9-11: Who did it?[W:1493]

[kjwins]

Look at all the irrelevant nonsense thrown up instead of admitting Cheney had divested himself of Halliburton stock long before 911.

Just jumped from simple ignorance to blatant dishonesty.

Not really on Cheney, but I was being honest. I do like you.

 

[Bob0627]

Heaven forbid he should stay on-topic for more than one post.

Speaking of staying on topic, the topic is "9-11: Who did it?", not naval tactics. No one knows who specifically did it (meaning planned and carried out) so it's all speculatory (i.e. theoretical). But I strongly suspect the stench of who was involved are the very same war criminals I was referring to who massacred hundreds of thousands innocent people with WMDs (yeah, the kind they falsely accused Iraq of having in order to commit that massacre for massive MIC $$$$profit, hegemonic agenda, etc.) and committed all sorts of other human rights atrocities as well (which are all still going on daily).

So as for me, I'm right on topic. You? Not so much. If it doesn't fit the OCT and blasphemes those poor storytellers, it's naval tactics.

 

[Fledermaus]

I care about that a lot less than the very predictable total derail and evasion. Heaven forbid he should stay on-topic for more than one post.

I keep asking the OP if his questions are answered.


No response.

 

[Mark F]

I keep asking the OP if his questions are answered.

No response.

I determined the OP gave us a drive-by Truthing a while ago.

 

[Fledermaus]

Speaking of staying on topic, the topic is "9-11: Who did it?", not naval tactics. No one knows who specifically did it (meaning planned and carried out) so it's all speculatory (i.e. theoretical). But I strongly suspect the stench of who was involved are the very same war criminals I was referring to who massacred hundreds of thousands innocent people with WMDs (yeah, the kind they falsely accused Iraq of having in order to commit that massacre for massive MIC $$$$profit, hegemonic agenda, etc.) and committed all sorts of other human rights atrocities as well (which are all still going on daily).

So as for me, I'm right on topic. You? Not so much. If it doesn't fit the OCT and blasphemes those poor storytellers, it's naval tactics.

What WMDs Bob?

Is this like your fictional genocide?

 

[Mark F]

Speaking of staying on topic, the topic is "9-11: Who did it?", not naval tactics. No one knows who specifically did it (meaning planned and carried out) so it's all speculatory (i.e. theoretical).

No. Most of us know who did it, what they did, when they did it, where they did it, how they did it and why. We can name dates, places, times, provide a complete timeline of events (I can go back to 1918 if you like), etc, etc, etc,...

Perhaps you can't but that's a personal problem.

But I strongly suspect the stench of who was involved are the very same war criminals I was referring to who massacred hundreds of thousands innocent people with WMDs (yeah, the kind they falsely accused Iraq of having in order to commit that massacre for massive MIC $$$$profit, hegemonic agenda, etc.) and committed all sorts of other human rights atrocities as well (which are all still going on daily).

So as for me, I'm right on topic. You? Not so much. If it doesn't fit the OCT and blasphemes those poor storytellers, it's naval tactics.

By all means, don't let hyperbole, ideology and outright fabrication get in the way of an objective search for the truth.

 

[Fledermaus]

I determined the OP gave us a drive-by Truthing a while ago.

Ah, I remember

 

[Bob0627]

No. Most of us know who did it, what they did, when they did it, where they did it, how they did it and why. We can name dates, places, times, provide a complete timeline of events (I can go back to 1918 if you like), etc, etc, etc,...

You mean YOU were fed a fairy tale by the US government that YOU pretend to accept as 100% true and can and do recite it (or parts of it) every single day.

Perhaps you can't but that's a personal problem.

No I know it happened on 9/11/01 and that there was massive destruction and loss of life (people are still dying to this day directly from the effects of that destruction). I also know that anything about 9/11 that comes from the US government is nothing more than propaganda meant to get support for an agenda that has caused the death of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. I also know that the US government employs people to spend as much time as possible to convince others that their propaganda is actually the truth about 9/11 despite the massive contradictions and impossibilities and despite that they still have 10,000+ documents they're hiding from the public (among many other things they're hiding from the public). And I also know that the US government has succeeded in convincing millions that their fairy tale is reality. And that no matter what reality is exposed that contradicts the US government's fairy tale, many will still swear by the OCT and regurgitate the fairy tale verbatim daily. The examples are right here in this forum. I also know that millions of intelligent people are not buying it and understand the fraud because they experience all sorts of fraud committed by the US government every single day of their lives, and YOU are not exempt despite your pretenses.

By all means, don't let hyperbole, ideology and outright fabrication get in the way of an objective search for the truth.

Don't you worry about that, I know all about posters such as yourself and a few others here.

 

[Fledermaus]

Why lie?

 

[Mark F]

You mean YOU were fed a fairy tale by the US government that YOU pretend to accept as 100% true and can and do recite it (or parts of it) every single day.

No I know it happened on 9/11/01 and that there was massive destruction and loss of life (people are still dying to this day directly from the effects of that destruction). I also know that anything about 9/11 that comes from the US government is nothing more than propaganda meant to get support for an agenda that has caused the death of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. I also know that the US government employs people to spend as much time as possible to convince others that their propaganda is actually the truth about 9/11 despite the massive contradictions and impossibilities and despite that they still have 10,000+ documents they're hiding from the public (among many other things they're hiding from the public). And I also know that the US government has succeeded in convincing millions that their fairy tale is reality. And that no matter what reality is exposed that contradicts the US government's fairy tale, many will still swear by the OCT and regurgitate the fairy tale verbatim daily. The examples are right here in this forum. I also know that millions of intelligent people are not buying it and understand the fraud because they experience all sorts of fraud committed by the US government every single day of their lives, and YOU are not exempt despite your pretenses.

Don't you worry about that, I know all about posters such as yourself and a few others here.

All that rage against such an apparently unjust government and yet all you do is babble on an obscure internet forum.

If I felt like that I'd be taking up arms, or doing something, anything other than mindlessly spewing rhetoric only a half-dozen people are going to see.

 

[Thoreau72]

You know, in North Carolina, outside Seymour Johnson AFB there is an F-105, I think it's a 105, anyway there is a fighter that's buried in the ground. Pilot went nose first into the big green ball ball they cannot recover the aircraft or his remains. Just went right in. Wet, soggy ground, fast moving heavy machine...

If you were to have walked up on that even an hour after it happened, you wouldn't know a plane crash happened there. Think about that.

Have you ever considered the differences in construction and design between a fighter aircraft and an airliner? The different missions they fly?

Have you ever considered the difference between wet, soggy ground and the coal country of PA?

 

[Fledermaus]

Have you ever considered the differences in construction and design between a fighter aircraft and an airliner? The different missions they fly?

Have you ever considered the difference between wet, soggy ground and the coal country of PA?

Please,

Regale us with your extensive knowledge of crash dynamics.

 

[Thoreau72]

Please,

Regale us with your extensive knowledge of crash dynamics.

Why should I Maus? You possess no common sense and you're deeply in denial. I'm going out to mow the lawn--it's much more meaningful. :mrgreen:

 

[ballantine]

All that rage against such an apparently unjust government and yet all you do is babble on an obscure internet forum.

If I felt like that I'd be taking up arms, or doing something, anything other than mindlessly spewing rhetoric only a half-dozen people are going to see.

You're down to goading the audience? That's pretty damn low. Tell ya what - if you are a gubmint shill, go back and tell your masters they suck.

Quote me on it. Attach my name to it. I'm not afraid of your idiot government. They're not "unjust", they don't even rise to that level. They're too stupid to be "unjust". They've screwed up everything they've touched lately, and I for one am not happy about it, and neither are millions of other voters.

If you think this power structure is going to continue without the People's support you are sorely misguided and entirely deluded.

When things are going well the People will forgive a few excesses, but now it's pretty clear we're being robbed blind and this fool establishment is the reason for it. The thievery is going to stop, that's the first thing that'll happen.

This discussion is being replicated in hundreds of internet forums the world over. Don't even think for a fleeting microsecond that social media is insignificant in politics. Ask Hillary, she'll tell you. Yuk.

 

[Renae]

Have you ever considered the differences in construction and design between a fighter aircraft and an airliner? The different missions they fly?

Have you ever considered the difference between wet, soggy ground and the coal country of PA?

Have you ever considered that the options you present are to believe a conspiracy so large, and needing everything to be perfect or 4 airliners high jacked by islamic fanatics is almost comical?

 

[DifferentDrummr]

It was Mrs. Peacock in the Dining Room with the Lead Pipe.

 

[zyzygy]

Have you ever considered that the options you present are to believe a conspiracy so large, and needing everything to be perfect

And organized by an evil and cunning government who forgot to scatter body parts and wreckage at one crash site and leave so many clues about the whole operation so that anyone with an internet connection can unmask the nefarious plot. Not that those people have actually done much unmasking. None of them have a complete alternative theory.

 

[Renae]

And organized by an evil and cunning government who forgot to scatter body parts and wreckage at one crash site and leave so many clues about the whole operation so that anyone with an internet connection can unmask the nefarious plot. Not that those people have actually done much unmasking. None of them have a complete alternative theory.

Good point, good point. Also, a government so evil it kills in broad daylight and with Camera's everywhere but let's you live to spill the secrets? Hmm....

 

[ballantine]

Have you ever considered that the options you present are to believe a conspiracy so large, and needing everything to be perfect or 4 airliners high jacked by islamic fanatics is almost comical?

You don't understand how these things work.

There really were Islamist hijackers. They really were funded by rich Saudis. We really did know ahead of time that it was going to happen. Someone just let the rich Saudi islamists do their thing, for reasons of their own. Maybe they modified the plan a little, who knows.

Conspiracies don't require perfection. They only require everyone to do their job.

 

[Renae]

You don't understand how these things work.

There really were Islamist hijackers. They really were funded by rich Saudis. We really did know ahead of time that it was going to happen. Someone just let the rich Saudi islamists do their thing, for reasons of their own. Maybe they modified the plan a little, who knows.

Conspiracies don't require perfection. They only require everyone to do their job.

Or they were islamic radicals trying to being down the great satan. You are free to believe whatever silliness you want, I'll stick to reality.

 

[Fledermaus]

Why should I Maus? You possess no common sense and you're deeply in denial. I'm going out to mow the lawn--it's much more meaningful. :mrgreen:

TRANSLATION: Has no knowledge of crash dynamics

 

[Quag]

TRANSLATION: Has no knowledge of crash dynamics

Or anything else to do with aviation

 

[Fledermaus]

You don't understand how these things work.

There really were Islamist hijackers. They really were funded by rich Saudis. We really did know ahead of time that it was going to happen. Someone just let the rich Saudi islamists do their thing, for reasons of their own. Maybe they modified the plan a little, who knows.

Conspiracies don't require perfection. They only require everyone to do their job.

Citation for the claim we really knew ahead of time?

 

[Bob0627]

All that rage against such an apparently unjust government and yet all you do is babble on an obscure internet forum.

I don't "babble" just because my views don't match your boot licking government groveling propaganda.

If I felt like that I'd be taking up arms, or doing something, anything other than mindlessly spewing rhetoric only a half-dozen people are going to see.

Yeah I can tell what a hero you are.

 

[Bob0627]

a government so evil it kills in broad daylight and with Camera's everywhere

Well yeah, where have you been?

but let's you live to spill the secrets? Hmm....

I don't know who they actually assassinate because I don't believe they're going to advertise it (although there have been several suspicious assassinations) but the fact is they imprison people who spill secrets, especially about war crimes and crimes against the Constitution. You didn't know that?