911: Planes Hijacked? Crashed into buildings? So where is the evidence?

[Quag]

Finally, an intelligent question.

The answer was "real life".

In real life 4 planes were hijacked and craashed by terrorists.

But the more important point is that by having to ask the question, the NEADS man showed that there was some confusion--it could be either.

Normal question to be asked, it doesnt show any confusion it merely shows that human beings are human beings.

Though the answer was "real life", that was an incorrect answer,

No it wasnt

but the FAA guy didn't know it. He THOUGHT it was real life, but it was actually part of the exercise,

Nope wrong again.

and was somehow or other a false target.

Nope wrong again

Maybe an inject,

Nope wrong again, and ridiculous statemnt

maybe a real airplane,

No maybes involved, it was

but the aircraft that subsequently struck the North tower was NOT AA11.

Wrong again.

Basically your entire post is false.
I would ask you for some evidence for your false claims but since there is none we all know you post any.

 

[KokomoJojo]

Yes. Part of the overall effort to keep discussion down in trivialities.

yeh just like the new paint job they put on the pancake theory. ROOSTER

 

[Fledermaus]

So, back to the OP.

911: Planes Hijacked? -

Yes.

Evidence presented? Yes.

Evidence to the contrary? No.

Crashed into buildings?

Yes.

Evidence presented? Yes.

Evidence to the contrary? No.

So where is the evidence?

Asked and answered.

Understood by TRUTHERS? Some, but not all.

 

[KokomoJojo]

So, back to the OP.

911: Planes Hijacked? -

Yes.

Evidence presented? Yes.

Evidence to the contrary? No.

Crashed into buildings?

Yes.

Evidence presented? Yes.

Evidence to the contrary? No.

So where is the evidence?

Asked and answered.

Understood by TRUTHERS? Some, but not all.

debunkers will say anything and make up any story without any consideration what so ever for contrary evidence.

so has any debunkers found the rest of the plane yet?

 

[Fledermaus]

I'll bet Koko didn't present any EVIDENCE to the contrary and merely regurgitated his nonsense claims.

 

[KokomoJojo]

I'll bet Koko didn't present any EVIDENCE to the contrary and merely regurgitated his nonsense claims.

yeh an empty warehouse where there should be thousands of pounds of plane parts! LOL

you lost the bet.

 

[Quag]

I'll bet Koko didn't present any EVIDENCE to the contrary and merely regurgitated his nonsense claims.

Looks like you won, where do you pick up your prize?

 

[Fledermaus]

Looks like you won, where do you pick up your prize?

I won the internet?

Yay.

 

[KokomoJojo]

Looks like you won, where do you pick up your prize?

So debunkers think nothing is something and losing is winning. omg LMAO

Not surprising though they have everything else bassackwards!

 

[Bodi]

So debunkers think nothing is something and losing is winning. omg LMAO

Not surprising though they have everything else bassackwards!

What do you hope to gain by these debates?

 

[KokomoJojo]

What do you hope to gain by these debates?

Oh this debate is the gold mine that keeps on giving!

You see, all these people who hug that OS have a big underlying problem when they built their house of cards. They need a constant supply of lcean socks to keep the ball rolling and its getting easier and easier to show them as the frauds they are.

Not only does the visual records and contrary evidence prove they are jerking everyones chain but they not have any evidence that drive to the merits of their claims.




people can easily see how hilarious their claims are and how they are out here trolling the boards with disinformation.

then when they cant defend their ridiculous claims they run away crying no reason, or they want entertainment and a new subject. Such important points and they dodge them every time. The arguments against them are so powerful they are scared to post because they get their asses handed to them every time!

Its a great show!

 

[BmanMcfly]

Oh this debate is the gold mine that keeps on giving!

You see, all these people who hug that OS have a big underlying problem when they built their house of cards. They need a constant supply of lcean socks to keep the ball rolling and its getting easier and easier to show them as the frauds they are.

Not only does the visual records and contrary evidence prove they are jerking everyones chain but they not have any evidence that drive to the merits of their claims.




people can easily see how hilarious their claims are and how they are out here trolling the boards with disinformation.

then when they cant defend their ridiculous claims they run away crying no reason, or they want entertainment and a new subject. Such important points and they dodge them every time. The arguments against them are so powerful they are scared to post because they get their asses handed to them every time!

Its a great show!

I've mostly stopped posting in this forum because the mods seem to allow these trolls almost free reign (probly get another infraction for pointing that out), made one post related to certain measurements that were being disputed.

Within 10-15 min there was almost 10 trolling posts later claiming that
- accurate measurements means explosives
- we don't need accurate data because we know what caused the results
- asking for accurate measurements means denying explosives in the towers.

Then they celebrated amongst themselves as though that display of idiocy became some sort of valid rebuttal, rather than the trolling that this really was.

If I didn't know any better, I would swear the debunkers are regressing to a new level childish nonsense.

 

[BmanMcfly]

What do you hope to gain by these debates?

Honestly, I hope to gain being proven that the official story reflects reality... It's been over 13 years now and still they've only been able to make few minor points.

 

[Mark F]

If I didn't know any better, I would swear the debunkers are regressing to a new level childish nonsense.

Said the guy whose standard retort is the insult and name-calling.

Pot, meet kettle,...

Face it, you have mostly stopped posting on this forum because you are wrong on all the fundamental issues and at some level you probably know it. This of course being the reason why you are so quick to resort to the personal attack.

 

[Fledermaus]

Honestly, I hope to gain being proven that the official story reflects reality... It's been over 13 years now and still they've only been able to make few minor points.

You can't understand if you reject everything that has been presented.

 

[Fledermaus]

I've mostly stopped posting in this forum because the mods seem to allow these trolls almost free reign (probly get another infraction for pointing that out), made one post related to certain measurements that were being disputed.

Within 10-15 min there was almost 10 trolling posts later claiming that
- accurate measurements means explosives
- we don't need accurate data because we know what caused the results
- asking for accurate measurements means denying explosives in the towers.

Then they celebrated amongst themselves as though that display of idiocy became some sort of valid rebuttal, rather than the trolling that this really was.

If I didn't know any better, I would swear the debunkers are regressing to a new level childish nonsense.

Have you any EVIDENCE of explosives?

Other than explosions, which are common in fires?

Oh, and you quit when YOU declared PHYSICAL EVIDENCE trumps DIGITAL EVIDENCE only to realize YOU had ZERO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE to support your various and ever changing notions.

 

[ozeco41]

You can't understand if you reject everything that has been presented.

it is a faith based position "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

Actually it is a waste of time putting factual evidence and reasoning against a person who is operating in the domain of faith. The mental processes of rational evidence based reasoning are invisible to them. Not anathema - not disagreed with. Cannot see - invisible. They cannot compute evidence and reason. Faith says - whatever - for most of them "the official view is wrong" - and they cannot be shifted from that position by reasoning or facts.

We think that way. They don't think - "that way" or any other way. That is why few of them if any can construct a reasoned argument. Most cannot comprehend one when it is spoon fed.

 

[BmanMcfly]

Said the guy whose standard retort is the insult and name-calling.

Pot, meet kettle,...

Face it, you have mostly stopped posting on this forum because you are wrong on all the fundamental issues and at some level you probably know it. This of course being the reason why you are so quick to resort to the personal attack.

Of course you would remain delusional and declare victory.... precisely the type of asinine tactics that you display here. It's a thorough desperation to maintain your own view of reality that you would claim to know all the forces involved in a result without even caring about proper measurements of anything.

 

[BmanMcfly]

You can't understand if you reject everything that has been presented.

I reject everything that's presented that is wrong, misrepresented, or not relevant to the topic at hand.

In other words about 99.9995% of what you post.

 

[BmanMcfly]

Oooh, a chance to return the favor...

it is a faith based position "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

.

Finally and admission from the debunker crowd.

 

[Fledermaus]

Of course you would remain delusional and declare victory.... precisely the type of asinine tactics that you display here. It's a thorough desperation to maintain your own view of reality that you would claim to know all the forces involved in a result without even caring about proper measurements of anything.

So... Any EVIDENCE to back up your many varied and ever-changing claims?

No?

Perhaps it isn't Mark that is delusional.

 

[Fledermaus]

Oooh, a chance to return the favor...

Finally and admission from the debunker crowd.

Surprise you take ozeco41's comment out of context and try to make it something it isn't.

A BMAN special.

 

[Mark F]

Of course you would remain delusional and declare victory.... precisely the type of asinine tactics that you display here. It's a thorough desperation to maintain your own view of reality that you would claim to know all the forces involved in a result without even caring about proper measurements of anything.

Merely stating facts. We always know when you have backed yourself into a corner when your retorts turn to insults and personal attacks while you try to derail the discussion and change the subject. You've done it enough times the pattern is quite clear and easily detected.

As for the specific issue of measuring the distance from the west face of the North Tower to the Wintergarden and WFC 3, it really is irrelevant. We know that a section of the west face of 1 WTC roughly 300 feet tall broke off as a unit and toppled onto the Wintergarden and WFC3. This can be seen in collapse videos and is very evident in GZ photos after the event. The bits people like you think were "laterally projected hundreds of feet" were actually the top of that 300-foot section of wall that toppled as a unit. Because conspiracy theorists have a tendency to look at evidence out of context (eg; Bob's photo of a chunk of column from the 85th floor imbedded in the side of WFC3) they reach really bad conclusions.

Such is the case here.

No heavy beams were laterally projected hundreds of feet. There is not even a plausible mechanism by which this could happen. CT's think high explosives must have done it but this is silly. That simply can not happen so is a really ridiculous claim to pursue if you want to prove CD/OMHI and be taken seriously while doing it.

When you zoom out from Bob's photo and realize that bit was just the tip of a 300-foot long sheet of columns that fell as a unit, then watch the video evidence of the collapse it is clear none of that was "projected". It toppled.

 

[Fledermaus]

I reject everything that's presented that is wrong, misrepresented, or not relevant to the topic at hand.

In other words about 99.9995% of what you post.

In other words, you reject what I write based on your own ignorance.

Can YO(U show where 99.999% of what I post is "wrong, misrepresented, or not relevant to the topic at hand"?

No, of course not.

Where have I been wrong about EXPLOSIVES?

Where have I been wrong about AIRCRAFT?

Where have I been wrong about RADAR?

I can keep going.

I can, with a little time, show where YOU have presented things that are "wrong, misrepresented, or not relevant to the topic at hand". Plenty to choose from. Melted STEEL? Sol-gel? Radar? Aircraft speed? Explosives? Fire?

 

[BmanMcfly]

Merely stating facts. We always know when you have backed yourself into a corner when your retorts turn to insults and personal attacks while you try to derail the discussion and change the subject. You've done it enough times the pattern is quite clear and easily detected.

As for the specific issue of measuring the distance from the west face of the North Tower to the Wintergarden and WFC 3, it really is irrelevant. We know that a section of the west face of 1 WTC roughly 300 feet tall broke off as a unit and toppled onto the Wintergarden and WFC3. This can be seen in collapse videos and is very evident in GZ photos after the event. The bits people like you think were "laterally projected hundreds of feet" were actually the top of that 300-foot section of wall that toppled as a unit. Because conspiracy theorists have a tendency to look at evidence out of context (eg; Bob's photo of a chunk of column from the 85th floor imbedded in the side of WFC3) they reach really bad conclusions.

Such is the case here.

No heavy beams were laterally projected hundreds of feet. There is not even a plausible mechanism by which this could happen. CT's think high explosives must have done it but this is silly. That simply can not happen so is a really ridiculous claim to pursue if you want to prove CD/OMHI and be taken seriously while doing it.

When you zoom out from Bob's photo and realize that bit was just the tip of a 300-foot long sheet of columns that fell as a unit, then watch the video evidence of the collapse it is clear none of that was "projected". It toppled.

Thanks for proving my point so soon after I made it... I simply don't have the time to counter all the compressed nonsense you put, and you wouldn't understand either way.

Gave me a good laugh though.