9-11: Who did it?[W:1493]

[zyzygy]

The NDAA "Enabling" Act has nothing to do with the NSA. The NDAA is just him saying he can incarcerate anyone he wants without trial or jury indefinitely.

And how many people have been incarcerated? Names please.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

And how many people have been incarcerated? Names please.

American Whistleblowers in Prison and in Exile

Between them, Manning and Snowden ripped away the veneer and the rhetoric about freedom and democracy here. They revealed the great breach between what our government says it's doing and what it really does.

7 whistle-blowers facing more jail time than David Patraeus

1) Jeffrey Sterling
Sterling was a rank-and-file employee of the CIA when he gave New York Timesreporter James Risen top secret documents about Iran’s nuclear program. In his 2006 book State of War, Risen tells the story of a failed attempt by the CIA to sabotage an Iranian nuclear program way back in 2000. In January 2011, Sterling was arrested for revealing this information and spent much of the last four years awaiting trial as the court debated whether it could force Risen to testify against Sterling. Earlier this year, Sterling was convicted of nine felony counts under the Espionage Act, each carrying up to 10 years of prison time. Sterling is currently awaiting sentencing.

2) James Hitselberger
Working on contract as a linguist for the Navy in Bahrain, Hitselberger stuffed a military computer containing military secrets into his backpack and took them back to the United States. Those documents now sit in a collection named after Hitselberger at Stanford University and, while kept lock-in-key, supposedly contain classified information about troop positions and gaps in the military’s intelligence, as well as reports as far back as 1979 about the Iranian Revolution. Because Hitselberger pleaded guilty to one count under the Espionage Act last January, he is serving a minimal one-year sentence in a federal prison.

3) Stephen Jin-Woo Kim
While working at the State Department in 2009, Kim came across documents revealing North Korea planned to respond to a new round of UN sanctions with a new nuclear test, a promise the country ended up keeping. He gave the information to Fox News reporter James Rosen, who ran the story ahead of the UN sanctions. Last year, Kim was sentenced to 13 months in prison after a lengthy trial that largely centered on the Obama administration’s overly exuberant usage of the Espionage Act.

4) John Kiriakou
Aside from Brennan, Panetta, and Petraeus—who all served as director of the CIA—Kiriakou might be the most experienced intelligence official on this list. Recruited into the CIA in the 1990s, he revealed his storied career fighting communists in Greece and terrorists in Pakistan in his aptly titled book, The Reluctant Spy. Before he was charged under the Espionage Act, he had a history of revealing details about the CIA’s torture program; back in 2007, he became the first U.S. government official to verify the CIA and the military used waterboarding as an interrogation method on military detainees. He faced multiple charges related to his loose lips about such programs and, in 2013, was sentenced to 30 months in prison.

5) Shamai Leibowitz
The only FBI employee on this list, Leibowitz was prosecuted in 2010 for revealing classified details to a blogger. While Leibowitz was sentenced to 20 months in prison, what makes his case so interesting is the utter darkness in which the information he revealed has been kept. While the identity of the blogger he talked to has never been known, the actual information he leaked is so far under wraps even the judge who sentenced Leibowitz admitted to having no idea what he actually revealed.

(Continued in next post)

 

[Abbazorkzog]

6) Chelsea Manning
Easily the most famous person charged under the Espionage Act next to Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning is serving a 35-year prison sentence for what is possibly the biggest leak of classified information ever. While serving in Iraq as an intelligence analyst, Manning gave hundreds of thousands of top secret documents to WikiLeaks, the whistleblower site haven run by Julian Assange. The documents revealed wrongdoing by military officials—including the wonton deaths of Iraqi civilians—as well as the sloppy, disorganized nature of war. Denver Nicks, a reporter who wrote a biography of Manning, called the documents “the beginning of the information age exploding upon itself.”

7) Edward Snowden (Wanted)
Snowden’s actions are the only on this list to have earned their executor international fame—most likely because he is also the only person of these seven that is still at large. Over the last two years, Snowden has revealed a complex of mass surveillance so large it might end up defining the Obama administration’s placement in history. The administration has returned the favor by practically forcing Snowden to exile himself to Russia and charging him with numerous crimes under the Espionage Act, carrying the possibility of up to 30 years in prisonand the risk of further charges were a trial to ever start. While Snowden has expressed a desire to come back to the United States, it’s unlikely he ever will ever see his home country again—unless it’s through prison bars.

Only CIA Agent Jailed for Torture Program Is Whistleblower Who Confirmed Its Existence

Former operative John Kiriakou, currently in prison, was charged with a crime after helping expose widespread abuses conducted by agency

But instead of exposing war crimes, how about they just stop breaking the law, right? (List continues in next post)

 

[Abbazorkzog]

On Leak Prosecutions, Obama Takes it to 11. (Or Should We Say 526?)

Daniel Ellsberg and Anthony Russo (1973). Famous national security whistleblowers prosecuted for releasing the Pentagon Papers. Sentence: Charges dropped after revelations that President Nixon's henchmen burglarized Ellsberg's psychoanalyst looking for dirt and tried to bribe the judge in their case with the directorship of the FBI.

Samuel Morison (1985). Naval analyst who sent pictures of the Soviet navy to Jane's Fighting Ships, a reference book on the world's warships. Sentence: 24 months. He was subsequently pardoned by President Clinton, despite CIA objection.

Larry Franklin (2005). Pentagon analyst charged with leaking Iran-related intelligence material to lobbyists for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. Sentence: 10 months at a halfway house and 100 hours of community service.

Thomas Drake (2010). NSA whistleblower. Revealed waste at the agency in connection with the Trailblazer Project. Sentence: All espionage charges were later dropped, and Drake pled guilty to a misdemeanor. He was sentenced to a year of probation. The judge called the government's conduct in the case "unconscionable."

Shamai Leibowitz (2010). Orthodox Jewish FBI translator, concerned about ill-considered Israeli airstrike against Iran, revealed U.S. spying against Israeli diplomats to blogger. Sentence: 20 months. Amazingly, the sentencing judge said, "I don't know what was divulged other than some documents, and how it compromised things, I have no idea."

Chelsea Manning (2013). Wikileaks. Sentence: 420 months (35 years). As noted, it's heaviest sentence in history, almost twenty times the pre-Obama record.

John Kiriakou (2013). CIA analyst and case officer. Kiriakou was the whistleblower who revealed the secret CIA torture program. Sentence: 30 months.

Donald Sachtleben (2013). FBI agent and contractor alleged to have disclosed to the Associated Press details of a disrupted Yemen-based bomb plot. The wildly overbroad subpoena the Justice Department sent to the AP as a follow-up made national headlines. Sentence: 43 months. Longest ever imposed in civilian court.

Stephen Kim (2014). State Department advisor who disclosed information about North Korea's plans to test a nuclear bomb to a Fox News reporter. The reporter was investigated by the FBI as a possible "co-conspirator" for mere act of newsgathering. Sentence: 13 months.

 

[zyzygy]

Isn't disclosing classified information an offence?

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Isn't disclosing classified information an offence?

 

[zyzygy]

Have you?

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Have you?

Now be a good little citizen and turn in any Jews you see to the nearest Gestapo authorities. Wouldn't want anyone going to jail right?

 

[zyzygy]

Comparing the American government to the Nazi regime? If you want to change the law over there then vote for a party that has that in its manifesto. Godwinned. End of thread?

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Comparing the American government to the Nazi regime? If you want to change the law over there then vote for a party that has that in its manifesto. Godwinned. End of thread?

Grew up in the US and UK long enough to know our 'so-called' leaders are really just corporate spokesmen who represent special interests. Your argument is invalid yet again.

 

[Quag]

Comparing the American government to the Nazi regime? If you want to change the law over there then vote for a party that has that in its manifesto. Godwinned. End of thread?

Have you not read his sig? Every post is godwinned.

 

[zyzygy]

Grew up in the US and UK long enough to know our 'so-called' leaders are really just corporate spokesmen who represent special interests. Your argument is invalid yet again.

Name these special interests. Does it matter who the special interest leaders are?

 

[zyzygy]

Have you not read his sig? Every post is godwinned.

There is that. Perhaps somebody should tell him that the Third Reich only lasted 12 years.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Name these special interests.

No. I stated how corrupt our judicial and intelligence community is back in the U.S. You didn't believe me and demanded (not politely requested) names. I provided a rather gratuitous list of them. You responded with what I am torn between perceiving as innocent ignorance or just flat-out trolling. I went with the latter judging by your post history, deciding to joke around. You return to making snide ad hominem comments, and demand your monkey dance for you yet again, despite the fact that I have posted plenty of evidence in posts 552-554.

No. If you want proof of our systems of government not representing our citizens, refer back to 552-554. I will not dance to entertain his majesty, get off your ass and stop being so goddam cognitively dissonant.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Have you not read his sig? Every post is godwinned.

There is that. Perhaps somebody should tell him that the Third Reich only lasted 12 years.

Cute.

 

[zyzygy]

No. I stated how corrupt our judicial and intelligence community is back in the U.S. You didn't believe me and demanded (not politely requested) names. I provided a rather gratuitous list of them. You responded with what I am torn between perceiving as innocent ignorance or just flat-out trolling. I went with the latter judging by your post history, deciding to joke around. You return to making snide ad hominem comments, and demand your monkey dance for you yet again, despite the fact that I have posted plenty of evidence in posts 552-554.

No. If you want proof of our systems of government not representing our citizens, refer back to 552-554. I will not dance to entertain his majesty, get off your ass and stop being so goddam cognitively dissonant.

I googled some of the names. I was merely pointing out that they broke the law. Please quote my ad hom.

 

[zyzygy]

Cute.

So the rise of fascist Europe has not begun? 911 had nothing to do with Nazis so why did you drag them into this discussion?

 

[Fledermaus]

The NDAA "Enabling" Act has nothing to do with the NSA..

Bingo

The NDAA is just him saying he can incarcerate anyone he wants without trial or jury indefinitely.

Anyone he wants? It SAYS that?

Really?

By all means, please show me.

And without trial or jury indefinitely?

Might have to show me where that is written as well.

ETA - It appears from the list provided there WERE trials

 

[Abbazorkzog]

I googled some of the names. I was merely pointing out that they broke the law.

Don't worry its all legal.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

So the rise of fascist Europe has not begun? 911 had nothing to do with Nazis so why did you drag them into this discussion?

Please stop with the strawman bs. I want an exact quote of ANYWHERE I may have even hinted 9/11 had ANYTHING to do with Nazis.

And without trial or jury indefinitely?

Sure thing.

Guantánamo for US citizens? Senate bill raises questions

Military given go-ahead to detain US terrorist suspects without trial

 

[Fledermaus]

Please stop with the strawman bs. I want an exact quote of ANYWHERE I may have even hinted 9/11 had ANYTHING to do with Nazis.



Sure thing.

Guantánamo for US citizens? Senate bill raises questions

Military given go-ahead to detain US terrorist suspects without trial

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I smells moving goalposts

 

[Fledermaus]

Now be a good little citizen and turn in any Jews you see to the nearest Gestapo authorities. Wouldn't want anyone going to jail right?

Got GODWIN?

 

[zyzygy]

I smells moving goalposts

Me too.

 

[Thoreau72]

And how many people have been incarcerated? Names please.

No surprise, but clearly you do not understand the principle of law, how it works and what it means. :doh

 

[zyzygy]

How did we get from 911 to Nazis? The terrorists who hijacked the planes were not Nazis.