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Guns are not for proving points, they are for killing people.ANDREW WELSH-HUGGINS, Associated Press Writer
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — A woman who called 911 after a fatal shooting at an Easter party told a police dispatcher she shot a relative after she retrieved a gun to prove a point and it went off.
The woman told the dispatcher that she shot her niece, apparently referring to a 19-year-old woman killed during a fight that police say started over a skimpy Easter outfit — jean shorts and a green T-shirt tied up around her midriff.
"I just shot my niece," the woman says calmly at the beginning of the 33-second call released to The Associated Press on Tuesday.
"I didn't mean to do it," the woman said. "We was arguing, I tried to get my gun to prove a point, they got the rifle with me and it went off."
911 Call: Gun in Easter Fight Was 'To Prove Point' - ABC News
There are states that use FOID. Show proof that the use of FOID has had a substantial positive effect on accidents or crime IN those states and then we might have something to discuss. Until then it is just speculation. "I think that turning this fundamental right, enumerated in the Constitution, into a licenced privilege will help make things better" is an inadequate justification. The burden of proof is on you if you want to infringe on a fundamental right, whether that right is one of your "sacred cows" or not.
If you simply want everyone who might own a gun to take a safety course, simply make a gun safety course a standard High School class that everyone takes in their Senior year. No need for FOID.
The propagation of Nazi ideology resulted in millions of deaths in the 20th Century. Also culpable for many deaths are White Surpremacist ideology, Stalinism and Maoism. Words can indeed be far more dangerous than bullets. Epic Fail, my friend.
I live in a state that uses FOID cards. It hasn't kept anyone from getting a gun that has been deemed acceptable to own a gun (those not on the NCIS list). I want to add education. I think it's a bad idea to leave that to be taught in High schools to everyone. Guns don't belong in schools and not every parent wants their kid handling guns. If you want a gun, take the responsibility upon yourself to take a gun safety course.
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Those words would have been harmless if they weren't backed up by guns.
No one died from a racial epithet. A jew can't shoot someone who calls them a slur and claim it was self-defense.
Nice try, but no cigar. You're flat wrong.
Thirty and forty years ago, we had guns in school. Kids brought their hunting rifles and stored them in vehicles or the gym locker, to go hunting after school, in many rural areas. We also didn't have school shootings then, oddly enough. Your objection is emotional rather than rational.
A high school senior is 17 or 18 years old... not exactly a little kid. They're mere months away from being able to enlist in the Military or buy their own guns. We're not talking about teaching 9yo's to handle an M16, we're talking about young adults and near-adults learning basic safety.
It wouldn't even be necessary for them to actually shoot the guns to learn about basic safety. You could use unloaded weapons that have the firing pin removed, if that will soothe your delicate sensibilities.
A simple H.S. safety course would be far less intrusive on 2nd Amendment rights than a FOID card that has to be renewed at the government's pleasure every few years. It would also ensure that even if someone isn't a gun owner, that if they come across a loaded firearm they know the basics of safety already.
If your stance was REALLY about safety and that alone, you'd be willing to accept the very slight inconvenience of having a basic gun safety course for all HS seniors... but no, instead you'd prefer to force all 90 million gun owners to have to have government permission to own a gun, a FOID card to buy a gun or ammo, and have to renew it every 5 years and jump through any hoops the gov't cares to add, to exercise a right enumerated in the Constitution right after freedom of speech and religion.
Sorry, that doesn't pass the smell test. I suspect you have an agenda of reducing the number of guns in private hands generally... perhaps you'd prefer that number to be zero.
Again, there has been no proof offered of any justification for FOID. Alternatives exist which would not infringe on a Constitutional right, but you reject them for spurious reasons. You haven't advanced your position one millimeter.
Fail. There was war, genocide and racial oppression long before there were guns. Possibly you've heard of swords and spears.
That lady was not very smart. She should have made sure it wasn't even loaded when she held it at her. Or make sure safety was on.
Right now, we do have school shootings. Your ignoring that is emotional rather than rational.
When kids stop cutting off fingers in shop class I'll consider mandatory gun safety training. Of course, Buddhists could probably opt out for religious reasons.
I don't have delicate sensibilies. I haven't insulted you. Who's being emotional here?
But there is a point here. People who are against guns (Not me, I am all for guns), will demand that their kids sit out. I just think it should be the gun owner's personal responsibility the get the education. In fact, it's ironic that you want the govt. to do it for you seeing how it is in opposition to your libertarian sensibilities.
I just don't see a FOID card as an infringement on your right to have a gun. Law enforcement officers I know endorse it because it's a picture ID that you must have to purchase firearms and ammunition. It also makes it effective for them to determine whether or not is allowed to have a gun. We both agree that there are some people who shouldn't be allowed to have a gun. The card helps the police and merchants.
My stance is about safety. This isn't a grab for guns. That will never happen. We love our guns too much. I don't see regulation for the public safety is an intrusion. You haven't shown how going and spending 15 minutes every five years is such a great intrusion.
You're flat wrong.
You are being emotional by jumping to this unsupported conclusion.
I support responsible gun ownership.
You just haven't been willing to listen. You haven't shown how this would keep anyone from getting a gun.
Your fail. You didn't mention Ghengis Kahn.
Firearms Accidents and Firearms Safety Education
Fatal Firearms Accidents for All Ages Annually: 1,134 nationwide in 1996. Rate of 0.4 per 100T population. Represents a roughly 90% decrease from record high in 1904. Accident rate is down by 65% since 1930, while U.S. population has doubled and number of privately-owned firearms has quadrupled. Compare to other types of fatal accidents, for all ages: Motor Vehicles 16.7/100T, Falls 4.8/100T, Poisoning 4.0/100T, Drowning 1.7/100T, Fires 1.6/100T, Choking 1.1/100T.(National Safety Council, National Center for Health Statistics, BATF, US Census)
Fatal Firearms Accidents for Children 14 and Under Annually: 138 nationwide in 1996. About 3% of all fatal accidents under age 14. Represents a 75% decrease from record high of 550 in 1975. Compared to other types of fatal accidents for children: Motor Vehicles 44%, Fires 16%, Drowning 14%, Choking 4.5%.(Nat'l Safety Council, Nat'l Center for Health Statistics)
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