A little quiz for the forum members......

[Navy Pride]

1. Who has prevented oil exploration for the last 30 years?

2. Who has prevented building Nuclear Plants for the last 30 years?

3. Who has prevented the building of new refineries for the last 30 years?

4. Who has prevented us from being energy independent for the last 30 years?

5. Who has caused the price of gasoline to go up to almost $4.00 a gallon?

Answer: Its not a hard quiz........The Obstructionists Democrats in the congress.......If all the above things had been implemented we would be paying $.75 a gallon for gas........

Think about it the next time you fill up your truck and it costs $100.00 to do it and remember that when you go to the polls in November............

 

[aps]

1. Who has prevented oil exploration for the last 30 years?

2. Who has prevented building Nuclear Plants for the last 30 years?

3. Who has prevented the building of new refineries for the last 30 years?

4. Who has prevented us from being energy independent for the last 30 years?

5. Who has caused the price of gasoline to go up to almost $4.00 a gallon?

Answer: Its not a hard quiz........The Obstructionists Democrats in the congress.......If all the above things had been implemented we would be paying $.75 a gallon for gas........

Think about it the next time you fill up your truck and it costs $100.00 to do it and remember that when you go to the polls in November............

Links, please.

Those who own cars where it costs you over $100 to fill up the car from close to empty, I have this to say to you: :neener

I have no sympathy for people who buy gas guzzlers.

 

[the makeout hobo]

Nevermind that since 1980 the Republicans have had the White House 20 out of 28 years...

Nevermind that the Republicans had control of the house for 12 years...

Nevermind that the Republicans had control the Senate for about 18 years between 1980 and the present...

All failure lays squarly at the feet of the Democrats.

 

[Navy Pride]

Links, please.

Those who own cars where it costs you over $100 to fill up the car from close to empty, I have this to say to you: :neener

I have no sympathy for people who buy gas guzzlers.

If you follow the congress on CSPAN over the years you will see that all those questions are accurate.............

No thank you.......If I get in and accident I don't want to be in one of those little compact coffins.. About 6 years ago I was in and accident in my Chevy Silverado Pick Up...............A young girl ran a stop sign and broadsided me right on the drivers side door........She was going about 45 MPH.......I suffered a couple of cracked ribs........If I would have been in one of those little compact coffins I would be dead.............I want to make sure nothing like that ever happens o anyone in my family again.....

The answer is not to get rid of the trucks aps........Its for the auto industry to increase the MPG in them........The problem is if they did that it would piss off the auto unions that have the democrats in their back pockets so don't expect that to happen in your lifetime.................

 

[Navy Pride]

Nevermind that since 1980 the Republicans have had the White House 20 out of 28 years...

Nevermind that the Republicans had control of the house for 12 years...

Nevermind that the Republicans had control the Senate for about 18 years between 1980 and the present...

All failure lays squarly at the feet of the Democrats.

Guess you never heard of the filibuster in the senate huh? On several of those issues like drilling in ANWAR the Republicans got a majority (Over 50) several times but could not get the 60 to over ride the democratic filibuster...........


PS: On another note, you need a spell checker my friend........

 

[the makeout hobo]

Guess you never heard of the filibuster in the senate huh? On several of those issues like drilling in ANWAR the Republicans got a majority (Over 50) several times but could not get the 60 to over ride the democratic filibuster...........


PS: On another note, you need a spell checker my friend........

Not all the blame falls on the Democrats. Republicans share blame too. They could have done much more to promote energy independence. I find it hard to believe that in all those years the Republicans controlled government that they couldn't do anything more than they did.

Also, NP, why do you think the Democrats opposed these measures?

P.S.I know I need spell checker. I'm on my work computer, and it doesn't automatically spell check like my laptop did, so it throws me off.:3oops:

 

[Iriemon]

Guess you never heard of the filibuster in the senate huh? On several of those issues like drilling in ANWAR the Republicans got a majority (Over 50) several times but could not get the 60 to over ride the democratic filibuster...........


PS: On another note, you need a spell checker my friend........

Filibuster schmilibuster. The Republicans could have passed those laws if they wanted.

Teh Dems raised taxes in 1993 against the opposition of every single Republican, despite there being a tie in Senate. Why didn't the Republicans filibuster that?

 

[Redress]

The answer is not to get rid of the trucks aps........Its for the auto industry to increase the MPG in them........The problem is if they did that it would piss off the auto unions that have the democrats in their back pockets so don't expect that to happen in your lifetime.................

Why? What reason do you see for auto unions(and I hate the UAW, I am not blindly defending them here) to be against increased MPG? Do you have a logical reason, or god forbid some actually evidence to back up that bizarre claim?

 

[jfuh]

1. Who has prevented oil exploration for the last 30 years?

2. Who has prevented building Nuclear Plants for the last 30 years?

3. Who has prevented the building of new refineries for the last 30 years?

4. Who has prevented us from being energy independent for the last 30 years?

5. Who has caused the price of gasoline to go up to almost $4.00 a gallon?

Answer: Its not a hard quiz........The Obstructionists Democrats in the congress.......If all the above things had been implemented we would be paying $.75 a gallon for gas........

Think about it the next time you fill up your truck and it costs $100.00 to do it and remember that when you go to the polls in November............

Who caused us to be still reliant on oil?

 

[bub]

1. Who has prevented oil exploration for the last 30 years?

2. Who has prevented building Nuclear Plants for the last 30 years?

3. Who has prevented the building of new refineries for the last 30 years?

4. Who has prevented us from being energy independent for the last 30 years?

5. Who has caused the price of gasoline to go up to almost $4.00 a gallon?

Answer: Its not a hard quiz........The Obstructionists Democrats in the congress.......If all the above things had been implemented we would be paying $.75 a gallon for gas........

Think about it the next time you fill up your truck and it costs $100.00 to do it and remember that when you go to the polls in November............

looks like everything is related to oil...except the invasion of Iraq :shock:

 

[jfuh]

If you follow the congress on CSPAN over the years you will see that all those questions are accurate.............

No thank you.......If I get in and accident I don't want to be in one of those little compact coffins.. About 6 years ago I was in and accident in my Chevy Silverado Pick Up...............A young girl ran a stop sign and broadsided me right on the drivers side door........She was going about 45 MPH.......I suffered a couple of cracked ribs........If I would have been in one of those little compact coffins I would be dead.............I want to make sure nothing like that ever happens o anyone in my family again.....

The answer is not to get rid of the trucks aps........Its for the auto industry to increase the MPG in them........The problem is if they did that it would piss off the auto unions that have the democrats in their back pockets so don't expect that to happen in your lifetime.................

Actually it has little to do with size of the car but more to do with the design of the safety cage of the car.
A 5 star crash rated car will always be safer than a 1 star car.
If you want a safe car drive a volvo not a truck - they'll assist you in preventing an accident the first case - ie less momentum to deal with for more effective braking performance.

 

[Cold Highway]

1 we would be paying $.75 a gallon for gas........

That would be a God send.

Think about it the next time you fill up your truck and it costs $100.00 to do it and remember that when you go to the polls in November............

Its already costing me near $70 a week to fill my truck.

 

[jfuh]

Why? What reason do you see for auto unions(and I hate the UAW, I am not blindly defending them here) to be against increased MPG? Do you have a logical reason, or god forbid some actually evidence to back up that bizarre claim?

Well they better start pumping in more technology into their designs now because otherwise, with gas at the price it is now with little possible way of getting any less, no one is going to buy them.

 

[jfuh]

If all the above things had been implemented we would be paying $.75 a gallon for gas.

Prove it despite the fact that oil is an internationally priced commodity.

Think about it the next time you fill up your truck and it costs $100.00 to do it and remember that when you go to the polls in November............

Seeing as McCain isn't going to do anything to wane us off of oil and both Hilary and Obama will the choice is obvious.

 

[Redress]

Well they better start pumping in more technology into their designs now because otherwise, with gas at the price it is now with little possible way of getting any less, no one is going to buy them.

The union is not handling the design. In fact, I am pretty sure(though not positive on this point) that the engineers are not even part of the UAW. The UAW is only really concerned with employment levels and treatment of employees, not with how far a car/truck will go on a gallon of gas. Now, the auto makers had better figure something out, or they are going to be screwed as the market for SUVs and big pickups bottoms out.

 

[Voidwar]

I have no sympathy for people who buy gas guzzlers.

How many MPG do you think your Farmer's Combine gets ?

S'Ok, with no sympathy of your own, you can hardly blame him for his lack thereof when your grocery bill goes up.

 

[Navy Pride]

Filibuster schmilibuster. The Republicans could have passed those laws if they wanted.


Teh Dems raised taxes in 1993 against the opposition of every single Republican, despite there being a tie in Senate. Why didn't the Republicans filibuster that?

Horse ****.....tell me how? I gave you a prime example in ANWAR where they got a majority.......How do the get around the threat of a filibuster?

 

[aps]

How many MPG do you think your Farmer's Combine gets ?

S'Ok, with no sympathy of your own, you can hardly blame him for his lack thereof when your grocery bill goes up.

I don't understand your point.

I see so many people driving huge SUVs, and I laugh thinking how much it costs them to fill up that totally unnecessary car.

 

[jfuh]

The union is not handling the design. In fact, I am pretty sure(though not positive on this point) that the engineers are not even part of the UAW. The UAW is only really concerned with employment levels and treatment of employees, not with how far a car/truck will go on a gallon of gas. Now, the auto makers had better figure something out, or they are going to be screwed as the market for SUVs and big pickups bottoms out.

:ranton:There you go, now you got me started. It is my honest belief that the UAW is the greatest reason as to why American cars are as shitty as they are today.
They're so narrowly short sighted that they can't see beyond the horizon - a car produced in the US must by X number of employees in no more no less than Y amount of time to which Z % must go towards the wages of X employees.
So any employee can't work any faster than nor slower than what the union has determined as the limit.
I'm all for unions - they are necessary for establishing foundations and minimums. But now they're all going out and building ceilings where people can not get any further than what THEY'VE established and walls where only their people are allowed in through the door. Keep it up UAW, keep up this bullshit and you will soon see what this non-sense is going to yield - one word unemployment. Instead of a few people loosing their jobs everyone is going to loose their job - ie Detroit.:rantoff:
Now back on topic. How does the UAW or any union relate to MPG?

 

[Redress]

Jfuh, I mentioned I hate the UAW(and happily voted against them when they tried to move in where I work), and you hit on a part of the reason. I once went to a part sort at a GM plant in Columbus, and got to watch workers who could finish their quota in about 2 hours, but had to make it stretch out to 8, because going overquota was just something they did not do.

 

[Navy Pride]

Actually it has little to do with size of the car but more to do with the design of the safety cage of the car.
A 5 star crash rated car will always be safer than a 1 star car.
If you want a safe car drive a volvo not a truck - they'll assist you in preventing an accident the first case - ie less momentum to deal with for more effective braking performance.

To say the size of the vehicle has nothing to do with the safety is ludicrous............

Ok I will take a Humvee and you take a VW in a collision...........I will take the Humvee every time............

 

[danarhea]

Why? What reason do you see for auto unions(and I hate the UAW, I am not blindly defending them here) to be against increased MPG? Do you have a logical reason, or god forbid some actually evidence to back up that bizarre claim?

Unions are crap. Before I moved to Texas, I worked at Lear Siegler, troubleshooting AYN-1 and DC-130 navigational computers for the Air Force. I was in the UAW (No choice of mine - I either joined or I get fired).

One day, I was working on a DC-130, and needed a piece of test equipment. I got it from another station, and was fined $50.00 by the union. The rules are:

1) You have to call for a test equipment calibrator to take the screws out of the rack which holds the equipment in place.

2) You have to call for a lugger to move the equipment from where it is to your own work station.

3) You then have to call for another test equipment calibrator to screw the equipment in place.

Until you have done all of the steps 1-3, you are not allowed to use the piece of test equipment. So I broke union rules, and got fined. The only other alternative was to wait anywhere from 2 hours to a day and a half, sitting on my butt, and doing nothing. Want to know why some of our military stuff costs what it does? This is one reason.

That is not the worst of it either. Just before I quit Lear-Siegler and came to Houston to work for Texas Instruments, the union was getting ready to call a strike. During that time, workers took out ALL of the circuit boards for computers that were ready to be shipped to the military. The nav computers went out without any boards in them. Want to know the scary part? The military never sent them back. Lucky for me, a headhunter found me just before the strike began, and I quit and came to Texas (where you do not have to join a union if you don't want to). The last thing I told the shop steward before I went out the door was that he could take the UAW and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

After I got situated here in Houston, somebody in the UAW sent a copy of their members newspaper to the personnel office of Texas Instruments. It had a sticker with my name on it. This was an attempt by someone in the union to get me fired for telling them off. I ended up in a meeting with personnel at TI, along with the head of security, who asked me a lot of questions about my union affiliations. I told them the above story, and they all got a good laugh out of it. They sent the union back a scathing letter, complete with legal threats, for me. No copy of that union rag was ever sent there again.

I had my problems with Texas Instruments while I was there, but all in all, my time there was good, and I have no complaints. The guys up in Michigan, who stayed in the union, no doubt, ended up brain dead after a number of years, thinking of nothing other than their immediate repetitive tasks, and how they were going to screw the company. Sucks to be them. LOL.

 

[jfuh]

Jfuh, I mentioned I hate the UAW(and happily voted against them when they tried to move in where I work), and you hit on a part of the reason. I once went to a part sort at a GM plant in Columbus, and got to watch workers who could finish their quota in about 2 hours, but had to make it stretch out to 8, because going overquota was just something they did not do.

Good vote - this kind of bullshit is utterly.... bullshit. The practices of these unions today is downright, dare I say it, communist. Protectionism? Even if the US were the only market in the world these practices are still suicidal.
Let the free market work the way it's supposed to.
You're too lazy that you have to use 8 hours to make something anyone else only need 2? Fire that sorry arse.
The unions of today are nothing more than school yard bullies crippling our economy and forcing our companies overseas.
Walmart - non-unionized and look at the success.
Unions should be the overseers not the gatekeepers.

 

[disneydude]

looks like everything is related to oil...except the invasion of Iraq :shock:

I love how Navy Pride tries to blame the Democrats for the high gas prices.....while it is GWB and his oil buddies that are raking in record profits.

I take it you also believe that they will all be voting for Democrats in the fall....don't you Navy?

 

[jfuh]

To say the size of the vehicle has nothing to do with the safety is ludicrous............

Ok I will take a Humvee and you take a VW in a collision...........I will take the Humvee every time............

Personally I don't like cars made down in Mexico, I hope you'll permit me to have a small car of my choice which in this case would be a Honda Civic.

So Hummer:
IIHS-HLDI: Hummer H3
Average with high rollover rate

VS

Honda Civic
IIHS-HLDI: Honda Civic
Good on nearly every case. with no rollover worries.

Let's also address the fact that small cars because of their smaller momentum have a higher probability of accident avoidance than larger heavier cars.

So again, it's little to do with size (unless you get really big) but rather design.

Finally to point out your dishonesty, I didn't say it had nothing to do with size I said it had little to do with size, you are the one making the false accusation that I stated nothing for the purpose of making an argument.
You gonna address the points now or continue on the sound bites?