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A Nation of Simpletons

So...wow this is mindblowing...according to you super educated leftists...it now appears that our elections are won by one group of people outnumbering the other group of people in key areas. Us dumb people have been winning the wrong way. We thought our Presidential election was at the state level and therefore spent time campaigning there on the key issues like bringing jobs back for us and border security. We need to shift gears and run on open borders and sending jobs overseas so we can be like the left and lose intelligently.

What I said was exaclty correct....outnumbered in key areas, lest you forget that Donald did not win with the most votes and all that.

Stop being a troll.
 
What I said was exaclty correct....outnumbered in key areas, lest you forget that Donald did not win with the most votes and all that.

Stop being a troll.

Wow mind blowing...and here we thought we elected presidents by state elections and the electoral college!
 
What I said was exaclty correct....outnumbered in key areas, lest you forget that Donald did not win with the most votes and all that.

Stop being a troll.

Can't do that, it is in their contract, Товарищ. Must make quota.
 
Wow mind blowing...and here we thought we elected presidents by state elections and the electoral college!

You asked the question of how the less educated outsmarted the more educated. I provided the explaination.... that they simply outnumbered them in keys areas, leading to a win in the electoral college and a loss in the popular vote.

I do, however, understand how simple facts might blow the mind of someone like you who is apparently averse to facts that don't fit your narrative.

And before you try to lay this on me... I understand perfectly well how we elect a President in this country. I have never tried to claim his win was not legitimate... but using your criteria, the educated outvoted the uneducated, just not in the right places.
 
What Trump isn't is he isn't a loser.

No, it takes a real financial genius to bankrupt a casino! He has done nothing of value throughout his privileged and spoiled life. He was given millions by his father, employed others to make even more money for him, and took credit for their hard work. He continues to do so. In short he is a fraud and a liar who lives vicariously through the success of others.
 
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No, it's not that "intellectual" thought is nuanced, it's that intellectual thought always believes it is correct, yet we see quite the opposite here.

Really, cause studies have pretty consistently shown that to be the other way around. It's the people who have the lowest understanding of an issue that tend to have the most confidence in their understanding of it. It's like how so many rural white christians seem to think they know so much about Islam despite the fact that most of them have never even met one in person.
 
You asked the question of how the less educated outsmarted the more educated. I provided the explaination.... that they simply outnumbered them in keys areas, leading to a win in the electoral college and a loss in the popular vote.

I do, however, understand how simple facts might blow the mind of someone like you who is apparently averse to facts that don't fit your narrative.

And before you try to lay this on me... I understand perfectly well how we elect a President in this country. I have never tried to claim his win was not legitimate... but using your criteria, the educated outvoted the uneducated, just not in the right places.

I have missed nothing. Only a simpleton believes Trump won because of the less educated. Trump won based on America first ideology which is something the leftist brain is incapable of processing. You will lose 2020 unless dems have a change in how they smugly view their fellow Americans. Education doesn't make you intelligent as we can see evidenced in the incredibly stupid posts made by self professed highly educated people. You guys don't even want to defend the border. How dumb is that? Off the chart dumb. That's how dumb.
 
In my lifetime I have had 3 "careers" and at least 24 jobs, ranging from janitor, cook and bottlewasher (literally) to Executive Officer and Assistant Attorney General. I consider myself intellectual, as I like to think about all kinds of things, including what I think and do, but, notwithstanding some posts to the contrary, not arrogant. But... I have noticed, even in myself, a creeping pattern of discourse that is both crude and dismissive. It's not just here on this forum, it is in our newspapers and magazines, on our televisions, and in our daily lives. Conversations are boiled down to "tweets" and text messages (email is so passe), or, if particularly loquacious, a brief exchange while waiting for our lattes at Starbucks. People don't interact with each other as fully as they did even a few decades ago. They get their information and form beliefs from headlines, not the articles.

I've noticed it particularly on weighty topics like climate change, global economics or the Mueller report. In lieu of in-depth study or reading, we post and respond with pithy points based upon cursory knowledge or beliefs. Again, it is not just on discussion forums like this. It seems to be everywhere. We have become a nation of simpletons. Complex thoughts and understanding are becoming rarer and rarer. Part of it is the deteriorization (that's deliberate, not a typo) of our education system, and the divisions between the haves and have nots - but it infests every strata of society. The apotheosis, in my view, is Donald Trump in the White House, the apex simpleton, and a cabinet full of singularly unqualified appointees. But again, it is not a political thing. We, as a society, have attention deficit in the worst way. We can't hold onto a line of thought to the end of a sentence, much less a paragraph, and even less a 448 page report. Our understanding of a topic has to be reduced to a bumper sticker, 288 characters, or a single double-spaced page with bullet points. In that environment bad actors get away with murder, and much worse.

I haven't determined whether our political divide is a symptom of this or merely an accelerant of the trend. Our beliefs are becoming binary: With me, agin' me; fascist or socialist; crackpot or nutjob. But there are big, complicated issues that we have to address both individually and as a nation - security (social, national and personal), environmental degradation, national and international economics, social justice - and soon we are going to be faced with even more, like a worldwide water shortage, dwindling fuel supplies, loss of natural resources and population growth. These are issues that are not amenable to bumper-sticker sized solutions or pithy programs. We need to emerge from our simpleton stupor, but the question is, how?

If you want to do a simple test of your hypothesis, just go back and watch tapes of the Mike Wallace shows from the 1950s. He had intellectual giants on his shows and people watched them yearning to understand more and to broaden their minds. This type of programming was common up until the early 80s. Another way to judge it is to look at Presidential Debates in the past when they were run by the League of Women Voters. I see a few things at play here. First, the generation that emerged out of the Depression and WW2 cherished education and wanted desperately to go to college. They did and the country was better for it. Secondly, wealth was not revered as the most significant thing a person could achieve. We loved our scientists, authors, play writes, artists, intellectuals more then we did some rich man like a JP Getty or Howard Hughes. Third, the networks did not see the news and programs that educated people as a hit to the bottom line, they saw them as a duty to the nation and a service rather then a profit center. Lastly, the boomer generation that once celebrated these things became engrossed in making money, having a good time and raising kids which for some reason changed all of us. Reagan tapped into this like a kindly grandfather and ushered in the era of soundbites, intellectual laziness and the celebration of simpletons rather then genius. The Internet made everyone a star, it let the riff raff bubble to the top for click bait. Today, our kids are on their phones rather then reading Tolstoy or Dickens. It will only get worse as catering to idiocy is very profitable.
 
I have missed nothing. Only a simpleton believes Trump won because of the less educated. Trump won based on America first ideology which is something the leftist brain is incapable of processing. You will lose 2020 unless dems have a change in how they smugly view their fellow Americans. Education doesn't make you intelligent as we can see evidenced in the incredibly stupid posts made by self professed highly educated people. You guys don't even want to defend the border. How dumb is that? Off the chart dumb. That's how dumb.

If you vote for Trump because many of think Trump voters are dumb as rocks then you are not voting responsibly at all. One hopes that a vote is cherished and used in a responsible fashion. Whether you are a genius or a moron, if you voted for him in 2016 and still support him, you lack certain fundamental characteristics that reveal a giant hole in your psyche. It was not good to vote for a man such as Trump the first time, it is almost criminal to do so a second time.
 
If you vote for Trump because many of think Trump voters are dumb as rocks then you are not voting responsibly at all. One hopes that a vote is cherished and used in a responsible fashion. Whether you are a genius or a moron, if you voted for him in 2016 and still support him, you lack certain fundamental characteristics that reveal a giant hole in your psyche. It was not good to vote for a man such as Trump the first time, it is almost criminal to do so a second time.

You forgot to list a readon why it should be criminal to vote for Trump again. Is it because jobs are back or the economy is flourishing...what?
 
You forgot to list a readon why it should be criminal to vote for Trump again. Is it because jobs are back or the economy is flourishing...what?

Again with this crap....

So NOW part time work is okay?

The economy is flourishing....at just above the level it was when he took office. Original quarterly estimate for GDP was 2.9%.....then it was revised upward to 3.1%. Congrats ...except for the fact that Obama averaged just below 3 percent his last 4 years in office. So we are now to applaul Trump for managing not to run the car off the road?

Okay.....:applaud.....happy now?
 
You forgot to list a readon why it should be criminal to vote for Trump again. Is it because jobs are back or the economy is flourishing...what?

I used the term colloquially not legally. As in "it would be a crime if we made the same mistake again after being shown it was a mistake and then ignoring it".
 
I used the term colloquially not legally. As in "it would be a crime if we made the same mistake again after being shown it was a mistake and then ignoring it".

Why is it a mistake to vote for Trump again? The economy is great and jobs are coming back. He is also single handedly fighting democrats to secure our borders and our national security. Why are you against this?
 
Again with this crap....

So NOW part time work is okay?

The economy is flourishing....at just above the level it was when he took office. Original quarterly estimate for GDP was 2.9%.....then it was revised upward to 3.1%. Congrats ...except for the fact that Obama averaged just below 3 percent his last 4 years in office. So we are now to applaul Trump for managing not to run the car off the road?

Okay.....:applaud.....happy now?

Obama never had a year above 3. Not one. You applauded Obama for less...so spare us your hypocritical BS.
 
In my lifetime I have had 3 "careers" and at least 24 jobs, ranging from janitor, cook and bottlewasher (literally) to Executive Officer and Assistant Attorney General. I consider myself intellectual, as I like to think about all kinds of things, including what I think and do, but, notwithstanding some posts to the contrary, not arrogant. But... I have noticed, even in myself, a creeping pattern of discourse that is both crude and dismissive. It's not just here on this forum, it is in our newspapers and magazines, on our televisions, and in our daily lives. Conversations are boiled down to "tweets" and text messages (email is so passe), or, if particularly loquacious, a brief exchange while waiting for our lattes at Starbucks. People don't interact with each other as fully as they did even a few decades ago. They get their information and form beliefs from headlines, not the articles.

I've noticed it particularly on weighty topics like climate change, global economics or the Mueller report. In lieu of in-depth study or reading, we post and respond with pithy points based upon cursory knowledge or beliefs. Again, it is not just on discussion forums like this. It seems to be everywhere. We have become a nation of simpletons. Complex thoughts and understanding are becoming rarer and rarer. Part of it is the deteriorization (that's deliberate, not a typo) of our education system, and the divisions between the haves and have nots - but it infests every strata of society. The apotheosis, in my view, is Donald Trump in the White House, the apex simpleton, and a cabinet full of singularly unqualified appointees. But again, it is not a political thing. We, as a society, have attention deficit in the worst way. We can't hold onto a line of thought to the end of a sentence, much less a paragraph, and even less a 448 page report. Our understanding of a topic has to be reduced to a bumper sticker, 288 characters, or a single double-spaced page with bullet points. In that environment bad actors get away with murder, and much worse.

I haven't determined whether our political divide is a symptom of this or merely an accelerant of the trend. Our beliefs are becoming binary: With me, agin' me; fascist or socialist; crackpot or nutjob. But there are big, complicated issues that we have to address both individually and as a nation - security (social, national and personal), environmental degradation, national and international economics, social justice - and soon we are going to be faced with even more, like a worldwide water shortage, dwindling fuel supplies, loss of natural resources and population growth. These are issues that are not amenable to bumper-sticker sized solutions or pithy programs. We need to emerge from our simpleton stupor, but the question is, how?

The Adolescent Progressive Mind
Victor Davis Hanson, American Greatness
 
So the poorly educated outsmarted the cerebral types? Seems to me the highly educated should have known about this before the election and done something about it eh?




No one likes to find out they have been lied to for years.

Survey finds Hillary Clinton has ‘more than 99% chance’ of winning election over Donald Trump

"Three days before the election, Ms Clinton has a projected 312 electoral votes, compared to 226 for Mr Trump. A total of 270 electoral votes are needed to win.

The probability statistic was found by the university’s statistical Bayesian model."

Hmm. Democrats thought they were using the well respected Bayesian model.

Results later indicated they ended up eating all that up and it was actually using the cnn patented bull****ian model.

Do they learn?

Nope.

The Press Will Learn Nothing From the Russiagate Fiasco

"On February 15, 2016, the National Review took unprecedented action. In an all-out plea to Republican voters to stop Donald Trump before it was too late, the magazine enlisted 22 of the right’s most prominent voices to band together and throw support elsewhere, to save the party.

The “Conservatives Against Trump” issue didn’t move the needle. Despite a lineup of pleas against Trump that included Glenn Beck, Cal Thomas, Mona Charen, Michael Medved and Dana Loesch, Trump surged in the polls that month, expanding his lead over primary opponents at a critical juncture of the race. Trump voters considered these and other pundits part of the Republican establishment and therefore not to be trusted."

"He didn’t just “fail to establish” evidence of crime. His report is full of incredibly damning passages, like one about Russian officialdom’s efforts to reach the Trump campaign after the election: “They appeared not to have preexisting contacts and struggled to connect with senior officials around the President-Elect.”

Not only was there no “collusion,” the two camps didn’t even have each others’ phone numbers!

In March of 2017, in one of the first of what would become a mountain of mafia-hierarchy-style “Trump-Russia contacts” graphics in major newspapers, the Washington Post described an email Trump lawyer Michael Cohen sent to Kremlin press secretary Dmitry Peskov. They called it “the most direct interaction yet of a top Trump aide and a senior member of Putin’s government.”

The report shows the whole episode was a joke. In order to further the Trump Tower project-that-never-was, Cohen literally cold-emailed the Kremlin. More than that, he entered the email incorrectly, so the letter initially didn’t even arrive. When he finally fixed the mistake, Peskov didn’t answer back.

That was “the most direct interaction yet of a top Trump aide and a senior member of Putin’s government”!" Rolling Stone
 
Obama never had a year above 3. Not one. You applauded Obama for less...so spare us your hypocritical BS.

Um....neither has Trump. Trumps best YEAR has been 2.9%. Obamas best YEAR was....wait for it....2.9%.

Both have had quarters above that, but neither a year.

I applauded Obama for the same thing you berated him for before you started applauding Trump for doing. And you will notice I never said Trump didnt accomplish anything....I said that he accomplished not screwing up what was already going on. Thats something, I guess.
You were saying?
 
Why is it a mistake to vote for Trump again? The economy is great and jobs are coming back. He is also single handedly fighting democrats to secure our borders and our national security. Why are you against this?

What in the world do you think is important enough to warrant the behavior of this incredible monster? Sorry, I am not so easily bribed. As for the border, I live among Hispanics legal and undocumented and they are wonderful people who serve us all well. Before we turn them into criminals and destroy their lives, lets give them a path to citizenship. I will not give up my humanity for a false leader, no way.
 
I have missed nothing. Only a simpleton believes Trump won because of the less educated. Trump won based on America first ideology which is something the leftist brain is incapable of processing. You will lose 2020 unless dems have a change in how they smugly view their fellow Americans. Education doesn't make you intelligent as we can see evidenced in the incredibly stupid posts made by self professed highly educated people. You guys don't even want to defend the border. How dumb is that? Off the chart dumb. That's how dumb.
There, fixed it for you.

5103 posts, and not an intelligent thought to provide.
 
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Really, cause studies have pretty consistently shown that to be the other way around. It's the people who have the lowest understanding of an issue that tend to have the most confidence in their understanding of it. It's like how so many rural white christians seem to think they know so much about Islam despite the fact that most of them have never even met one in person.

Yada, yada, yada. You think those "studies" weren't done by "leftist intellectuals"? Could it be that pretend intellectuals seem to think they know what "rural white christians" think pr believe?
 
What in the world do you think is important enough to warrant the behavior of this incredible monster? Sorry, I am not so easily bribed. As for the border, I live among Hispanics legal and undocumented and they are wonderful people who serve us all well. Before we turn them into criminals and destroy their lives, lets give them a path to citizenship. I will not give up my humanity for a false leader, no way.
They violated our laws. They are factually criminals. If you want to be a traitor thats your despicable choice. I asked you why its a mistake to vote for Trump again. Name your top three issues you believe makes him not worthy. And please...no TDS bs like above. I live with hispanics as well. We are talking about illegals not hispanics. Please learn the ****ing difference.
 
They violated our laws. They are factually criminals. If you want to be a traitor thats your despicable choice. I asked you why its a mistake to vote for Trump again. Name your top three issues you believe makes him not worthy. And please...no TDS bs like above. I live with hispanics as well. We are talking about illegals not hispanics. Please learn the ****ing difference.

I realize that of all the issues facing all of us, you think a bunch of Mexicans picking your strawberries or cleaning your toilets in the hotel room you stayed in is the most important because of "laws". If you care about "laws" so much I am sure you would welcome restriction devices on your car that link up to speed limits making it impossible to go one MPH faster then the limit. 5G will make this possible, you will drive around with a little woodie once this becomes reality because of "laws". Or maybe you think because of "laws", every single kid who broke a drug related law should be in prison. Lets turn the FBI on to fraternities and sororities all across the nation. Yep, invade every one of them next Friday and Saturday and send those horrid little lawbreakers to the same jails we send their black peers to forever because you love "laws". You and others like you could care less about "laws". You voted for a man who flaunts the law so don't try to make this about "laws". No, this is about racism and bigotry and ignorance and hate and cruelty, nothing more or less.
 
I realize that of all the issues facing all of us, you think a bunch of Mexicans picking your strawberries or cleaning your toilets in the hotel room you stayed in is the most important because of "laws". If you care about "laws" so much I am sure you would welcome restriction devices on your car that link up to speed limits making it impossible to go one MPH faster then the limit. 5G will make this possible, you will drive around with a little woodie once this becomes reality because of "laws". Or maybe you think because of "laws", every single kid who broke a drug related law should be in prison. Lets turn the FBI on to fraternities and sororities all across the nation. Yep, invade every one of them next Friday and Saturday and send those horrid little lawbreakers to the same jails we send their black peers to forever because you love "laws". You and others like you could care less about "laws". You voted for a man who flaunts the law so don't try to make this about "laws". No, this is about racism and bigotry and ignorance and hate and cruelty, nothing more or less.
You would do away with laws?
 
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