Proudly Pro Life JP Freem
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So you are blabbering 30 lines of irrelevant stuff for that question? If the woman doesn't want to carry the pregnancy to term, she can abort. The reason is none of your business.Proudly Pro Life JP Freem said:OK I guess we have to debate something so Do you think if a child is handicap that should be a reason to abort.
Aurora151989 said:steen and vergiss, back off would you?
I believe a child should not be aborted solely because it is handicapped. Now, if the reason is because the mother is a drug addict, then maybe yes. Note I said maybe.
Aurora151989 said:We can have laws that charge the mother, but if we do that it gets excessive. Go to a restaurant and breathe in second hand smoke, you've assaulted your baby. You don't know if you're pregnant and drink some wine, you're guilty of assault. etc etc etc. I agree that we should get the mom some help, but i have had only bad experiences with down syndrome kids. ie.. inappropriate touching, bad behavior.
Clubfoot is not a genetic defect, it only results from being cramped in the womb.
Proudly Pro Life JP Freem said:That was the only thing wrong with her when she was born?
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001228.htm
Proudly Pro Life JP Freem said:So instead of getting Mom help we abort the child? Punish the child by death because of crimes committed by the Mom? Why not have laws that will charge the Mom with assualt of the Baby. If the baby dies as a result of her drug abuse man slaughter charges or murder charges? Handicap kids are great I once coached a soccer team made up of mentally retarded kids, we had alot of fun. Each of their parents loved those kids, and consider them as very special gifts. Today these kids are routinely aborted, not given a chance to show how special they really are. A friend of mine lost 2 premature babies, they got pregnant again, an Amio was done it showed a genetic defect. Doctors could not tell how it would affect the baby. My friend & hiis wife after thinking about abortion decided to put it in God"s hands. Today the are celebrating Christmas with a beautiful 13 yr old daughter, It turn out the genetic defect was a club foot something easily corrected. What a merry christmas they are having. So today I wish everyone a Merry Christmas a Happy Hanukuh (Pardon me if I spelled it wrong)Good Health and happiness for the new year. God Bless
Proudly Pro Life JP Freem said:So instead of getting Mom help we abort the child? Punish the child by death because of crimes committed by the Mom? Why not have laws that will charge the Mom with assualt of the Baby. If the baby dies as a result of her drug abuse man slaughter charges or murder charges?
CoffeeSaint said:We let the mother choose what she wants to do with her own body, and her own child. You are welcome to love all children you come in contact with; I personally do not. I do not want to have children. I'm married, but my wife also does not want any children. Can you mandate that I must have children? If not, why should you be able to do it for any woman?
FISHX said:I commend the work that you do with the disabled and the handicaped but can,t help wondering do you call these children retarded in front of thier parents?
Such a derogatory word for such preciouse children.
Aurora151989 said:adoption........
to coffeesaint, i'm sure you and your wife use birthcontrol to prevent pregnancies, perhaps one of you is neutered lol.
CoffeeSaint said:Is it any of your business (Not angry when I say that.)? Is it any of the government's business? Should you, or the government, have the right to tell my wife and I to stop using birth control, or undo our "neutering," or whatever, so we can have kids, who we could then give up for adoption if we didn't want to raise them?
FISHX said:That is still pretty low i know as a mother of a mentaly and physically disabled child i would be highly offended at the word retarded even with the word mental in front of it.
Proudly Pro Life JP Freem said:I am sorry if I offended you that was not my intention. On the contrary I was pointing out how special these kids are. I hope God Besses you and your child. I know you know how special your child is, and that is why you took offense. So much Love I admire that and I know your child feels it and knows what Mom is doing. Again Merry Christmas God Bless you and your family.
Okay, so you would allow married couples to have an abortion if they didn't want to have kids, but not single people? Or is that you're offering adoption as the alternative, to everybody? Do you believe that children born with disabilities have a reasonable chance of being adopted? You have been around children with Down's Syndrome; have you been around kids with fetal alcohol syndrome? Would you recommend that an alcoholic woman bear that child to term and then give it up for adoption?Aurora151989 said:nobody has the right to tell anybody what to do. However my little brain always looks for alternatives. When people get married, one of the first things they should do beforehand is to see if they BOTH do or don't want kids. If they disagree, they probably shouldn't get married. What i'm talking about is single mothers and fathers. NOT married couples.
CoffeeSaint said:We let the mother choose what she wants to do with her own body, and her own child. You are welcome to love all children you come in contact with; I personally do not. I do not want to have children. I'm married, but my wife also does not want any children. Can you mandate that I must have children? If not, why should you be able to do it for any woman?
Proudly Pro Life JP Freem said:Birth Control at least 2 methods, vesectomy or having tubes tied would be methods. Abortion should not be used as birth control. Finally if it happens adoption is an option. judjing by the tone of your post you feel the woman can do anything she wants with the child? That is pretty disturbing
CoffeeSaint said:I know how to prevent birth; my question was, can you mandate that I MUST have children? Let me just add that my wife and I are both intelligent, healthy, and financially secure enough to raise kids; we'd probably be good parents, though we have never had kids, so who knows? Assuming that we would, in fact, be good parents, should we be forced to have children? If we couldn't have any of our own, should we be forced to adopt?
And what's so disturbing about allowing a woman to control her own body? If we do not want a woman's choices to determine the fate of a child, we need to find a way to remove a living fetus from a woman who doesn't want to be pregnant; until we do that, the only option available to a woman is abortion. I find it much more disturbing that you care so much about a child's happiness, and so little about a woman's freedom. Why are children so much better than women?
FISHX said:Thats ok hun i am just hyper sensitive around that word and you are so right my little man is soooooo special and such a jolly little man.
Happy christmas to you and yours.
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