911: Planes Hijacked? Crashed into buildings? So where is the evidence?

[Mark F]

This is not about empathy, this is about rational analysis of known facts.

Great. Let us know when you get started on that.

 

[Fledermaus]

Actually, you need to be able to prove the story you have chosen to defend is true. But you cannot, and that's OK. Nobody can prove the official tale true, because it is not true.

The preponderance of the evidence easily works against your chosen story, and I suspect we BOTH know that. eace

The "official story" (AKA REALITY) is corroborated by ALL THE EVIDENCE.

It is proven true, because it IS true.

 

[American]

Actually, you need to be able to prove the story you have chosen to defend is true. But you cannot, and that's OK. Nobody can prove the official tale true, because it is not true.

The preponderance of the evidence easily works against your chosen story, and I suspect we BOTH know that. eace

You think you know that.

 

[Fledermaus]

Is that all you have, an appeal to emotion?

The victims are dead and gone. The rational approach is to examine the facts and evidence and reach some sort of conclusion, no matter how many people died and who killed them.

This is not about empathy, this is about rational analysis of known facts.

FACT: An airliner struck WTC1
FACT: An airliner struck WTC2
FACT: An airliner struck the Pentagon
FACT: An airliner struck the ground in Shanksville.

Do you have ANYTHING in the way of EVIDENCE to refute those facts?

 

[mike2810]

Actually, you need to be able to prove the story you have chosen to defend is true. .....

and when are you goint to to that HD?

You can't/won't. That is ok Nobody including yourself can prove the many CT explanations.

Fire induced collapse is more probalble than your it could have been style of analysis.

 

[Thoreau72]

You think you know that.

Actually, back in 2002 I thought I knew that the official story was largely true.

By 2005 I found out how little I did know, when I was informed by a total stranger over lunch that WTC7 had come down that afternoon. For years I had defended the story from a position of ignorance.

I learned my lesson and found out I was wrong.

13 years later you are still operating from a position of ignorance.

Today I know that I was lied to, but you are still blissfully ignorant of the fact that you've been duped.

Indeed, it is easier to lie to a man than it is to convince him that he has been lied to. Humans are funny. :doh

 

[Bob0627]

Any rational analysis of the facts can lead to only 1 conclusion

If there's only 1 conclusion, why do the victims' loved ones still demand an investigation 12+ years later?

 

[Fledermaus]

Actually, back in 2002 I thought I knew that the official story was largely true.

By 2005 I found out how little I did know, when I was informed by a total stranger over lunch that WTC7 had come down that afternoon. For years I had defended the story from a position of ignorance.

I learned my lesson and found out I was wrong.

13 years later you are still operating from a position of ignorance.

Today I know that I was lied to, but you are still blissfully ignorant of the fact that you've been duped.

Indeed, it is easier to lie to a man than it is to convince him that he has been lied to. Humans are funny. :doh

TRANSLATION: He started with a narrative that was logical and backed by the evidence and de-evolved to his current state of not believing reality and incapable of putting his scattered thoughts into anything resembling an intelligent counter theory.

 

[Fledermaus]

If there's only 1 conclusion, why do the victims' loved ones still demand an investigation 12+ years later?

A miniscule number will NEVER be happy....

And I believe the large majority of those unhappy do not believe your CD nonsense.

 

[American]

Actually, back in 2002 I thought I knew that the official story was largely true.

By 2005 I found out how little I did know, when I was informed by a total stranger over lunch that WTC7 had come down that afternoon. For years I had defended the story from a position of ignorance.

I learned my lesson and found out I was wrong.

13 years later you are still operating from a position of ignorance.

Today I know that I was lied to, but you are still blissfully ignorant of the fact that you've been duped.

Indeed, it is easier to lie to a man than it is to convince him that he has been lied to. Humans are funny. :doh

Oh, so you're the enlightened one, and the rest of us sheeple need to get clued in, huh? I heard right after 9/11 that WTC7 was brought down on purpose because of its weakened condition.

 

[KokomoJojo]

Oh, so you're the enlightened one, and the rest of us sheeple need to get clued in, huh? I heard right after 9/11 that WTC7 was brought down on purpose because of its weakened condition.

nist however said that the damage to 7 as a result of 1 and 2 was superficial, that fire is the sole cause, so how do you plan to play your hand now?

They demolished it on purpose using fire?

 

[mike2810]

nist however said that the damage to 7 as a result of 1 and 2 was superficial, that fire is the sole cause, so how do you plan to play your hand now?

They demolished it on purpose using fire?

who is "They" ?

 

[Mark F]

Actually, back in 2002 I thought I knew that the official story was largely true.

By 2005 I found out how little I did know, when I was informed by a total stranger over lunch that WTC7 had come down that afternoon. For years I had defended the story from a position of ignorance.

I learned my lesson and found out I was wrong.

13 years later you are still operating from a position of ignorance.

Today I know that I was lied to, but you are still blissfully ignorant of the fact that you've been duped.

Indeed, it is easier to lie to a man than it is to convince him that he has been lied to. Humans are funny. :doh

I think we have identified the problem. You were ignorant and your ignorance surprised you, which triggered arrogance.

You see, I was not surprised to find out 7 World Trade Center had collapsed because I always knew. I remember watching the coverage that day and hearing about it being on fire, seeing the imagery and hearing the reports about how unstable it was and there were fears it would collapse. So when it did I was not particularly surprised. What did surprise me is when years later people started making a big deal out of it like it was the centerpiece of some fiendish plot when really, like the other 7 buildings destroyed that day its loss was merely incidental.

7 World Trade Center like the other 7 buildings lost that day when the Twin Towers fell is not important to understanding what happened on 9/11.

When 7 collapsed it was not a surprise, it was not a mystery. Because of that and because no one was killed or injured in the process 7 took a backburner both in the public imagination and in official circles to the more pressing issues stemming from the attacks. Because of that and because most people had never heard of the building to begin with it very quickly was forgotten for the most part.

This is where the CT crowd comes in.

Conspiracy loves a vacuum and the lack of early attention to 7 created a giant vacuum 9/11 Truthers could fill with all sorts of speculation and wild claims.

Your response upon hearing about building 7 years later was surprise because you didn’t know – or at least had forgotten – about it. I am going to guess your reaction was probably that you should have known about it but because you didn’t it must be because someone must be hiding something from you. So you start looking at Truther and CT websites (about the only information about 7 generally available at the time) and it all starts confirming what you already want to believe – that someone has pulled the wool over your eyes.

Conspiracy Theorists fixate on building 7 only because they have utterly failed to sway public opinion with their fantasies of CD in the Twin Towers, shoot-downs in Shanksville and missiles at the Pentagon. Precisely because 7 is/was so unimportant and nobody was killed or injured in it there was not much attention paid to it which left a nice void for CT’s to fill with utter BS . Conspiracy Theorists love nothing more than a vacuum they can fill with their own narrative taking advantage of uninformed people such as yourself and filling your head with nonsense, to make you feel like someone was keeping something from you when there was in fact nothing to keep from you and only your own ignorance of events is to blame.

 

[American]

nist however said that the damage to 7 as a result of 1 and 2 was superficial, that fire is the sole cause, so how do you plan to play your hand now?

They demolished it on purpose using fire?

I not playing a hand, because I'm not part of the endless game between you and the other conspiracy types. You don't dare venture outside this forum because you'd probably get eaten alive.

 

[Quag]

If there's only 1 conclusion, why do the victims' loved ones still demand an investigation 12+ years later?

Because they have been lied to by scum trying to sell nonsense to in order to make a some $$$ off a great tragedy

 

[Quag]

TRANSLATION: He started with a narrative that was logical and backed by the evidence and de-evolved to his current state of not believing reality and incapable of putting his scattered thoughts into anything resembling an intelligent counter theory.

Correction:
He never heard any CT about 911 so he never gave it a second thought, as soon as he heard that some people were trying to blame the ebil govt he jumped on the band wagon with both feet and eyes closed.

 

[Thoreau72]

Oh, so you're the enlightened one, and the rest of us sheeple need to get clued in, huh? I heard right after 9/11 that WTC7 was brought down on purpose because of its weakened condition.

Yes, it's rather looking that way, but I do understand the psychological dynamics involved in cognitive dissonance. IMO, for the most part it is an involuntary reaction.

 

[Thoreau72]

I not playing a hand, because I'm not part of the endless game between you and the other conspiracy types. You don't dare venture outside this forum because you'd probably get eaten alive.

Figuratively speaking, you ARE playing a hand.

That is, you choose to defend a story told in a public forum. You choose to attempt to make a persuasive case that your chosen story is true.

And you do that in part by denying that certain facts exist. Tough hand to play dude, very tough. Defending an indefensible story by ignoring facts is an exercise in futility, and displays some measure of cognitive dissonance. It might go over well in the Church of the Poisoned Mind, but that's about it. eace

 

[Bob0627]

Because they have been lied to by scum trying to sell nonsense to in order to make a some $$$ off a great tragedy

Yep, $trillions in profits made by the MIC and a whole bunch of other select individuals. Millions of innocent people massacred and otherwise permanently damaged and the carnage continues. 9/11 is the gift that keeps on giving. Oh wait, I thought you were talking about the US government.

 

[Quag]

Yep, $trillions in profits made by the MIC and a whole bunch of other select individuals. Millions of innocent people massacred and otherwise permanently damaged and the carnage continues. 9/11 is the gift that keeps on giving. Oh wait, I thought you were talking about the US government.

Silly response to my post that in no way counters what I said. Just because people have made money off of 911 doesn't mean they cause it. If it did then Gage and Balsamo would be in on it as well.

 

[Quag]

Figuratively speaking, you ARE playing a hand.

That is, you choose to defend a story told in a public forum. You choose to attempt to make a persuasive case that your chosen story is true.

And you do that in part by denying that certain facts exist. Tough hand to play dude, very tough. Defending an indefensible story by ignoring facts is an exercise in futility, and displays some measure of cognitive dissonance. It might go over well in the Church of the Poisoned Mind, but that's about it. eace

Bolded is what truthers do every day.

 

[OldWorldOrder]

All because they just don't like "The Man". Poor babies!

 

[KokomoJojo]

All because they just don't like "The Man". Poor babies!

sucks to be a debunker,

cant even prove a plane went in.

 

[zyzygy]

sucks to be a debunker,

cant even prove a plane went in.

No need to prove it, the whole world saw it. It's called reality.

 

[KokomoJojo]

No need to prove it, the whole world saw it. It's called reality.

no they didnt, thats a lie