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A GaY Agenda ?



If YOU'RE gay, then I'm Saddam Hussein! The gay rights activists have done NOTHING more 'obnoxious' or 'garish' than ANY other civil rights movement in the country's history. You must be reading reports from 'focus on the family' or some other right wing militant terrorist network. You also failed to even give ONE example of how the gay movemnet has been 'obnoxious'. Just name 2 for me please.
 
Navy Pride said:
Anal Sex is considered sexual intercourse for gay males.............Why do you think they identify theirselves as tops and bottoms..........
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First of all, I'm gay and haven't had anal sex in YEARS. It is not even on the top of my list of things to do. I prefer oral sex and many other forms of sex play. Secondly, what does 'top' or 'bottom' have to do with anal sex????

What planet are you from?? Top and bottom refer to what sexual role a partner plays most of the time in the bedroom -- like dominant and submissive -- it doesn't refer to anal sex only -- dimwit!
 


LOL. I am a gay American citizen and I can tell you that there is no vast conspiracy to shove our way of life down anyone's throat. However I believe that we do deserve equall treatment under the law. For example, if someone beats a gay man because he's gay it is not considered a hate crime; I believe it should be considered a hate crime because of the definition of a hate crime. Another example is that in many cities across the U.S. you can be fired from your job if the employer finds out that you're gay. Now let me explain to you why civil unions are not enough. Civil unions do not allow for hospital visitation rights, they do not allow the partner to make decisions if the other is incapacitated even if that partner specified that they wanted their partner to make those decisions, civil unions are only recognized in the state you aquired it in so if you move to a different state the civil union is invalidated, etc. Only a marriage liscence guarentees all of those things. The constitution states that everyone deserves equall protection under the law...not just heterosexual people. Honestly, I don't see any reasonable reason why we should not be given these rights. The only reason I see is religious. I would remind you that the Bill of Rights states and I quote from the first Amendment "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..."
 

Why can't he be gay and have a difference of opinion with you? Why are you so intolerant? I know several gay people that disagree with you?
 

I don't care about what you have done.........You are the exception rather then the rule and you know that the primary way (Not the onlyu way) that most gay male engage in sex is anal intercourse..........

I don't profess to be and expert on it by I have been told by gay males that tops or bottoms was identified as if you are on the receiving or the giving end of anal intercourse............
 
LOL. I am a gay American citizen and I can tell you that there is no vast conspiracy to shove our way of life down anyone's throat.
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Only those that are promoting the Homosexual Agenda are the ones denying that it exists. The Vast Conspiracy is completely plotted out and strategized in "After The Ball: by homosexual psychological marketers Marshal Kirk and Madsen.

However I believe that we do deserve equall treatment under the law.
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Pedophiles and zoophiles say the same thing.

For example, if someone beats a gay man because he's gay it is not considered a hate crime; I believe it should be considered a hate crime because of the definition of a hate crime.
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You argue for equality, then the first words out of your mouth are speciual privileges. You countered your own argument.

Another example is that in many cities across the U.S. you can be fired from your job if the employer finds out that you're gay.
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Just like you can be fired for being a pedophiel or a zoophile.

Now let me explain to you why civil unions are not enough.
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Because you want America to affirm your perverse sexual ifestyle, THAT IS pushing your agenda down our throats, exactly what you claimed earlier homosexuals don't do!

Civil unions do not allow for hospital visitation rights,
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Nothing but subterfuge, it all has to do with recognition....with male homosexuals on average having over 1000 sexual partners throughout their lifetime, the marriage thing is a political scheme.....

The constitution states that everyone deserves equall protection under the law
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Yet you want SPECIAL protection under the flim flam guise of hate crime laws!

Honestly, I don't see any reasonable reason why we should not be given these rights.
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For the same reason we don't give special right sto other perverts like zoophiles, necrophiles, polygamists, etc.

The only reason I see is religious.[/quote

That is why homosexuals are silencing churches and anyone who opposes the homosexual agenda.
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You know the fact that moderators allow discussions of homosexual anal sex by homosexuals in spite of the forum rules is quite telling.....

Dude, you're grossing us all out with your disgusting sexual perversion talk...it is WAY more then we want to hear...take it back to your bathhouse of Gifting and Bug Chasing party and keep it to yourself.

yuck!
 
Navy Pride said:
Why can't he be gay and have a difference of opinion with you? Why are you so intolerant? I know several gay people that disagree with you?
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I'm not being intolerant. I just can't believe what you said without examples. Since didn't give any examples, I can only assume that you are speaking for people that you either know nothing about or you heard from terrorist groups like Focus on the Family and Jerry Falwell. You must not be too familiar with the Black Panthers or 60's feminists like Valerie Solanas (author of the 'SCUM [Society to Cut Up Men] Manifesto'). You know of gay rights activists that are more 'obnoxious' or 'garish'?? Please tell me which groups and how they are 'garish' as you say. I really haven't said a whole lot in this entire forum, how could 'several' gay people disagree??
 


How do you know I'm the 'exception'?? Do you go around and do SURVEYS??? And I can tell you from the gay males that I know (and unless you are gay and trying to hide it) I know a HELL of a lot more gay men than you, that 'Top' and 'bottom' do NOT necessarily refer to anal sex. And I'll guarantee you that when most gay men have sex it is NOT anal. I find that with almsot every partner I have it is oral -- and I meet a new partner at least twice a month -- in the past it was at least 3 a week -- times 34 years - you do the math..haha!!

"After my divorce, I scraped by with babysitting gigs and odd jobs. Mostly the jobs we call blow. I had lost my job at the base PX and I had lost my gag reflex, you do the math."
-Hedwig Schmidt-





 


I sincerely hope for all our sakes that you dont think your anecdotal and colorful evidence of your promiscuity helps out our cause at all.
 
"helps out our cause"...

What he is saying is that admiting to all your rampant, rampaging promiscuity with multiple anonymosu partners, you know, like a typical male homosexual, detracts from the Homosexual Agenda wherein they try to claim their rampant, rampagingn behavior is not so, that way they can try to mainstream themselves.....that tactic is in the Homosexual Agenda, Chapter 1, Verse 3:

"In the early stages of any campaign to reach straight America, the masses should not be shocked and repelled by premature exposure to homosexual behavior itself. Instead, the imagery of sex should be downplayed and gay rights should be reduced to an abstract social question as much as possible. First let the camel get his nose inside the tent--only later his unsightly derriere!"

That is EXACTLY why homosexuals downplay their rampant, rampaging behavior....all part of the scripted agenda....
 
"Do you know of any single person who has stated that they were straight with no attraction to the same sex, an attraction to the opposite sex and just decided to flip?" Quoted from Dezzad

Me. Now you know one. I never had feelings for men growing up. I went through a personal and philosophical epiphany and realized that people are people, and it doesn't matter what does or does not dangle betwixt their legs. A soul is forever, and souls have no sex. Love is an emotion, and has no sex. Lust is an emotion, and again, it has no sex. The body is the end result, not the start. Yes there is physical attraction, and yes, this can be trained or changed. Anyone that claims that a sexual orientation cannot be changed insults the willpower of a person. It isn't that someone can't be changed, it is that they don't want to. You can change your likes and dislikes. I couldn't stand drinking beer, but now I enjoy it. It takes time, and the desire to learn to like things. I used to love raw onions, now I can't stand them. People change.
Don't cry to me about all the persecution and abuse a gay person gets. We have built a society that has a martyr complex. A person goes through life in America EXPECTING people to do things for them, and to feel sorry for their plight in life, and to allow them to do whatever they want to do while placing the blame on something else. Be it abusive parents, a mean kindergarten teacher, Grand Theft Auto, or a neighborhood priest, it is ALWAYS someone else's fault. People want others to feel sorry for them. Oh woe is me, I'm gay and everyone hates me. Oh woe is me, my parents were abusive and now I like Mr. Winky. My great grandfather was an alcoholic, waahh.. so now I have to be. My second cousin is a drug addict, so now I can't help my self. Oh woe is me. We are the United States of Self Pity. Get over it. Gay people don't have corner on the market of being persecuted. Humanity is cruel. It always has been. Religious persecution (Crusades, suicide bombers), racial persecution (American Indians, slavery), and familial prejudice (royalty, criminal organizations) have always been around. People are naturally prejudiced of something or someone they cannot (or will not) relate to. It happens to everyone everyday.
Get down off the cross, honey, we need the wood.
 
jallman said:
I sincerely hope for all our sakes that you dont think your anecdotal and colorful evidence of your promiscuity helps out our cause at all.
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LOL, well said, that was shocking, I think I am actually blushing.:shock:
 
Just to be clear, here, your philosophical epiphany has allowed you to have an enjoy sex with the same sex? Did you have an attraction to women? Do you now?

Whatever your answers, my case is only slightly weakened. If we are to accept your anecdote, we should give equal weight to the anecdotes of those who find your special ability impossible for themselves.

Gay people are not asking others to feel sorry for them, at least not when they are saying that sexual orientation cannot be chosen. They are saying that if orientation could be chosen, gay people wouldn't have chosen it, due to these persecutions. Despite the best efforts of homophobes to make being gay uncomfortable, people still are gay. And if it was something people just decided one day (as you claim you did), then gay people wouldn't even be around. It is but one piece of the evidence.
 
jallman said:
I sincerely hope for all our sakes that you dont think your anecdotal and colorful evidence of your promiscuity helps out our cause at all.
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Straight people are way kinky and promiscuous as well. Just go look at some of the straight porn you can find. It's quite, um, telling.
 


You want examples?! Here you go, enjoy.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41972

http://www.narth.com/docs/sueschool.html
"Haley is talking to the American Civil Liberties Union about pursuing a law suit against the school unless all teachers are required to go through anti-homophobia training."

http://www.narth.com/docs/massachusetts.html

http://www.taxtyranny.ca/images/HTML/GayWatch/Articles/hopevspride.pdf

http://www.actupny.org/documents/CDdocuments/CDindex.html
"ACT UP is a diverse, non-partisan group of individuals united in anger
and committed to direct action to end the AIDS crisis"

http://www.projinf.org/news/00_11actuppr.html
"will prohibit ACT UP/SF members from continuing to stalk, physically assault and verbally threaten Project Inform employees. ACT UP/SF has been engaged in a media campaign claiming that AIDS is over, HIV does not cause AIDS, and urging people not to use anti-HIV therapies"

http://www.actupny.org/reports/rnc_nyc-inside.html
"The activists stripped off their outer shirts to reveal t-shirts emblazoned with “Bush lies. Stop Aids. Drop the debt now.” Chanting the same message and blowing whistles, the activists succeeded in disrupting Card a minute into his speech. Many of today’s participants were part of the group who “bared all” in front of Madison Square Garden last Thursday pressing for changes in the Bush Administration’s AIDS policies."
 
Dezaad said:
Straight people are way kinky and promiscuous as well. Just go look at some of the straight porn you can find. It's quite, um, telling.
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Oh I know, yall some freaky deaky ones. But I got one question that has always been mysterious to me about straight porn...What the hell is straight peoples' deal with Ron Jeremy?
 
jallman said:
Oh I know, yall some freaky deaky ones. But I got one question that has always been mysterious to me about straight porn...What the hell is straight peoples' deal with Ron Jeremy?
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He's ugly on purpose, it makes the guys watching think they have a chance at that strange as well. It's a mind f**k as well as the other, no doubt about it.
 
jallman said:
I sincerely hope for all our sakes that you dont think your anecdotal and colorful evidence of your promiscuity helps out our cause at all.
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I don't speak for a cause other than one of freedom. Keep your 'morality' to yourself. Promiscuity and sexual stamina are moral traits of a healthy body. When we obstain we deny our true Nature, which is blasphemy in itself. I am a deeply Spiritual individual, and as one who seeks to walk with God, I must be honest wth God by being my true self -- not the 'false-self' that relgion and ideology want us to invent for ourselves. Fundamentalism and mind-numbing monotheistic archetypes do not answer to God, but rather a cruel, senile deliquent designed to envelop those who heed it in hatred for others.
Those who decide what everyone will do grow rich because the decisions are made in their interests.
 
jallman said:
Oh I know, yall some freaky deaky ones. But I got one question that has always been mysterious to me about straight porn...What the hell is straight peoples' deal with Ron Jeremy?
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But you MUST admit, he's got a beautiful penis!!

I met him once at a party in Hollywood -- really nice guy!!
 


I really like the idea of 'queer by choice' -- in fact there is a web site that is dedicated to this ideal. But I honestly believe that MOST gay men WERE in fact born gay. I think that there are many that are bisexual - and you certainly would fit that category. My ex-roomie was bisexual like you. He grew up being attracted to women and then changed his mind at one point and started being exclusivly with same-sex. It IS very hard for me to understand because I have never experienced an attraction to either sex. But to suggest it is 'willpower' is not true -- what you should have said (to be fair to all) is that YOU are ABLE to make that choice -- it's like the whole lie of 'reparative therapy'. These clinics claim that they can create 'Ex gays' -- but in EVERY single case that has been followed, the subject either did not have sex at all -- and identified as an 'ex-gay' or was not successful. And in the MINISCULE occasions that the person had an opposit sex relationship -- it ended in DISASTER. I think this is very destructive and harmful for children too who may get involved with such eruptive 'straight/ex-gay' relationships. I've witnessed the gay man who had a wife and kids all too often end in hurt feelings and children that end up missing one parent.

It MAY be a matter of 'willpower' for you, but willpower is not a very happy way to live -- it's especially proven with drug addiction (which I am recovering from for quite a while now) -- almost every case in which the addict did not replace the substance with SOMETHING, they were not successful in remaining drug-free.
 


Oh come on! Gay or Bi is about 20%! That is hardly 'abnormal'. And I also believe that if someone does NOT support the idea of gay marriage, they are simply prejudiced. Children of gay parents are exposed to a very diverse crowd of people, and even studies done have shown that they are just as healthy emotionally as the next kid. Suggesting that a male and female for parents as the 'best' family type is a very prejudiced view as well. Single parents, (either straight or gay) have children that are just as 'normal' as any other, and that is proven in studies as well. But the most bogus argument against gay marriage is always that it 'subverts the sanctity' which is ridiculous and almost laughable. And if gay marriage were banned by an amendment it would set a precedent for being the first law that takes rights AWAY from people. Marriage IS a civil right, and it is NOT a religious right -- and even if it was, there are a lot of gay Christians that would be exposed to certain hypocrisy if a church said that they could not marry there, but they would let an adulterer or a fornicator marry in it.

So really, there is no real argument against gay marriage that is not based on a biased and bigoted ideology.
 
"It MAY be a matter of 'willpower' for you, but willpower is not a very happy way to live -- it's especially proven with drug addiction (which I am recovering from for quite a while now) -- almost every case in which the addict did not replace the substance with SOMETHING, they were not successful in remaining drug-free." Quoted from Sissy-boy.

Replacing a vice with another vice is merely a crutch, and you have not changed anything but the severity of the substance abuse. Willpower is the only way to truly change who you are, and what you are addicted to. You must find within yourself the power we all have, tap into that, and decide to not be slave to a substance or ideal. It is possible. Addicts are constantly being told of the evils of a substance, when in all actuality, the "evil" is within us. I've been to an Alcoholic's Anonymous meeting and that has to be the worse way to stop being an alcoholic! Those people depressed me so badly with the things that alcohol did their lives. I have never had the desire to drink so badly as I did that night. It was unreal. A bottle of beer, a gram of coke, a pound of weed, these things are in-animate objects and cannot ruin your life. YOU (and that is a generic "you")ruin your life by indulging in these things without responsibility. "Gun's don't kill people, people kill people."
Having an "addictive personality" is synonymous with "weak willed". It is an excuse, a justification to live as you want to without taking responsibility for an action.
If I can effect such a change with willpower, I know others can. It is possible. Never underestimate the human ability to adapt and overcome. You must have the desire to do that. Most people do not. They enjoy living in a place where they can place the blame for the "evil" in their lives on other people or objects. It is a place free of the guilt of responsibility.
 


But all you've proven is that you don't understand the nature of addiction. I was a heroin addict for 12 years. That was DAILY use every day. I got clean by CHANGING my habits and doing things much differently -- by Spirituality and mainly the things that I loved all along -- art and music. Those were the things that I did not do when I was using, and there were many other things that I refused to look at and deal with as an addict. Scars from my past childhood, years growing up, family, etc. Until I dealt with all of these head on, I was miserable and without peace. Since I"ve dealt with them I have no fears -- EVER -- it's the 'letting go' part of 12 step programs that work so well and have led so many others to become happy and productive people. Do I go to AA or NA now? Not addictively. But I go once in a while -- about once a week.

But I don't believe that sheer willpower can work for people caught in the DISEASE (AMA), of addiction, and when it does (sometimes for many years) -- many of the cases are unsuccessful, my point is that unless the AILMENT is treated (and the ailment is NOT just the 'disease' part in most cases) the addict will not get clean and be happy. I did it myself for quite a long time and even after months and months of the 'willpower' method, I was miserable because the 'void' was not filled with anything.

So, I'm curious: Are you an alcoholic?? Did you deal with problems as they cam up? Did you replace addiction with something else?? (and I DON'T mean replacing it with something dangerous-- as you mentioned in your reply).

But, back to the thread at hand, addiction has NOTHING to do with homosexuality. Unless the gay or straight person is a sex addict too -- which there IS help for as well. But 'willpower' will not change your sexual orientation -- and WHY even try?? There is nothing wrong with sex in the first place, even HETERO sex.. haha!

 
"My personal experience is correct!"
"No, mine is!"

Oy vey.
 
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