A Congressional Investigation Is A Necessity

I don't think we can get any more basic with "Law and "Order" than a possible hijacking of presidential powers in the United States.

I saw this firsthand as I was just entering military service when Former President Nixon had to resign. Luckily, that investigation was bi-partisan in nature and I think that is essential in this case, as well.

It is obvious that something was very wrong within the Biden Administration and to deny that because of party loyalty is simply careless. I wrote "something" because the exact nature of what was going on is only slowly being dribbled out in books meant to make money, but the pieces are like a puzzle that we all watched last year and the year before, but allowed our party affiliation to blind us to what was happening.

This is a situation where the nation needs answers, no matter what your political beliefs may be. This is a situation where "Law and Order" at the highest office is the issue. If the "Law" was followed and no wrong doing took place, let us see that result brought before the public in a bi-partisan manner.

if something bad did happen, we also should be informed, BUT be careful of what follows that finding.

Either way, an investigation is going to be needed.

You see what Trump is doing and you want the Biden administration investigated.

medi said:

I don't think we can get any more basic with "Law and "Order" than a possible hijacking of presidential powers in the United States.

I saw this firsthand as I was just entering military service when Former President Nixon had to resign. Luckily, that investigation was bi-partisan in nature and I think that is essential in this case, as well.

It is obvious that something was very wrong within the Biden Administration and to deny that because of party loyalty is simply careless. I wrote "something" because the exact nature of what was going on is only slowly being dribbled out in books meant to make money, but the pieces are like a puzzle that we all watched last year and the year before, but allowed our party affiliation to blind us to what was happening.

This is a situation where the nation needs answers, no matter what your political beliefs may be. This is a situation where "Law and Order" at the highest office is the issue. If the "Law" was followed and no wrong doing took place, let us see that result brought before the public in a bi-partisan manner.

if something bad did happen, we also should be informed, BUT be careful of what follows that finding.

Either way, an investigation is going to be needed.

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How did you personally suffer because of Biden's alleged incompetence?

Oh brother!
How many Biden threads have we had since the cancer diagnosis?
Is this the 7th or the 17th? I have lost count.

In each of the previous ones, those of a particular political persuasion were rubbing their hands in glee. Oh, they expressed a few words of empathy, usually empty ones, but focused almost entirely on "THERE WAS A CONSPRICY."

On those previous threads I stated that YES, likely there was a coverup of Biden's illness. And YES, that coverup is going to hurt the Dems in the short term polling-wise. But when a family suffers this kind of news, no matter ex-President or the guy down the block, I prefer to show empathy rather than gloat.

AND MAKE NO MISTAKE - a lot of Righties are gloating. NOW some want an "investigation", anything so they can smear the Biden name, get their "revenge" for Biden winning the 2020 election and to own the libs.

If any Rightie on here wants to argue that no, we just want the truth, it's not like the rest of us didn't read your comments and your attacks on the previous threads. It was disgusting then and it is disgusting now.

I mean, to what end? You gonna jail Joe? His wife? His family? His doctors? THE ONLY REASON for an investigation is to rile up the base, to create a narrative of how awful the Biden Crime Family was, and hopefully create some doubt before the midterms.

Here is my guess: An investigation will come across as petty, vindictive, and empty-hearted. Remember, investigating Trump actually made him MORE POPULAR. Now you Righties want to create the same circumstances of chasing after shadows just to "own the libs" and end up looking like vindictive and nasty people in the eyes of the voting public.

Hmmm, now I think about it, go for it!!

I hope what happened in the Executive Offices during one or two of the latter years of the Biden Administration had nothing to do with the cancer trouble he has.

And the question of how it might have had an affect upon my person; it is my native land. My country. If somebody hijacks my president's power and hides that from me, I am going to do something like I have done right here; start a discussion of the matter.

I don't know about those other six or seven threads cited, but I used two search terms - "treason" and "investigation" - - and checked the list of "New Threads" and found nothing on this topic of a need for a congressional investigation; a bi-partisan investigation.

Loulit01 said:

You see what Trump is doing and you want the Biden administration investigated.

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One investigation at a time, please. Follow chronological order.

medi said:

One investigation at a time, please. Follow chronological order.

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Then we should start with Trump's first term.

What is to be investigated exactly, or do you just want an investigation into everything and see if you can find anything AKA a witch hunt?

medi said:

I don't think we can get any more basic with "Law and "Order" than a possible hijacking of presidential powers in the United States.

I saw this firsthand as I was just entering military service when Former President Nixon had to resign. Luckily, that investigation was bi-partisan in nature and I think that is essential in this case, as well.

It is obvious that something was very wrong within the Biden Administration and to deny that because of party loyalty is simply careless. I wrote "something" because the exact nature of what was going on is only slowly being dribbled out in books meant to make money, but the pieces are like a puzzle that we all watched last year and the year before, but allowed our party affiliation to blind us to what was happening.

This is a situation where the nation needs answers, no matter what your political beliefs may be. This is a situation where "Law and Order" at the highest office is the issue. If the "Law" was followed and no wrong doing took place, let us see that result brought before the public in a bi-partisan manner.

if something bad did happen, we also should be informed, BUT be careful of what follows that finding.

Either way, an investigation is going to be needed.

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What will it accomplish other than waste, fraud and abuse? Is defying the supreme court a part of law and order?

medi said:

I don't think we can get any more basic with "Law and "Order" than a possible hijacking of presidential powers in the United States.

I saw this firsthand as I was just entering military service when Former President Nixon had to resign. Luckily, that investigation was bi-partisan in nature and I think that is essential in this case, as well.

It is obvious that something was very wrong within the Biden Administration and to deny that because of party loyalty is simply careless. I wrote "something" because the exact nature of what was going on is only slowly being dribbled out in books meant to make money, but the pieces are like a puzzle that we all watched last year and the year before, but allowed our party affiliation to blind us to what was happening.

This is a situation where the nation needs answers, no matter what your political beliefs may be. This is a situation where "Law and Order" at the highest office is the issue. If the "Law" was followed and no wrong doing took place, let us see that result brought before the public in a bi-partisan manner.

if something bad did happen, we also should be informed, BUT be careful of what follows that finding.

Either way, an investigation is going to be needed.

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Fat chance. Congress hasn't done a damn thing in decades to curtail the rampant and ongoing abuse of presidential authority. Every president, Democratic or Republican, has worked to expand their own personal power at the expense of the legislature, and Congress has done nothing. So why the hell would they start now?

bongsaway said:

What will it accomplish other than waste, fraud and abuse? Is defying the supreme court a part of law and order?

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There is this thing called "precedent" and that vocabulary is especially useful to folks that are intent on doing bad stuff. Now why you injected SCOTUS into this, I don't know.

But, back to "precedent" and the idea that a group can cover for a POTUS by making the electorate believe that the POTUS is taking care of all manner of things that are the POTUS responsibility - - - well, that has happened once before that is rather easily found in history books. Might have happened in the Reagan Administration for a short period of time.

This time, though, the consequences are the need for a cleaning up that this nation has not had to see in a very long time. If ever. The "court" is still out on that one; not the SCOTUS one, by the way.

Irredentist said:

Fat chance. Congress hasn't done a damn thing in decades to curtail the rampant and ongoing abuse of presidential authority. Every president, Democratic or Republican, has worked to expand their own personal power at the expense of the legislature, and Congress has done nothing. So why the hell would they start now?

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You've got a very, very good point there.

Why they might start now, though, is because this very investigation could give the Democratic Party the break they badly need. Like I was just writing elsewhere, and you might be able to find "elsewhere" I was asking Senator Schumer about "When?" and "What?" and this very thread could be an answer for him and his colleagues. I was asking him after quoting him, by the way. Might help you find that.

medi said:

There is this thing called "precedent" and that vocabulary is especially useful to folks that are intent on doing bad stuff. Now why you injected SCOTUS into this, I don't know.

But, back to "precedent" and the idea that a group can cover for a POTUS by making the electorate believe that the POTUS is taking care of all manner of things that are the POTUS responsibility - - - well, that has happened once before that is rather easily found in history books. Might have happened in the Reagan Administration for a short period of time.

This time, though, the consequences are the need for a cleaning up that this nation has not had to see in a very long time. If ever. The "court" is still out on that one; not the SCOTUS one, by the way.

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Don't talk about precedent while this president is in office, it only makes you sound foolish. When is trump going to show us his tax returns so we know he isn't negatively involved with other countries?

medi said:

One investigation at a time, please. Follow chronological order.

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There are several committees in Congress that could contribute to your goal of investigation. The FBI is still here and they could investigate also. I don't think there's been an example of doing investigations one at a time, as in waiting to finish one before starting another. I don't think that's standard practice at all. I say this because it's worse to turn a blind eye to crimes committed more recently if we have to conclude investigations of the past before looking at more recent events. It's just not done that way.

Why are you saying "One investigation at a time, please"? What's your intent?

If you are aware of the case with USAID, two judges have accused the administration of not following court orders. Would you say the courts are infringing on his authority, or is the judicial branch intended on a check on the abuse of power?

In the current partisan split in Congress, and the lack of an independent Inspector General, who would investigate trump? Really, I'm asking, who would investigate trump?

I was just referring to that idea to investigate the Trump Administration in an equal manner to what I am proposing here. Not multiple investigations of this case here in this thread, which is essentially who was running the Executive branch, IF President Biden was not.

As to who could investigate any POTUS, I think that is the job of Congress, no?

medi said:

I was just referring to that idea to investigate the Trump Administration in an equal manner to what I am proposing here. Not multiple investigations of this case here in this thread, which is essentially who was running the Executive branch, IF President Biden was not.

As to who could investigate any POTUS, I think that is the job of Congress, no?

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Thanks for the reply. Yes, it could be congress. The FBI has had several investigations of presidents, usually through the appointment of a special council. Which is an important point. A special counsel is only productive if he or she is accepted as impartial. One important one was Archibald Cox. He was followed by Leon Jaworski. However, by the time Mueller was appointed this had been abandoned. Mueller served in the military, he was a life-long Republican and still he was slandered for presenting the evidence of obstruction.

I would ask you to consider that the Partisan nature of Congress presently prevents any investigation of trump for fear of retribution. THe FBI and the DOJ are filled with partisan loyalists and I don't see any reason they would defy trump and honestly investigate anything. The courts have denied his executive orders, particularly concerning birthright changes, but it's not clear the judicial rulings will be honored.

So I will declare my position on this topic. this is simple. If the evidence is there, and due process is afforded, we must be able to know what our presidents do.

medi said:

I was just referring to that idea to investigate the Trump Administration in an equal manner to what I am proposing here. Not multiple investigations of this case here in this thread, which is essentially who was running the Executive branch, IF President Biden was not.

As to who could investigate any POTUS, I think that is the job of Congress, no?

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Congress has no power over a past POTUS.

ttwtt78640 said:

Congress has no power over a past POTUS.

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Now that is quite interesting. I appreciate the information. Funny, too, I should have been informed of that by somebody else about 6 or so hours ago. I wonder why he didn't instruct me on that point? Very strange. But thank you for that information.

medi said:

Now that is quite interesting. I appreciate the information. Funny, too, I should have been informed of that by somebody else about 6 or so hours ago. I wonder why he didn't instruct me on that point? Very strange. But thank you for that information.

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The (maximum) penalty for impeachment ‘guilt’ is removal from office, making impeachment moot once a POTUS is no longer in office. I suppose one could argue it would also prevent an impeached POTUS from seeking re-election, but there’s no reason to think Joe “Where am I?” Biden would ever run for POTUS again.

ttwtt78640 said:

The (maximum) penalty for impeachment ‘guilt’ is removal from office, making impeachment moot once a POTUS is no longer in office. I suppose one could argue it would also prevent an impeached POTUS from seeking re-election, but there’s no reason to think Joe “Where am I?” Biden would ever run for POTUS again.

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Your post prompted me to make an unwelcomed phone call to a staff member and she informed me the charge they were discussing was treason, against others; nothing directly restricted to Former President Biden.

medi said:

I don't think we can get any more basic with "Law and "Order" than a possible hijacking of presidential powers in the United States.

I saw this firsthand as I was just entering military service when Former President Nixon had to resign. Luckily, that investigation was bi-partisan in nature and I think that is essential in this case, as well.

It is obvious that something was very wrong within the Biden Administration and to deny that because of party loyalty is simply careless. I wrote "something" because the exact nature of what was going on is only slowly being dribbled out in books meant to make money, but the pieces are like a puzzle that we all watched last year and the year before, but allowed our party affiliation to blind us to what was happening.

This is a situation where the nation needs answers, no matter what your political beliefs may be. This is a situation where "Law and Order" at the highest office is the issue. If the "Law" was followed and no wrong doing took place, let us see that result brought before the public in a bi-partisan manner.

if something bad did happen, we also should be informed, BUT be careful of what follows that finding.

Either way, an investigation is going to be needed.

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In normal times (pre-Trump) I might agree with you. But the current Congress is led by incompetent clowns so I can't agree.

medi said:

Your post prompted me to make an unwelcomed phone call to a staff member and she informed me the charge they were discussing was treason, against others; nothing directly restricted to Former President Biden.

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The (specific “high crime or misdemeanor”) charge doesn’t matter, since congress only has the power to impeach.

ttwtt78640 said:

The (specific “high crime or misdemeanor”) charge doesn’t matter, since congress only has the power to impeach.

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Yes, and I was just poking through some material we were going over much earlier today and I am seeing flaws I should have caught before I started this thread. BUT I think that Congress has investigating powers to find information AND then they pass that to the courts to deal with. BUT I obviously missed some important points earlier in my day and it is getting close to my bedtime and that means the night's medicine which doesn't help my brain work so good. I might be able to get back to this in my tomorrow, but that is yet to be determined by a couple of unrelated events. I kind of feel like when I ran low on fuel and had to land at the nearest LZ and everyone was pissed off at myself and my crew to cause an extra bird needing a guard detail all night.

medi said:

Yes, and I was just poking through some material we were going over much earlier today and I am seeing flaws I should have caught before I started this thread. BUT I think that Congress has investigating powers to find information AND then they pass that to the courts to deal with. BUT I obviously missed some important points earlier in my day and it is getting close to my bedtime and that means the night's medicine which doesn't help my brain work so good. I might be able to get back to this in my tomorrow, but that is yet to be determined by a couple of unrelated events. I kind of feel like when I ran low on fuel and had to land at the nearest LZ and everyone was pissed off at myself and my crew to cause an extra bird needing a guard detail all night.

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There seems to be little point in alleging unauthorized (criminal?) use of the autopen (by others), since that would rely on Joe “Where am I?” Biden ‘remembering’ precisely which uses (by others) of the autopen were/weren’t authorized (by him).

You're getting into pretty complicated weeds here. We all grow older differently. There is no real line one crosses that determines they are incapable of functioning at a high level. And other than his disastrous debate, I didn't see much of that.

So an investigation would have to target certain behavior, how certain people responded to it and were they in a position to do anything about it.

That's a pretty tall order.

I would be surprised if the Republicans didn't investigate this fir campaign fodder. But I doubt it will resolve much.