Harry Guerrilla
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Competition is not the natural end product of capitalism however. Capitalism throughout history has shown a tendency to centralize. Furthermore, corporations have always had a tendency to conspire together. Whatever creates a profit will be the end result of a system that promotes only profit. Thus scarcity is good for capitalism.
No, I don't believe you did.I'm someone who values the positive that any ideology brings.
There are some real, good things that are naturally imbued in socialism, cooperativeness/mutual aid being one.
I didn't say, socialism is horridly wrong,
Well, I don't believe that any ideology can provide an entire and undiluted praxis for a state to implement. No socialist state could ever exist that didn't display some aspects of other ideologies, just as no capitalist state can exist without doing so too. Purity is for fanatics and dreamers.I even later argued that it could exist, if we can find a way to reduce/end scarcity.
Which for me, would be just dandy.
I think I've said this before, I believe that capitalism, enables the potential for socialism to exist.
Not because capitalism fails, but because it succeeds.
Perhaps, but I'd argue that few if any of those systems were Nazi inventions, nor that any of them emerged from Nazi ideology. You have an example that might convince me otherwise?Two points of contention though, with your examples.
Today, I'd argue that most developed nations run on a modified system, that the Nazi's used.
I agree. Germany has given the world many ideas and examples.In fact, pre Nazi Germany (not the Wiemar republic, but the Prussian Empire) was the originator of many modern government functions.
The CSA never fully operated as an independent government, in my opinion.
Well, I don't believe that any ideology can provide an entire and undiluted praxis for a state to implement. No socialist state could ever exist that didn't display some aspects of other ideologies, just as no capitalist state can exist without doing so too. Purity is for fanatics and dreamers.
Perhaps, but I'd argue that few if any of those systems were Nazi inventions, nor that any of them emerged from Nazi ideology. You have an example that might convince me otherwise?
I agree. Germany has given the world many ideas and examples.
Sorry but I don't ascribe to that belief system.
That's not a belief system, those are facts...
We'll have to disagree then.
To me it's a belief system, otherwise all there would be is single companies or cartels, for every industry.
And I don't particularly feel like debating this today.
I suspect I'm as sceptical about the efficiency and desirability of big state government as you are. In fact, I'm pretty much against the concept of the nation state per se.Definitely.
We just may approach things from different prospective.
I think the state should, generally, be the last choice for change, in terms of institutions (health care, some other things).
You may think the latter.
I'm not sure I'm knowledgable enough to know what innovations in that field can be credited to the Nazis. I'll take your word for it that some are.The bureaucracy was really formalized in Prussia and Nazi Germany.
AKA, Scientific management of government.
Excellent costumes for S&M theme parties might be another. :2razz:Yep, let me say that even though Hitler (and all his minions) were complete dip ****s.
There were some good things that came from Nazi Germany, rocket propulsion being one.
I suspect I'm as sceptical about the efficiency and desirability of big state government as you are. In fact, I'm pretty much against the concept of the nation state per se.
That's not to suggest that I believe that all the areas of activity that states often engage in are ones that I'd be happy to leave to private enterprise. I think that public ownership, enterprise and endeavour on behalf of and involving the direct participation of the people is essential, especially in relation to things that private enterprise are poor at or which might be severely damaged by the sole operation of the profit motive.
I think education, health, welfare, defence, law and order, environmental protection, to mention just six, require direct democratic oversight. I just happen to believe that modern liberal representative democracy on the nation state level is pretty much inimical to direct democratic oversight.
I'm not sure I'm knowledgable enough to know what innovations in that field can be credited to the Nazis. I'll take your word for it that some are.
Excellent costumes for S&M theme parties might be another. :2razz:
Capitalism supports scarcity as scarcity produces profit.
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