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9 HISTORICAL FACTS ABOUT JESUS’ BROTHER JAMES THAT PROVIDE EVIDENCE FOR CHRISTIANITY... (1 Viewer)

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Do you think that you could convince one of your siblings into believing that you’re the Son of God? Unless they were three years old, it would probably be a tough sell. After all, they’ve seen how you keep your room. So it’s a pretty amazing historical fact that Jesus’ brother James, who probably wore Jesus’ hand-me-downs, later as an adult converted to Christianity. And we know that he was sincere about his belief because he died for it. James’ martyrdom wasn’t just recorded in Christian sources (Hegesippus) but by the 1st-century Jewish historian Josephus.

HERE ARE 9 REASONS WHY I THINK THE CONVERSION OF JAMES IS ONE OF THE BEST EVIDENCE FOR CHRISTIANITY THAT THERE IS:​

1. JOSEPHUS GIVES US A NICE EXTERNAL CONFIRMATION OF WHAT WE READ IN THE GOSPELS, ACTS AND EPISTLES OF PAUL.​

2. BOTH MARK AND JOHN TELL US THAT JAMES WASN’T ALWAYS A BELIEVER IN JESUS.​

3. PAUL GIVES US A BIG CLUE TO WHY JAMES MAY HAVE CHANGED – HE WAS AN EYEWITNESS OF THE RESURRECTED JESUS.​

5. PAUL’S JAMES-ENDORSED GOSPEL ALSO INCLUDED JESUS’ DAVIDIC ROOTS. (ROMANS 1:3-4)​

6. JAMES AND JESUS’ OTHER BROTHERS TRAVELED ABROAD, PREACHING THE GOSPEL (1 CORINTHIANS 9:5).​

7. ACCORDING TO JOSEPHUS, JAMES WAS KILLED BY THE JEWISH LEADERSHIP FOR BEING A BREAKER OF THE LAW (OF MOSES).​

8. JAMES WAS KILLED IN JERUSALEM.​

9. THE MARTYRDOM OF JAMES HAPPENED IN 62-69 AD.​

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http://isjesusalive.com/james-the-brother-of-jesus/
 
Faith. Christianity is based on faith. There's no need to go looking for proof. There is no proof and that's fine if you have faith.
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The first recorded instance of Jesus saying, “Your faith has made you well” is found in Matthew 9:22 (ESV) where Jesus heals the woman with the issue of blood. The KJV translates Jesus’ words as “Thy faith hath made thee whole,” and the NIV says, “Your faith has healed you.” The same incident is also recorded in Mark 5:34, where Jesus says, “Daughter, your faith has made you well; go in peace, and be healed of your disease” (ESV).

Jesus also says, “Your faith has made you well,” to the ten lepers (Luke 17:19) and a blind beggar (Luke 18:42). Other times Jesus links faith and healing without using the exact words, “Your faith has made you well,” such as in Matthew 8:13 and 15:28.

The healing that these people experienced is expressed, in Greek, by a form of the word sozo, which means “to preserve, rescue, save from death, or keep alive.” Sometimes, sozo refers to spiritual salvation, which is also linked to a person’s faith. For example, when the penitent prostitute washed Jesus’ feet with her tears, He told her much the same thing: “Your faith has saved you” (Luke 7:50; for other examples, see Mark 10:52 and Luke 17:19). When Jesus spoke of the faith of the woman with the issue of blood in Matthew 9, His healing was very likely more than physical; it was a spiritual healing as well, as she is told to “go in peace” (Mark 5:34).

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What did Jesus mean when He told people, “Your faith has made you well”? Is healing based on how much faith we have?
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Loulit01 said:
Faith. Christianity is based on faith. There's no need to go looking for proof. There is no proof and that's fine if you have faith.
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The first recorded instance of Jesus saying, “Your faith has made you well” is found in Matthew 9:22 (ESV) where Jesus heals the woman with the issue of blood. The KJV translates Jesus’ words as “Thy faith hath made thee whole,” and the NIV says, “Your faith has healed you.” The same incident is also recorded in Mark 5:34, where Jesus says, “Daughter, your faith has made you well; go in peace, and be healed of your disease” (ESV).

Jesus also says, “Your faith has made you well,” to the ten lepers (Luke 17:19) and a blind beggar (Luke 18:42). Other times Jesus links faith and healing without using the exact words, “Your faith has made you well,” such as in Matthew 8:13 and 15:28.

The healing that these people experienced is expressed, in Greek, by a form of the word sozo, which means “to preserve, rescue, save from death, or keep alive.” Sometimes, sozo refers to spiritual salvation, which is also linked to a person’s faith. For example, when the penitent prostitute washed Jesus’ feet with her tears, He told her much the same thing: “Your faith has saved you” (Luke 7:50; for other examples, see Mark 10:52 and Luke 17:19). When Jesus spoke of the faith of the woman with the issue of blood in Matthew 9, His healing was very likely more than physical; it was a spiritual healing as well, as she is told to “go in peace” (Mark 5:34).

www.gotquestions.org

What did Jesus mean when He told people, “Your faith has made you well”? | GotQuestions.org

What did Jesus mean when He told people, “Your faith has made you well”? Is healing based on how much faith we have?
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Agreed...proof is provided for those who do not yet have faith...
 
Elora said:
proof is provided for those who do not yet have faith
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You have provided no such thing.

You’ve got it all backwards.

What you have provided is something for people who already have faith, to try to pass off as proof.

It ain’t working.
 
Dragonfly said:
You have provided no such thing.

You’ve got it all backwards.

What you have provided is something for people who already have faith, to try to pass off as proof.

It ain’t working.
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DRAGONFLY IS IN THE HOUSE!!!:LOL:
 
The ever-so-inconsequential bit that "True Believers" fail to acknowledge is found in the final paragraph of Josephus' work
Whereupon Albinus complied with what they said, and wrote in anger to Ananus, and threatened that he would bring him to punishment for what he had done; on which king Agrippa took the high priesthood from him, when he had ruled but three months, and made Jesus, the son of Damneus, high priest.
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As Origen, writing in the late 2nd century never mentioned this passage from Josephus, it, like the Testimonium Flavianum, is seen as an interpolation by a later scribe, one writing after Origen and before Eusebius in the early 4th century.
 
Elora said:
Agreed...proof is provided for those who do not yet have faith...
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You love making circular arguments.
Let me paraphrase: "My claim is true because my book that I use to 'prove' my claim says its true."
If you had proof, something that didn't involve using one of the many logical fallacies you seem to like, you would not need faith.
 
Elora said:
Agreed...proof is provided for those who do not yet have faith...
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Testifying.
Personal testimonies are meant for that...................to help those who have not found Christ, leading them to Him.
Imho, personal testimonies can be the most powerful evidence for God.

Just as the Samaritan woman by the well had done - testifying to her people about Jesus Christ.


John 4
28 Then, leaving her water jar, the woman went back to the town and said to the people,
29 “Come, see a man who told me everything I ever did. Could this be the Messiah?”
30 They came out of the town and made their way toward him.

Many Samaritans Believe​

39 Many of the Samaritans from that town believed in him because of the woman’s testimony, “He told me everything I ever did.”
40 So when the Samaritans came to him, they urged him to stay with them, and he stayed two days.
41 And because of his words many more became believers.


42 They said to the woman, “We no longer believe just because of what you said; now we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this man really is the Savior of the world.”



Testifying................................. is at the very heart of spreading the Gospel.
 
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RogueWarrior said:
You love making circular arguments.
Let me paraphrase: "My claim is true because my book that I use to 'prove' my claim says its true."
If you had proof, something that didn't involve using one of the many logical fallacies you seem to like, you would not need faith.
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My argument with her all the time, you can't use the bible as proof of something the bible says. Just think, this whole christianity thing is basically based on one book. A book that has been rewritten how many times by how many different people and then call it the word of god? Hogwash.
 
Loulit01 said:
Can I get a witness?
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There are millions who can be witnesses, based on their own personal experience(s).
Here are but a few:



(Page 1)
William lane Craig
James Tour
CS Lewis
Nabeel Quireshi (Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus)
Lee Strobel
Alister McGrath
Francis Collins
Fighting a Battle between Drugs and God
Warner Wallace
Dr. Sy Garte (Biochemist)

Why PERSONAL Experiences are powerful – post #115


(Page 5)
Frank Morrison
Abraham Lincoln


(Page 6)
Wayne Rossiter
Richard D. Lumsden


(Page 10)
Hugh Ross


(Page 11)
Their personal experience is their...........PROOF OF GOD! Post #253, 293, 295
Allan Sandage


(Page 14)
Murderer Finds Jesus in Prison
From Jihad To Jesus


(Page 15)
Former “Evangelical” Atheist Comes To Faith In Christ


(Page 16)
Edward Feser
God Saved Him From Gang-Banging, Drug Addiction
Sarah Irving-Stonebraker


(Page 17)
Howard Storm
Anne Rice
God If You Exist, You have 5 Minutes To Show Me

An explanation about this thread – post #413


(Page 18)
Jane Fonda


(Page 19)
Oscar Navarro
Bosco Poon (Lord, are you real? A man finds God in prison)


(Page 20)
Josh McDowell
Kirk Cameron


(Page 22)
The point of the thread – post #546 and #547
Rosaria Champagne Butterfield
Professional athletes testifying about Jesus Christ


(Page 23)
A Witch No More
Beckett Cook – Leaving homosexuality for Christ
Is God giving people in closed countries dreams and visions?
Dead 10 minutes, demons carried me to hell



(Page 26)
Two brothers helped by God when one was buried in an avalanche.
A Christian wife's prayer to God was answered.
Alice Cooper
Professor David Block


(Page 30)
Kate Battistelli (abortion)
The Beauty of the Gospel after abortion
Sanya Richards-Ross (abortion)



(Page 34)
Derek's Story:Finding forgiveness after 4 abortions
Suicidal after abortion: Angela Steenstra's story
Raised an atheist - from Gay Pride parades to the Cross of Jesus
Former Drag Queen and Prostitute Encounters Jesus


(Page 36)
Gavin MacLeod
Dean Jones


(Page 37)
Michael Franzese
Don't let the devil steal your testimonies
Mark Wahlberg



(Page 38)
Your journey is not of medicine. It's miraculous

Science on human experience (#938)

Annabel Ream
Miracle caught on trucker's dashcam




(Page 39)
On personal experience (#962 and 963)
Mickie Winborn (Healed of ovarian cancer, 3 things that may be blocking your miracle)
Dr Tom Renfro (Tumors were growing), Miraculous healing and interview



(Page 40)
Supernatural human experiences and Observation (#388, 389)
Graham Cottone (Mental Illness – Jesus is the only source of peace that I have found))



(Page 41)
Shawn Michaels
Cancer disappears between check-ups
Why are some people healed and some people not?
Why isn't everyone healed?
Pastor Robert Morris returns to pulpit after near-death experience, details encounter with God



(Page 42)
2023 ASHBURY REVIVAL Phenomenon (reports of personal experiences happening)
Another campus experience revival
Ashbury revival testimonies
How Ashbury revival started

(Page 43)
Cedarville University revival
Uganda
Jesus Revolution
Justin Bieber


(Page 44)
Skydiver's Visions of Afterlife


(Page 45)
Radical Moment from Ashbury Revival
11-year old describes healing at Ashbury Revival


(Page 46)
Andrea Bocelli
Matthew McConaughey
Denzel Washington


(Page 48)
Jim Caveizel on Miracles in the making of The Passion Of The Christ (actor who played Jesus)
Pietro Sarrubi (actor who played Barabbas – conversion during filming)


[W:910] THE MOST POWERFUL EVIDENCE FOR GOD: PERSONAL TESTIMONIES

Bye-bye DC. You started this thread, mentioning "evidence for God." When it's pointed out that you have no such evidence, you bail out, apparently implying you're leaving the thread? Hohhh...kay.
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Every time OP says anything about Christianity remember that she has admitted that she would not save the lives of her hypothetical children if they were in a car wreck and needed a blood transfusion.

THAT is the Christianity that she follows.
 
Loulit01 said:
Personal testimonies are #1 on my Ignore the Whacko list.
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Well - you did ask for witnesses. 🤷

Lol - but it's interesting to see that you find these people "whackos."
If you recognize the names, you'd know that some of these are highly reputable scientists, or professionals!



William lane Craig
James Tour
CS Lewis
Nabeel Quireshi (Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus)
Lee Strobel
Alister McGrath
Francis Collins
Fighting a Battle between Drugs and God
Warner Wallace
Dr. Sy Garte (Biochemist)
 
tosca1 said:
Well - you did ask for witnesses. 🤷

Lol - but it's interesting to see that you find these people "whackos."
If you recognize the names, you'd know that some of these are highly reputable scientists, or professionals!



William lane Craig
James Tour
CS Lewis
Nabeel Quireshi (Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus)
Lee Strobel
Alister McGrath
Francis Collins
Fighting a Battle between Drugs and God
Warner Wallace
Dr. Sy Garte (Biochemist)
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Nobody's perfect. People believe what they want to believe. Millions of sane, responsible, law-abiding adults believe Trump was a good president. When it came to Trump they became whackos. When it comes to God, the above became whackos.

What about all the Hindus, Muslims and Buddhists who testify they've had experiences proving their beliefs correct? Can you all be right? Please.
 
The ever-so-inconsequential bit that "True Believers" fail to acknowledge is found in the final paragraph of Josephus' work

Whereupon Albinus complied with what they said, and wrote in anger to Ananus, and threatened that he would bring him to punishment for what he had done; on which king Agrippa took the high priesthood from him, when he had ruled but three months, and made Jesus, the son of Damneus, high priest
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As Origen, writing in the late 2nd century never mentioned this passage from Josephus, it, like the Testimonium Flavianum, is seen as an interpolation by a later scribe, one writing after Origen and before Eusebius in the early 4th century.



I must have been tired last night to post such an incoherent comment. I should have included that the quote is from Josephus' Antiquities, Book 20, Ch. 9 and from that chapter the words that cause historians to view the phrase "who was called Christ" as an interpolation.

AND now Caesar, upon hearing the death of Festus, sent Albinus into Judea, as procurator. But the king deprived Joseph of the high priesthood, and bestowed the succession to that dignity on the son of Ananus, who was also himself called Ananus. Now the report goes that this eldest Ananus proved a most fortunate man; for he had five sons who had all performed the office of a high priest to God, and who had himself enjoyed that dignity a long time formerly, which had never happened to any other of our high priests. But this younger Ananus, who, as we have told you already, took the high priesthood, was a bold man in his temper, and very insolent; he was also of the sect of the Sadducees, 1 who are very rigid in judging offenders, above all the rest of the Jews, as we have already observed; when, therefore, Ananus was of this disposition, he thought he had now a proper opportunity [to exercise his authority]. Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrim of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, [or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned
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tosca1 said:
Well - you did ask for witnesses. 🤷

Lol - but it's interesting to see that you find these people "whackos."
If you recognize the names, you'd know that some of these are highly reputable scientists, or professionals!
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An argument from authority fallacy. Just because they believe something does not make the belief true or factual.
tosca1 said:
There are millions who can be witnesses, based on their own personal experience(s).
Here are but a few:
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And ALL are meaningless in establishing the veracity of religious claims. It boils down to nothing more than "I believe this." Big deal. :rolleyes:
tosca1 said:
Testifying.
Personal testimonies are meant for that...................to help those who have not found Christ, leading them to Him.
Imho, personal testimonies can be the most powerful evidence for God.
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Your opinion is noted. In reality however, personal testimonies are the weakest for of "evidence" and notoriously unreliable.
 
Elora said:
http://isjesusalive.com/james-the-brother-of-jesus/
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Josephus doesn’t confirm anything. The Testimonium Flavium is widely regarded as a later scribal insertion that wasn’t in the original text (specifically because it’s totally out of context and would be blasphemous for a Roman-loyal Jew to write). Josephus’s other writings only state Christians exist and says what they believed. It does not in any way confirm those beliefs as true.

And every point after the first in that list is literally “the Bible says this”.
 
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