9-11: Who did it?[W:1493]

[Fledermaus]

heres a shot of the damage

somehow the buildings that surround the wtc are almost completely undamaged yet just wtc 7 somehow "melted" from all these "uncontrollable fires", yet even the buildings you mention are still standing, weird huh? though a few windows are knocked out and theres some minor roof damage there still just as tall, because apparently all it takes for a 100+ story skyscraper too melt is a little water pipe damage and a small fire?

What "melted"?

Have you read ANYTHING presented (other than on the AE911 site) as to cause of collapse?

 

[dimensionallava]

You linked to them.

www. ae911truth. org

yes i did

i just didn't recognize that acronym right away, when i googled it, I realized you were referencing one of my links, but i don't regurgitate talking points about 9/11 from them which is what you insinuated i did, which was very mean of you

 

[dimensionallava]

What "melted"?

Have you read ANYTHING presented (other than on the AE911 site) as to cause of collapse?

no i don't know what caused the collapse thats the point all I know is that official explanation is bullcrap yet nobody investigated it at all which is also bullcrap

 

[kjwins]

Don't know about the planes & the buildings on 9/11 but according to:

THOMAS DRAKE, WHISTLEBLOWER I consider NSA quite culpable. In fact--extraordinarily culpable. And they've been covering up their culpability ever since.

 

[Fledermaus]

no i don't know what caused the collapse thats the point all I know is that official explanation is bullcrap yet nobody investigated it at all which is also bullcrap

The bolded is an absolute lie.

 

[Fledermaus]

Don't know about the planes & the buildings on 9/11 but according to:

THOMAS DRAKE, WHISTLEBLOWER I consider NSA quite culpable. In fact--extraordinarily culpable. And they've been covering up their culpability ever since.

And he said?

 

[kjwins]

DRAKE: I'm extraordinarily burdened by history. It's the what ifs, it's the dirty knowledge I had about secret surveillance, it's the dirty knowledge about critical intelligence that NSA actually had prior to 9/11 that was not shared properly with national command authorities, as we call them. They could have stopped 9/11 all by itself, just from the NSA intelligence, never mind CIA or FBI. It was a systemic failure.

 

[dimensionallava]

The bolded is an absolute lie.

alright so maybe you could help me out here and explain (or source) the amount of research that went into finding out "what really happened" on 9/11, because what ive seen is the 9/11 commission report which was a joke, and only re affirms the party line, its basically a detailed description of whatever the government wants too tell you

not only were people, including cheney and bush not sworn to oath but they weren't even required to make their answers public and several pages of that report are classified even though the report because of censoring does not include many (if any) facts

 

[kjwins]

alright so maybe you could help me out here and explain (or source) the amount of research that went into finding out "what really happened" on 9/11, because what ive seen is the 9/11 commission report which was a joke, and only re affirms the party line, its basically a detailed description of whatever the government wants too tell you

not only were people, including cheney and bush not sworn to oath but they weren't even required to make their answers public and several pages of that report are classified even though the report because of censoring does not include many (if any) facts

Drake said that the NSA knew about the hijackers in San Diego before 9/11 & covered it up. Here is his statement.

"NSA had the content of telephone calls between AA-77 [American Airlines 77] hijacker Khalid al-Mihdhar in San Diego, CA, and the known al-Qaeda safe house switchboard in Yemen well before 9/11, and had not disseminated that information beyond NSA.

"In short, when confronted with the prospect of fessing up, NSA chose instead to obstruct the 9/11 congressional investigation, play dumb, and keep the truth buried, including the fact that it knew about all inbound and outbound calls to the safe house switchboard in Yemen. NSA's senior leaders took me off the task because they realized--belatedly, for some reason--that I would not take part in covering up the truth about how much NSA knew but did not share.

 

[Fledermaus]

alright so maybe you could help me out here and explain (or source) the amount of research that went into finding out "what really happened" on 9/11, because what ive seen is the 9/11 commission report which was a joke, and only re affirms the party line, its basically a detailed description of whatever the government wants too tell you

The FBI investigated with over half their strength. The NTSB investigated. The FAA investigated. The NYPD investigated. The local police and state police in VA, DC and PA investigated. The military investigated. The NSA investigated. The CIA investigated.

The 9/11 Commission Report draws from these and other investigations.

What exactly do you not agree with the Commission Report? Have you READ the report? Or are you depending on someone's OPINION of what it states?

not only were people, including cheney and bush not sworn to oath but they weren't even required to make their answers public and several pages of that report are classified even though the report because of censoring does not include many (if any) facts

And?

This has what to do with those that DID investigate?

 

[Fledermaus]

Drake said that the NSA knew about the hijackers in San Diego before 9/11 & covered it up. Here is his statement.

"NSA had the content of telephone calls between AA-77 [American Airlines 77] hijacker Khalid al-Mihdhar in San Diego, CA, and the known al-Qaeda safe house switchboard in Yemen well before 9/11, and had not disseminated that information beyond NSA.

"In short, when confronted with the prospect of fessing up, NSA chose instead to obstruct the 9/11 congressional investigation, play dumb, and keep the truth buried, including the fact that it knew about all inbound and outbound calls to the safe house switchboard in Yemen. NSA's senior leaders took me off the task because they realized--belatedly, for some reason--that I would not take part in covering up the truth about how much NSA knew but did not share.

So we confirm there were hijackers....

Governmental bung-up.

Now, other than CYA after the fact what does this factoid show?

What laws had Khalid al-Mihdhar broken up to that point?

 

[Fledermaus]

dimensionallava,

Have you realized by now your "in their own footprint" statements were rather naive?

 

[kjwins]

So we confirm there were hijackers....

Governmental bung-up.

Now, other than CYA after the fact what does this factoid show?

What laws had Khalid al-Mihdhar broken up to that point?

The fact that they had all the info & did nothing about it. They knew these guys were learning to take off & not land.

Bob Graham: Well, without by giving this answer inferring that I believe that they did in fact have reason to believe that this attack was about to occur and made a conscious decision to suppress that information, if there were any evidence--and to my knowledge there is none--of course that would be a line of inquiry that would be central to answering the question of what was the Saudis' role and why did the United States cover it up.

He's talking about Bush & Cheney.

DRAKE: Yeah. But remember, this part of the burden. I was there literally when they had tried to drop the World Trade Center towers the first time. So part of the fear was that they would come back using something different. We also knew about the Bojinka. This was that plot during the mid '90s about blowing up airliners over the Pacific. This idea that Condi Rice postulates that no one could have imagined, it was well imagined that you could use airplanes as missiles. All known. And I'm not even addressing what--you already touched on some of it, my fellow whistleblower, FBI, Coleen Rowley, right, what became the infamous letter that she sent to the director of the FBI and testified before the Judiciary Committee. Yeah, it was known

 

[dimensionallava]

What exactly do you not agree with the Commission Report?

how about this entire wikipedia dedicated to criticisms of the 9/11 commision report? Are you really ready too debunk that? I dont think you are

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_9/11_Commission

And?

This has what to do with those that DID investigate?

what im curious about is why do you think bush and cheney insisted they wouldn't even be required to speak under oath about it? or that its 14 years later yet massive amounts of information, something US senators (the select few with clearance) have confirmed would amaze most americans, is still classified? 1 year later for "national security" sure, 2 years later maybe, 14 years later your full of crap

 

[dimensionallava]

dimensionallava,

Have you realized by now your "in their own footprint" statements were rather naive?

no, why?

 

[Fledermaus]

The fact that they had all the info & did nothing about it. They knew these guys were learning to take off & not land.

And the NSA knew that?

Please.

Take a moment to think before responding.

Bob Graham: Well, without by giving this answer inferring that I believe that they did in fact have reason to believe that this attack was about to occur and made a conscious decision to suppress that information, if there were any evidence--and to my knowledge there is none--of course that would be a line of inquiry that would be central to answering the question of what was the Saudis' role and why did the United States cover it up.

So, the "cover up" (Which numerous folk already know the content of) has to do with Saudi being one of the entities funding of 9/11.

If you did a little actual research you would find the FBI backtracked much of the funding and, lo and behold, some Saudis helped fund the terrorist attacks...

And?

He's talking about Bush & Cheney.

Hes talking about Bush & Cheney what?

DRAKE: Yeah. But remember, this part of the burden. I was there literally when they had tried to drop the World Trade Center towers the first time. So part of the fear was that they would come back using something different. We also knew about the Bojinka. This was that plot during the mid '90s about blowing up airliners over the Pacific. This idea that Condi Rice postulates that no one could have imagined, it was well imagined that you could use airplanes as missiles. All known. And I'm not even addressing what--you already touched on some of it, my fellow whistleblower, FBI, Coleen Rowley, right, what became the infamous letter that she sent to the director of the FBI and testified before the Judiciary Committee. Yeah, it was known

OMG - Some folks imagined airliners could be used as weapons,,,,

Debt of Honor (1994) novel by Tom Clancy had an airliner ramming a joint session of Congress.

1944-1945 Hundreds and hundreds of Japanese attacked American ships...

And?

 

[Fledermaus]

how about this entire wikipedia dedicated to criticisms of the 9/11 commision report? Are you really ready too debunk that? I dont think you are

I asked you.

I didnt ask Wiki.

What exactly do you not agree with?

what im curious about is why do you think bush and cheney insisted they wouldn't even be required to speak under oath about it? or that its 14 years later yet massive amounts of information, something US senators (the select few with clearance) have confirmed would amaze most americans, is still classified? 1 year later for "national security" sure, 2 years later maybe, 14 years later your full of crap

AND: You might want to brush up on the law. Especially Presidents and subpoena and/or testifying under oath.

And these so called "massive amounts of information". Have you a clue what they are? Why they are classified?

 

[Fledermaus]

no, why?

Ummm

Take a look at the photos YOU provided...

Take a look at WTC 3, 4, 5, 6

Where are they?

 

[kjwins]

And the NSA knew that?

Please.

Take a moment to think before responding.



So, the "cover up" (Which numerous folk already know the content of) has to do with Saudi being one of the entities funding of 9/11.

If you did a little actual research you would find the FBI backtracked much of the funding and, lo and behold, some Saudis helped fund the terrorist attacks...

And?



Hes talking about Bush & Cheney what?



OMG - Some folks imagined airliners could be used as weapons,,,,

Debt of Honor (1994) novel by Tom Clancy had an airliner ramming a joint session of Congress.

1944-1945 Hundreds and hundreds of Japanese attacked American ships...

And?

NSA knew an attack was coming, They know about the hijackers learning to fly planes, but not land. They were tapping their phone calls to Yemen. FBI & CIA also know about the hijackers in San Diego. People inside the agencies are screaming that some type of attack is coming. Are you telling me that they couldn't but 2 & 2 together.

Drake also says that there is a backdoor channel of intelligence going to Cheney. Kind of his own little special NSA that only reports to him.

Graham is saying that Bush & Cheney made a conscious decision to suppress information that an attack was coming. In other words they were willing to let it happen.

Its all part of a pattern, all the info was there. Then Rice says no one could have imagined. They ****ing knew, not saying they knew the time & place for sure, but they could have stopped it.

Plus whats the deal with Bandar Bush & flying the Binladen family out of the country right after it happened.

Take a moment to think before responding & this is the CT forum.

 

[Bob0627]

anyone who thinks the wtc collapsed without the use of explosives is an idiot

I'm not sure if you realize some of these posters are fakes. Anyone who spends nearly every single day defending the OCT fairy tale, claims virtually all questions have been answered and religiously defends the storytellers (i.e. the US government) and invents all sorts of excuses when cornered and questions none of them or the fairy tale is not for real. You'll find several posters here who fit every single one of these characteristics and that's the type of poster you're arguing 9/11 with. No one who has done the research is that narrow minded and focused daily into trying to convince others the OCT is legitimate and that the US government and its $multi-trillion intelligence/military apparatus was either completely caught with its pants down and/or catastrophically incompetent.

You can tell who is a legitimate poster as one who does believe the OCT is true for the most part but still has many questions and does have a reasonable amount of skepticism. After all, all one needs to do is just some superficial research to discover massive problems with the OCT.

 

[Bob0627]

not saying they knew the time & place for sure, but they could have stopped it.

9/11 Family Member Patty Casazza: Government Knew Exact Date and Exact Targets

George Washington's Blog: 9/11 Family Member Patty Casazza: Government Knew Exact Date and Exact Targets

 

[kjwins]

I'm not sure if you realize some of these posters are fakes. Anyone who spends nearly every single day defending the OCT fairy tale, claims virtually all questions have been answered and religiously defends the storytellers (i.e. the US government) and invents all sorts of excuses when cornered and questions none of them or the fairy tale is not for real. You'll find several posters here who fit every single one of these characteristics and that's the type of poster you're arguing 9/11 with. No one who has done the research is that narrow minded and focused daily into trying to convince others the OCT is legitimate and that the US government and its $multi-trillion intelligence/military apparatus was either completely caught with its pants down and/or catastrophically incompetent.

You can tell who is a legitimate poster as one who does believe the OCT is true for the most part but still has many questions and does have a reasonable amount of skepticism. After all, all one needs to do is just some superficial research to discover massive problems with the OCT.

I will ask him straight out, are you one of these guys Flushermaus? Sure does sound like you.

 

[ballantine]

I'm not sure if you realize some of these posters are fakes.

Of course they are.

Just like McAdams.

I mean, without that... it's hard to imagine how anyone could be that stupid.

Gnome sain'?

 

[Fledermaus]

NSA knew an attack was coming,

SHOW ME...

They know about the hijackers learning to fly planes, but not land.

The NSA knew? SHOW ME...

They were tapping their phone calls to Yemen.

And they discussed hijacking airliners? SHOW ME...

FBI & CIA also know about the hijackers in San Diego.

And they knew they were going to hijack airliners and ram them into buildings.. They KNEW they were hijackers before they hijacked anything? SHOW ME...

People inside the agencies are screaming that some type of attack is coming. Are you telling me that they couldn't but 2 & 2 together.

And what intelligence did they have? You have a time and place and taret for the attacks? SHOW ME...

Drake also says that there is a backdoor channel of intelligence going to Cheney. Kind of his own little special NSA that only reports to him.

And this is indicative of WHAT exactly? It is still the NSA.

Graham is saying that Bush & Cheney made a conscious decision to suppress information that an attack was coming.

REALLY? WHERE DID HE STATE THAT? SHOW ME....

In other words they were willing to let it happen.

According to WHOM?

Its all part of a pattern, all the info was there. Then Rice says no one could have imagined. They ****ing knew, not saying they knew the time & place for sure, but they could have stopped it.

Stopped HOW? Round up every Arabic male? Or gun them down? HOW if they don't know the time, the place, the targets?

Plus whats the deal with Bandar Bush & flying the Binladen family out of the country right after it happened.

Who is "Bandar Bush" and you can darn well figure it why the Bin Laden family left... Or, in your police state people are guilty of crimes their disowned kin commit?

Take a moment to think before responding & this is the CT forum.

So... No time, no place, no target, and not even sure of the mode of attack......

Lets lock down all the airports. Jail all the Arab males...

 

[Fledermaus]

I will ask him straight out, are you one of these guys Flushermaus? Sure does sound like you.

Aw, childish insults...

Just cant help yourself? Can you?

Since Bob has lied early and often about other posters I am no obligation to answer your question since it is based on lies and misrepresentation.