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9-11: Who did it?[W:1493]

Mark F said:
So your case essentially is I think this one document says X because I found some web site that claims is says X but I really couldn't be bothered to verify it for myself. Is there another document you haven't bothered to actually read or comprehend whose contents you are just going to assume support your claim that you would like us to consider?
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Lawrence B. "Larry" Wilkerson is a retired United States Army Colonel and former chief of staff to United States Secretary of State Colin Powell. talks (a little) about the PNAC RTAmerica | August 31, 2010

 
zyzygy said:
I see. Thank you.
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Yeah, it really got me goin when I saw the picture. Sometimes I think that our country is being sacrificed by nefarious people who want to go to war.
 
Mark F said:
So your case essentially is I think this one document says X because I found some web site that claims is says X but I really couldn't be bothered to verify it for myself. Is there another document you haven't bothered to actually read or comprehend whose contents you are just going to assume support your claim that you would like us to consider?
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Oliver Stone's Untold History of the United States is a must see 58 minute video for it is a flashback to the hubristic formation of this present empire in the human form as the creators of the official 9/11 story ~ George W Bush, Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz's Infamous pipe dream of PNAC ~ which predicted the eventual global dominance of America and its surrogate state of Israel. The war on terror is still a smokescreen to cover up U.S and Israeli involvement in the false flag of 9/11 and the eventual metamorphosis of America from a Republic to its present day plutocracy and Empire ~ while still remaining shrouded in secrecy: Allen L Roland, Ph.D


“If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” Adolf Hitler
 
Mark F said:
So your case essentially is I think this one document says X because I found some web site that claims is says X but I really couldn't be bothered to verify it for myself. Is there another document you haven't bothered to actually read or comprehend whose contents you are just going to assume support your claim that you would like us to consider?
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Fact checked 3 times by 3 different teams of historians.

 
Mark F said:
So your case essentially is I think this one document says X because I found some web site that claims is says X but I really couldn't be bothered to verify it for myself. Is there another document you haven't bothered to actually read or comprehend whose contents you are just going to assume support your claim that you would like us to consider?
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Shall I continue.
 
kjwins said:
Shall I continue.
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Only if you can be concise, state the case in your own words using video or audio sources as backup AND can do it in a manner that isn't a Gish-Gallopy spam fest.

Crap like the above is not likely to get a favorable response from me.
 
Mark F said:
Only if you can be concise, state the case in your own words using video or audio sources as backup AND can do it in a manner that isn't a Gish-Gallopy spam fest.

Crap like the above is not likely to get a favorable response from me.
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Well if a NSA whistleblower, the chief of staff to United States Secretary of State Colin Powell, & a man that spent 5 years making a documentary on the United States. That was fact checked 3 times. Is not good enough for you, what can my words do.

Who said I wanted you're response?
 
Fledermaus said:
The 911 "truth" movement peaked in 2006.

Since then it is on a decline.

A decade a still no intelligent counter theory.

A decade and still no real.smoking gun.
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DRAKE: That's right. I was never actually interviewed for the 9/11 Commission.
JAY: Why?
DRAKE: Because I think my testimony was so explosive. It was smoking gun evidence of NSA's culpability.
JAY: Yeah. Just to remind people, we talked about this in an earlier segment, that the NSA actually had eavesdropping hard evidence of the connection between these guys, two guys that end up on the American Airlines flight in San Diego and what was known as a Yemeni switchboard for al-Qaeda, and I'm sure much more than that.
DRAKE: Oh, actually, far more. That was just one part of it. There was actually an entire intelligence report that they had done prior--months and months. It was actually in early 2001 that NSA refused to allow it to go out for distribution to the rest of the community. And the analysts were beside themselves. I didn't find out about it until shortly after 9/11, when it was brought to me.
JAY: What was in it?
DRAKE: The entire network that we knew at that time, based on signals intelligence.
JAY: The entire network that winds up doing 9/11.
DRAKE: The entire al-Qaeda and associated movement. Yes. Not every single hijacker, but most of them were known. Yes.
JAY: Well, I've got to return to something we talked about earlier. There's a back channel to Cheney. You can't sit on this stuff.
DRAKE: Of course not.
 
“I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed, without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today – my own government.”


― Martin Luther King Jr.
 
kjwins said:
DRAKE: That's right. I was never actually interviewed for the 9/11 Commission.
JAY: Why?
DRAKE: Because I think my testimony was so explosive. It was smoking gun evidence of NSA's culpability.
JAY: Yeah. Just to remind people, we talked about this in an earlier segment, that the NSA actually had eavesdropping hard evidence of the connection between these guys, two guys that end up on the American Airlines flight in San Diego and what was known as a Yemeni switchboard for al-Qaeda, and I'm sure much more than that.
DRAKE: Oh, actually, far more. That was just one part of it. There was actually an entire intelligence report that they had done prior--months and months. It was actually in early 2001 that NSA refused to allow it to go out for distribution to the rest of the community. And the analysts were beside themselves. I didn't find out about it until shortly after 9/11, when it was brought to me.
JAY: What was in it?
DRAKE: The entire network that we knew at that time, based on signals intelligence.
JAY: The entire network that winds up doing 9/11.
DRAKE: The entire al-Qaeda and associated movement. Yes. Not every single hijacker, but most of them were known. Yes.
JAY: Well, I've got to return to something we talked about earlier. There's a back channel to Cheney. You can't sit on this stuff.
DRAKE: Of course not.
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Relevance?

Just because you found a phrase is irrelevant.
 
jet57 said:
I don't really think we know how long the prep was. I know that it sounds screwy, but there's just some element of truth hiding in there that gives me pause.

As for your versions of 911, you really have to back and look at the beginning of the first X Files movie...
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"My" version is the.one based on the evidence.

What is your counter theory?
 
Fledermaus said:
Why is not being a lawyer relevant?

It is written in layman's term.

If you need help, ask.
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Ha you want to help me. Something tells me your not being sincere.
 
kjwins said:
Ha you want to help me. Something tells me your not being sincere.
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Well, you have gotten the.intent and content of the PNAC wrong.

Add to that you refuse to read the.document.

Someone has to save.you from your intentional ignorance.

You do realize the OPINION PIECE you wrote about really didn't say what YOU wanted it to say... Right?
 
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Fledermaus said:
Relevance?

Just because you found a phrase is irrelevant.
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Drake was left out of the 9/11 Commission, because he knew to much & would not lie.

NSA knew about most of the hijackers before 9/11. Back channel intelligence to Cheney sat on it. They let it happen on purpose.
 
Fledermaus said:
Well, you have gotten the.intent and content of the PNAC wrong.

Add to that you refuse to read the.document.

Someone has to save.you from your intentional ignorance.

You do realize the OPINION PIECE you wrote really didn't say what YOU wanted it to say... Right?
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It said enough, plus I posted other sources.
 
Fledermaus said:
Well, you have gotten the.intent and content of the PNAC wrong.

Add to that you refuse to read the.document.

Someone has to save.you from your intentional ignorance.

You do realize the OPINION PIECE you wrote really didn't say what YOU wanted it to say... Right?
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Also I said I would read it. You watch the interview & read A Peoples History of the United States. Then I will read it.
 
kjwins said:
Drake was left out of the 9/11 Commission, because he knew to much & would not lie.
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I would ask you for EVIDENCE to support this claim.

But we both know you will not provide it.

kjwins said:
NSA knew about most of the hijackers before 9/11. Back channel intelligence to Cheney sat on it. They let it happen on purpose.
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Most of the hijackers? Strange. It took a while for the FBI to figure out all the hijackers.

So, citation please.
 
kjwins said:
Also I said I would read it. You watch the interview & read A Peoples History of the United States. Then I will read it.
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You brought the PNAC document into the discussion.

Even though you never read it.

Now you set conditions?

Wow.

Ridiculous on so many levels.
 
So...

The perpetrators of 9/11.

What laws had they broken prior to the trip to the airport?

You clamor about Nazis, empires and if I am not mistaken police states...

What would you have locked them up for before they committed a crime?
 
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