FISHX said:
Expected nothing more nothing less
Madame, you imply that I shrink from your debate due to fear, or perhaps a failing on my part to recognize the righteousness of your position? Oh, well then, I declare my debating dignity to have been impugned, and I hereby take up your challenge.
First: None of the links you presented offer any proof; they are a collection of speculation and cobbled-together nonsense. The GRTL link takes as its evidence an article written in 1999 by a woman I have never heard of, for a publication I have never heard of; nowhere does it offer any objective evidence. the second is a rant published by a columnist, iun which he asserts that Congress defeated the partial-birth abortion ban becuase they were seduced by the lucrative fetal organ trade; again, no proof. The third is a request for action on the part of right-to-life groups against a possible legislative action by Congress in 1999; perhaps this is out of date? Even if it were current, it offers no proof; it states that the House agreed to hear evidence against 5 companies that were offering fetal tissue for sale. There is no indication that those companies were, in fact, doing this; it asks supporters to lobby for a law banning this practice. So at the time, selling fetal tissue was not even illegal, was it?
Onward: The fourth references a British newspaper story about a Ukrainian company, which surely has little to do with abortion in the U.S.
The fifth links to Michael Savage, a liar with no proof of anything he has ever said, to my knowledge; this is no exception, as he offers nothing, not even a link.
The sixth at last reveals where all of these people seem to be getting their information, since I saw the same "price list" on at least three of these links. This article (written by a former employee of Ollie North, isn't that fun?) describes an "investigation" by a Texas right-to-life group, which supposedly produced a price list and a brochure, along with a 15-minute sales video, after an exhaustive 2-year undercover operation. Of course, this investigation was not into Planned Parenthood, but into a group that ostensibly sold body parts to any buyer, clearly a violation of federal law according to the article. And yet, this right-to-life organization did not turn this information over to the federal government so that these heinous men could be prosecuted, but to -- a website. I find that highly dubious. And again, I am just supposed to believe these allegations; the link offers no proof, no evidence, beyond the word of the author.
Ah, the seventh link! At last, something somewhat credible, though this article also references the same price list, obtained by the same right-to-life group about the same organization, which apparently no longer exists except in the minds of other right-to-life groups (Try Googling "Opening Lines," the ostensible name of the oganization. Then add "fetal body parts"). But this link also refers to AGF, a real organization with an actual website. Of course, this group only takes donated tissue, so apparently, your problem is with the idea that a non-profit organization that tries to facilitate the use of human remains for scientific research would accept the fetus donated by the mother.
And there is my personal view on this: once somebody is dead, what is done with their body makes no difference whatsoever. If you want to cook the bodies up and eat them, I personally would not participate, but it makes no never mind to me, if you are the legal arbiter of the fate of those remains. With an aborted fetus, the decision would rest with the mother; if she donates the body to science, more power to her; perhaps science could use those remains to discover proof that the fetus is thinking coherent thoughts after 1 week.
So are you against science? Or do you just believe anything you are told, by anyone who has an agenda and a website? If I told you that the aborted fetuses are all coming back to life tomorrow, would you believe me?
