for the first time this year. We had a great early spring. Trees and grass were growing like wildfire.

Then, bam! The rain just stopped.
That well over a month ago.
 
I can understand that.

I am not like that. I am very visual and just dropped over a grand on fresh mulch, tree and bush trimming, spraying....

$175 per load to take away the limbs and branches. It struck me as a lot.
What about eatable landscapes?

some shrubs and trees have attractive blooms/foliage, and edible fruit and berries.
 
What about eatable landscapes?

some shrubs and trees have attractive blooms/foliage, and edible fruit and berries.

Great, just not for me. Too much work.
This is the first year I had to hired someone to help me with the landscaping.
 
Besides reducing military and legalizing all drugs, which I am liberal on I have another idea.

If it became a liberal "cause" to replace stupid wasteful boring grass yards with produce. I would cheer them and be on board, and applaud this consistency.

If thisnwere adopted on a wide basis, like 10s of millions doing it, think of the Incredible green benefits.

All the saved shipping of food saved etc.
no
 
Great, just not for me. Too much work.
This is the first year I had to hired someone to help me with the landscaping.
I spend a great deal of time and money keeping my lawn, flowers and trees and shrubs looking nice, I have a small vegetable garden as well. You do you and I'll keep doing what I do.
 
I spend a great deal of time and money keeping my lawn, flowers and trees and shrubs looking nice, I have a small vegetable garden as well. You do you and I'll keep doing what I do.

When did I say you shouldn't?
 
Besides reducing military and legalizing all drugs, which I am liberal on I have another idea.

If it became a liberal "cause" to replace stupid wasteful boring grass yards with produce. I would cheer them and be on board, and applaud this consistency.

If thisnwere adopted on a wide basis, like 10s of millions doing it, think of the Incredible green benefits.

All the saved shipping of food saved etc.
I guess. If there are HOA rules or local laws prohibiting people from gardening, then by all means let's get rid of those. It just seems to me that the bigger issue with this idea is that most people don't *want* to be farmers.
 
Besides reducing military and legalizing all drugs, which I am liberal on I have another idea.

If it became a liberal "cause" to replace stupid wasteful boring grass yards with produce. I would cheer them and be on board, and applaud this consistency.

If thisnwere adopted on a wide basis, like 10s of millions doing it, think of the Incredible green benefits.

All the saved shipping of food saved etc.

Liberals have a lot of good ideas. Where they go astray is when they think their ideas are so good, they should MANDATE that they be done. That's only slightly better than the conservatives demanding stupid ideas be done.
 
Liberals have a lot of good ideas. Where they go astray is when they think their ideas are so good, they should MANDATE that they be done. That's only slightly better than the conservatives demanding stupid ideas be done.
Well yea I would not want to mandate edible yards. But I would applaud it.
 
I guess. If there are HOA rules or local laws prohibiting people from gardening, then by all means let's get rid of those. It just seems to me that the bigger issue with this idea is that most people don't *want* to be farmers.
True. But one would think people passionate about saving the planet would try it.

It really would take less effort and miney than keeping a nice lawn, if done minimally.
 
Liberals have a lot of good ideas. Where they go astray is when they think their ideas are so good, they should MANDATE that they be done. That's only slightly better than the conservatives demanding stupid ideas be done.

Nah.

Its a LOT better actually.
 
We grow vegtables (tomatoes, sugar peas, & cucumbers) in pots on the sunny side of our house. We have a automatic gravity fed watering system so that helps with a lot of the labor. We put together a bunch of supports using PCV piping. Start up cost was about $200 but now every year we just reuse everything.
 
Liberals have a lot of good ideas. Where they go astray is when they think their ideas are so good, they should MANDATE that they be done. That's only slightly better than the conservatives demanding stupid ideas be done.

And yet it seems a conservative is 'considering' that. Kinda...as if it's a challenge if we dont.
 
True. But one would think people passionate about saving the planet would try it.

It really would take less effort and miney than keeping a nice lawn, if done minimally.

It's overly simplistic.

And I own 3 acres and do a lot of gardening. And dealing with pests. And trying not to use too much water or any chemicals. And keeping some in pasture for horses. And dealing with the realities of free range hens. Etc etc.

Growing food is a great deal of physical work. I just imagine people biting off more than they can chew, and then just letting it all go. Just turning green space into monocultures requiring more resources and spraying chemicals doesnt necessarily 'fix' environmental problems.

Pea patches and communal gardens are great ideas that also suit many people.
 
Nice lawns are nice... but they require work!!!! My lot is large enough for me. My dog can run full stride back and forth and around in my back yard, so its big enough for me and my dog.... (if I can get the dog to stop digging holes, that would be good)
  • Maintaining the lawn and shrubbery is work, and I installed a new fence last year, but it still requires to be edged along the fence line. Hedges need to be trimmed, dead roses have to be clipped from the rose bush.


I did a small garden during the Pandemic, it was a lot of work "doing the weeding". I think I'd like to have a nice well built "green house".

All these things are nice people speak of as to usages of land space, but it not much of a problem for people who have always done it.
  • I had to adjust myself to start doing my lawn, because for the first 15 yrs I had a lawn service, but I bought a zero turn, and other lawn maintenance equipment a year ago because I like my grass cut weekly. (for me personally, it has to be maintained well)

I have one large Pine Tree, I will have cut down.... but I have neighbors who have as many as 12-15 trees, and pine straw is everywhere. Before my neighbor cut down two along the fence line, I had pine straw on my roof and each time it cost money to have it removed.
  • I just replaced the roofing shingles a couple months ago. Thank goodness none of the pine trees are close so I no longer have the issue of his pine straw falling on my roof. But he has Oak trees, and in the fall, the leaves fall in my yard; and that's a chore, because it takes a couple months for all the leaves to fall off.

Home maintenance is always work.
  • I keep my back yard as neat as my front yard. After living in California for over 30+ yrs, it was standard habit that front and back yard both were well manicured and shrubbery well trimmed. So, I do the same where I live now. But, when I think, even growing up in a country town we kept our yard nice and clean and we had a garden that was kept nice.
Now, most of the cookie cutter homes in some of the suburbs, don't always have much yard, and some gated communities have houses that are close together and very shallow front yards and some have shallow back yards as well.

What happens to large acreage when people get older... turns into a whole different challenge. I've seen many that fall into overgrowth when people get older and don't have the money to hire someone to keep it up. Especially in areas where there are lots of vine type and poison ivy grows like crazy, and other type of vine things that grow all over the place.
  • I see some people who do lots of various things to their yard, and some don't choose the right plants and they eventually grow very large.

Gardening (Vegetable Growing) is no joke... one has to be fit and acclimated to doing that type of work, to really maintain it.
 
Nice lawns are nice... but they require work!!!!
Can I show some pics of my work. I maintain this all by myself, and I am no spring chicken.
 

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Nice lawns are nice... but they require work!!!! My lot is large enough for me. My dog can run full stride back and forth and around in my back yard, so its big enough for me and my dog.... (if I can get the dog to stop digging holes, that would be good)
  • Maintaining the lawn and shrubbery is work, and I installed a new fence last year, but it still requires to be edged along the fence line. Hedges need to be trimmed, dead roses have to be clipped from the rose bush.


I did a small garden during the Pandemic, it was a lot of work "doing the weeding". I think I'd like to have a nice well built "green house".

I have that, there's still a lot of weeding and maint. Posted 2 springs ago:

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That's tomatoes, several different peppers, lemon cucumbers, and green beans.


What happens to large acreage when people get older... turns into a whole different challenge. I've seen many that fall into overgrowth when people get older and don't have the money to hire someone to keep it up. Especially in areas where there are lots of vine type and poison ivy grows like crazy, and other type of vine things that grow all over the place.
  • I see some people who do lots of various things to their yard, and some don't choose the right plants and they eventually grow very large.

Exactly. And I have to be careful because rats can come up from the barn and need to be dealt with. If people allow them to proliferate, then they invade their neighbors.

Gardening (Vegetable Growing) is no joke... one has to be fit and acclimated to doing that type of work, to really maintain it.

But it is wonderful and satisfying. But it is a responsibility like anything else.
 
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