A 2-year-old American girl has been left stateless after the Trump administration deported her alongside her family.

[braindrain]

They weren’t. If they had been ICE would be waiving the signed document all over the place

Still waiting for you to provide proof of this claim.
Strange how you are so witch to demand others to back up their claims but yet you keep rubbing from backing up yours.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Keeping children with their parents may not always be the right choice.

Separating children from their parents also sucks.

 

[ClaraD]

Keeping children with their parents may not always be the right choice.

Separating children from their parents also sucks.

Yes, it does, but the choice belongs 100% with the parents and not with ICE

 

[Metric Mouse]

No, her parents were deported.

Don't be a Donald!

Imagine if Brazil deported the child back to the US!

 

[ClaraD]

Imagine if Brazil deported the child back to the US!

Which they can elect to do

 

[Metric Mouse]

Which they can elect to do

Should they? Why don't they?

 

[ClaraD]

Should they? Why don't they?

You would have to ask Brazil that question. I suspect it’s because the government there is far more humane and empathetic than the US government right now

 

[Metric Mouse]

You would have to ask Brazil that question. I suspect it’s because the government there is far more humane and empathetic than the US government right now

What do you mean?

Do you mean that keeping the child in Brazil with their parents is more humane than separating them?

Wouldn't that mean that the right thing to do would be to keep the child with their parents?

 

[straykatz]

That is a slur. Do you aldo call people n**gers and kikes?

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Call it a slur if you like but babies have been used as anchors to allow illegal mothers to remain in this country - that is a fact! It is a loophole that should be addressed.

As for your ignorant question to me which comes across as some sort of undeserved backhanded insult - Neither myself or anyone else here has used those words except you.

 

[Plasmaball]

From your article...

A Department of Homeland Security spokesperson told the Daily Beast that, in a situation like Manu’s, parents are given a choice about what happens to their children.​

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“The media and Democrat politicians are force-feeding the public false information that U.S. citizen children are being deported,” said DHS Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs Tricia McLaughlin. “This is false and irresponsible. Parents are asked if they want to be removed with their children or [Immigration and Customs Enforcement] will place the children with someone the parent designates.”​

You would do well to place the responsibility for this child's situation where it belongs...with the parents.

The stupidity is the point it seems. These people arent a danger to anything in your life.

 

[WorldWatcher]

She is not in America, and she does not have an American passport.

Effectively, she is stateless.

Read the second paragraph in your OP's linked article.

WW

 

[braindrain]

Read the second paragraph in your OP's linked article.

WW

One would think someone would at least skim their own article before using it to start a thread.

Would save a normal person some embarrassment. I don’t think the OP will suffer that problem however.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Yes, it does, but the choice belongs 100% with the parents and not with ICE

The choice of the disposition of the child I agree 100% belongs to the parent and as part of that choice under Due Process there are a couple of conditions that should apply:

1. The notice of options MUST be timely with a reasonable amount of time to take action.
2. The noitice MUST be provided in a manner that the individual MUST be able to read and/or understand.
3. The individual MUST have the right to their counsel review and explain the options.
4. The individual MUST have the right to secure documents providing for the eventual return of the minor US Citizen at a latter time since they are a citizen. (For example, the birth certificate and/or allowed to complete a Passport Application.)

Options to include:

• Choosing to keep custody of the minor child. (The child isn't deported, the parent chooses to keep custody.)
• Establishing a loco parentis surrendering custody of the child temporarily to someone that will remain in the US and care for the child such as a friend or relative.
• Surrendering permenent custody through adoption such as a friend or relative.
• Surrender custody of the child to the state for placement in foster care or possibily eventual adoption.

Not being a heartless bastard I think a stay of deportation of the person illegally present of someone in the 30-90 day window would be understandable to allow time for the indiividual and counsel to arrange for child custody. Whether the person is a flight person remains in detention would be up to an Immigration Judge to weigh flight risk.

WW

 

[noonereal]

Imagine if Brazil deported the child back to the US!

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[Peacenik]

That is up to the parents to figure out.

How insensitive and cruel. Americans have a right to live in America.

 

[Metric Mouse]

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Should Brazil deport this American citizen back to their home country?

 

[NolanVoyd]

Call it a slur if you like

It is in fact a slur.

I gave it to you from the dictionary.

"noun​

Disparaging and Offensive."

but babies have been used as anchors to allow illegal mothers to remain in this country - that is a fact!

Its bullshit. People of child bearing age thatbare living here and working here have babies like people of chold bearing age tend to do.

Thier babies are IS citizens and their family......not anchors.

It is a loophole that should be addressed.

Its not a loophole its just reality.

As for your ignorant question to me which comes across as some sort of undeserved backhanded insult - Neither myself or anyone else here has used those words except you.

But you did use a slur. Do you just use that one or do you use othets as well?

That is a legit question.

 

[straykatz]

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Do you just use that one or do you use othets as well?

To answer your insult - NO, I do not use the n word nor any other racial discrimination. I had to look up your other word because I had no idea what it meant. Strange how those words are so familiar to you but you accuse/assume others use them. I have nothing more to say to you on this topic. You appear incapable of having a conversation without insulting or making false assumptions.

 

[straykatz]

How insensitive and cruel. Americans have a right to live in America.

I agree an American has the right to live in America. Their illegal parent does not.

So what is the solution? Take the child from the mother to place in a home with American guardian/foster care or allow the mother to take their child with them?

 

[NolanVoyd]

To answer your insult

its a legitimate question.

you did, in fact, use the slur "achor baby".

- NO, I do not use the n word nor any other racial discrimination.

but you used one slur.

I had to look up your other word because I had no idea what it meant. Strange how those words are so familiar to you but you accuse/assume others use them.

because you used a slur.

I have nothing more to say to you on this topic. You appear incapable of having a conversation without insulting or making false assumptions.

Pointing out that you used a slur, and backing it up with the dictionary definition is dealing in facts not insults.

You did in fact use that slur. No denying it.

Which begs the question, do you use other slurs as well or just that one?

 

[NolanVoyd]

I agree an American has the right to live in America. Their illegal parent does not.

So what is the solution?

the solution is to do what is in the best interests of the US citizen child.

which is to give her parents permission to stay and work so that she can be raised in her own coubtry by her parents.

This seems painfully obvious

Take the child from the mother to place in a home with American guardian/foster care or allow the mother to take their child with them?

Let them stay! Together!

 

[WorldWatcher]

the solution is to do what is in the best interests of the US citizen child.

which is to give her parents permission to stay and work so that she can be raised in her own coubtry by her parents.

This seems painfully obvious

Let them stay! Together!

No.

This sounds nice for a one off. But it establishes a policy that says, get here (illegally, student visa, tourist visa, visa overstay, work visa), have a baby and morph that into permenant residents status just rewards the conduct.

I'm fine with a Parental Excemption good for anywhere from 30-90 days to allow the illegally present parent to make a decision and/or arrangments, but at the end the parent should be deported.

It becomes the parents choice (which should, under Due Process an informed choice) to make.

WW

 

[NolanVoyd]

No.

This sounds nice for a one off. But it establishes a policy that says, get here (illegally, student visa, tourist visa, visa overstay, work visa), have a baby and morph that into permenant residents status just rewards the conduct.

It is a fact that people of child bearing age living here and working here will have babies like people of child bearing age tend to do.

It is also a fact that the children born here will be US citizens (as it should be).

It is common sense that the US government should do what is in the best interests of US citizen children.

That means allowing the parents of minor US citizens to stay and raise them here.

THAT SHOULD BE THE POLICY

I'm fine with a Parental Excemption good for anywhere from 30-90 days to allow the illegally present parent to make a decision and/or arrangments, but at the end the parent should be deported.

It should be permenant.

It becomes the parents choice (which should, under Due Process an informed choice) to make.

The US gov. Has the choice to do the right thing and allow the parents to stay and raise their US citizen child here.

 

[WorldWatcher]

It is a fact that people of child bearing age living here and working here will have babies like people of child bearing age tend to do.

It is also a fact that the children born here will be US citizens (as it should be).

It is common sense that the US government should do what is in the best interests of US citizen children.

That means allowing the parents of minor US citizens to stay and raise them here.

THAT SHOULD BE THE POLICY

No is should. It should not be policy to reward illegal actions.

A Parental Stay to make a decision/arrangements? Sure. But that is measured in months.

It should be permenant.

The US gov. Has the choice to do the right thing and allow the parents to stay and raise their US citizen child here.

The right choice is allow the parent to decide and to be able to make arrangements within a reasonable time frame.

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Let's say a Student Visa Holder has a baby as a Sophmore, completes school at the end of her Senior year and returns (voluntarily) to Brazille, Ireland, Mexico, Phillipines, Japen, El Savador, etc. - after graduation. Do you think the government should deny that choice to the mother because in the "government opinion" it's better for the child to stay here?

WW

 

[NolanVoyd]

No is should. It should not be policy to reward illegal actions.

Its not "rewarding illegal actions" it is acknowledging reality and doing the right thing.

A Parental Stay to make a decision/arrangements? Sure. But that is measured in months.

Should be permanent.

What is in the best interest of the US citizen children is to be raised here by their parents.

That should be the priority.

The right choice is allow the parent to decide and to be able to make arrangements within a reasonable time frame.

WW

The right choice is to do what is in the best interest if the US citizen children. That means allowing them to be raised here by their parents.