9/11 Skeptics, how did it happen?

[Pull My Finger]

I was hoping to hear some stories about how the skeptics became skeptics.

I’ll get the ball rolling…

I was not a ‘conspiracy person’ until 06, so 9/11 sailed right by for me without any real thought. I hadn’t heard a single thing about the controversy over 9/11. If I did, it went right past me…

Like anyone else, I knew about the corruption, we’re getting reamed, the media was mostly bs, etc, but that was it. I thought people who took it to the conspiracy side were a little loopy.

I remember watching the buildings come down that day and thinking ‘whoa, that looks like a planned demolition.’ Even the news was saying it as I channel surfed…
I didn’t even notice, though I saw it fall that day, that tower 7 disappeared from the news… I completely forgot about it.

I was behind the WOT, the Afghan war, and even (gulp) Iraq. This all happened in passing, while consumed with my own life. I was barely paying attention…

I saw the Patriot Act signed, thought nothing of it. Didn’t even know what it was about (except the WOT). I heard about the wiretapping thing, and wasn’t surprised they wanted to do it – though I thought they should have done it legally…

I didn’t follow the 9/11 investigation, or even know when it was.

I was basically an ignoramus when it came to 9/11. I bought the official story, hook, line, and sinker… :3oops:

In 2006, someone handed my wife a burnt copy of the first loose change (sigh, I know). All I knew was it was about 9/11. It sat on the table for at least 2 weeks. Finally, I had some time to kill, so I popped it in and gave it a look.

The first thing I noticed was the kids, so it immediately dropped a few notches as far as seriousness went. I watched it like I would watch a cartoon. When it was over, I felt defiant, maybe even threatened. Stupid kids. I went to my computer immediately to find proof of some of the things they said. I was finding it – and more.

I spent 6-8 months looking into it in my spare time. Some probably know where that leads… The banks… The whole enchilada… After 6-8 months. I stopped looking, and sat on it for about 2 weeks. Up until this point, I had spoken of this to nobody.

I started asking people things like ‘did you here anything about the suspicious trades, or the warnings to certain people not to fly commercially?’ Some people had heard stuff, but most hadn’t. I didn’t push it.

I know it’s kind of fromage, but it was an awful 2 weeks. I struggled whether I was crazy, I felt pissed and duped, I was scared to bring it up for fear of ridicule, I didn’t want to be ‘one of those people’, was I kidding myself into thinking it was true, was I kidding myself into thinking it wasn’t, and (quite honestly) I was scared. I’ve never been more unsure of myself than at that time.

Never having been to an online discussion forum, I signed up and started talking about it. I had no idea skeptics were so hated. The venom. At first I wondered if I was out in left field, but as I tried to dialogue with people, it seemed like most everyone had gone retarded. How DARE I question the official version of things.

That’s when I knew I wasn’t in Kansas anymore.

As an aside:

Three of us were outside for lunch where I worked. There were a few other people there. We were tossing around questions and possibilities about 9/11, just a normal discussion, nobody was foaming at the mouth or anything. Later that day we got hauled in and warned not to discuss 9/11 because we were an American company. (A company unrelated to anything to do with 9/11 or WOT, as far as I knew)

Now, I’ve heard some of the sickest shit I’ve ever heard at lunch. Not a peep about people getting completely disgusting in mixed company. (which is fine) I’ve even heard people discuss other conspiracy stuff…

But discuss 9/11, banned. I was so shocked that I was speechless. ME. I was very close with the people telling me to shut up. I didn’t object, or make a peep – not like me at all. I was just so stunned.

The 3 of us talked about it later. All 3 of us were convinced there was something to these 9/11 questions…

Peace

 

[creativedreams]

I was hoping to hear some stories about how the skeptics became skeptics.

I’ll get the ball rolling…

I was not a ‘conspiracy person’ until 06, so 9/11 sailed right by for me without any real thought. I hadn’t heard a single thing about the controversy over 9/11. If I did, it went right past me…

Like anyone else, I knew about the corruption, we’re getting reamed, the media was mostly bs, etc, but that was it. I thought people who took it to the conspiracy side were a little loopy.

I remember watching the buildings come down that day and thinking ‘whoa, that looks like a planned demolition.’ Even the news was saying it as I channel surfed…
I didn’t even notice, though I saw it fall that day, that tower 7 disappeared from the news… I completely forgot about it.

I was behind the WOT, the Afghan war, and even (gulp) Iraq. This all happened in passing, while consumed with my own life. I was barely paying attention…

I saw the Patriot Act signed, thought nothing of it. Didn’t even know what it was about (except the WOT). I heard about the wiretapping thing, and wasn’t surprised they wanted to do it – though I thought they should have done it legally…

I didn’t follow the 9/11 investigation, or even know when it was.

I was basically an ignoramus when it came to 9/11. I bought the official story, hook, line, and sinker… :3oops:

In 2006, someone handed my wife a burnt copy of the first loose change (sigh, I know). All I knew was it was about 9/11. It sat on the table for at least 2 weeks. Finally, I had some time to kill, so I popped it in and gave it a look.

The first thing I noticed was the kids, so it immediately dropped a few notches as far as seriousness went. I watched it like I would watch a cartoon. When it was over, I felt defiant, maybe even threatened. Stupid kids. I went to my computer immediately to find proof of some of the things they said. I was finding it – and more.

I spent 6-8 months looking into it in my spare time. Some probably know where that leads… The banks… The whole enchilada… After 6-8 months. I stopped looking, and sat on it for about 2 weeks. Up until this point, I had spoken of this to nobody.

I started asking people things like ‘did you here anything about the suspicious trades, or the warnings to certain people not to fly commercially?’ Some people had heard stuff, but most hadn’t. I didn’t push it.

I know it’s kind of fromage, but it was an awful 2 weeks. I struggled whether I was crazy, I felt pissed and duped, I was scared to bring it up for fear of ridicule, I didn’t want to be ‘one of those people’, was I kidding myself into thinking it was true, was I kidding myself into thinking it wasn’t, and (quite honestly) I was scared. I’ve never been more unsure of myself than at that time.

Never having been to an online discussion forum, I signed up and started talking about it. I had no idea skeptics were so hated. The venom. At first I wondered if I was out in left field, but as I tried to dialogue with people, it seemed like most everyone had gone retarded. How DARE I question the official version of things.

That’s when I knew I wasn’t in Kansas anymore.

As an aside:

Three of us were outside for lunch where I worked. There were a few other people there. We were tossing around questions and possibilities about 9/11, just a normal discussion, nobody was foaming at the mouth or anything. Later that day we got hauled in and warned not to discuss 9/11 because we were an American company. (A company unrelated to anything to do with 9/11 or WOT, as far as I knew)

Now, I’ve heard some of the sickest shit I’ve ever heard at lunch. Not a peep about people getting completely disgusting in mixed company. (which is fine) I’ve even heard people discuss other conspiracy stuff…

But discuss 9/11, banned. I was so shocked that I was speechless. ME. I was very close with the people telling me to shut up. I didn’t object, or make a peep – not like me at all. I was just so stunned.

The 3 of us talked about it later. All 3 of us were convinced there was something to these 9/11 questions…

Peace

Never in my life did I think I would believe in some kooky conspiracy theory.

I used to post on many areas of politics and issues until I started to look into 9/11.

The more I researched the more I realized this conspiracy is getting quite disturbing.

It is a daunting task though, to filter through some of the misinformation and whacky theories to get to the core indisputable facts.

Many times I would find some connecting information that would literally shock me and I would ask myself....can this be true?.....then I would research to try to either verify or discredit it and often times it is indisputable facts with undenyable sources....and much of it is in plain sight.

One thing I have learned through extensive research is there is no doubt American media today is censored on which stories not to be published....accomplished through the fact that America's corporate government and America's corporate media work hand and hand at the top of the pyramid scheme...ponzi scheme.

 

[BmanMcfly]

When I was coming out of high school, I had started to learn about various forms of corruption, and was very 'anti-corporatists', because ultimately the vast majority of large companies really do cause more harm then the good they are meant to create. Listened to alot of rap and punk rock (yes odd combination), and did ALOT of reading at the time...

After I graduated I started going to several different protest rallies, mostly anti-globalisation protests. Where, I was just a few feet from the corner of the building when I heard a piece of glass break... walked a few feet to see what happened, and there was already a line of cops ready to keep the protestors out, behind them were a couple 'anarchists' (faces covered, all black)... the cops weren't going after them though... they started pushing protestors back.

Then I'd try to explain these matters to other people and they were like 'oh but it'll be good for jobs'... I tried explaining : "well, it's good for jobs if you want to work in China or mexico"... but alas, the protests were politically useless... that hardly even made mention in the newspapers the next day, if only to focus on the violent element or the most rediculous clown at the event.

So, I went back to 'sleep'... I was what you might call a 'bar star' for a couple years, going out 3-4 nights a week, waking up at strangers places more often then I'd like to admit... and then one day I see the new president getting sworn in...It was GWBush... even as he was standing there giving the pledge of allegience I could see the (the only word I could use to describe) evil in his eyes. I litterally shivered when I first saw him...

I carried on, started working once I had finished a computer programming diploma, but what they didn't say in the brochure is that most people taking that course get hired, for the bottom of the barrel jobs. So, I was working latenights and the one morning I get woken up by a phone call, it's a buddy of mine saying some craziness is going on in New york, planes crashing into buildings and all that... I was like 'ya right'... I told him to the effect 'well, you know what I was always telling you about most of the world hating america, it seems someones lashed out....... unless they have a scapegoat in within the next day, then it was probably the US doing it to itself to go to war.'

I tried bringing this up to a good number of people of the potential of this being a staged attack... nobody seemed to be able to grasp why this would be done, some would have much more 'violent' outbursts of 'patriotism'... I had seen Bush's 'you're either with us or against us' speech and how it was parroted in every newspaper it seemed... because noone could eveen ACCEPT the POTENTIAL of it being an 'inside job' (though I didn't know the term).

It was painful for me to read about HOW the war with afghanistan was justified, and the new 'war on terror'... which me and some friends of mine likened to 'binge drinking against alcoholism'. Then again with the justification for the war with Iraq... where Bush would tug on the 9-11 chord just enough for people to make the connection that Saddam Hussein was connected to 9-11, without ever having to 'state' that connection. Once again, the people bought it.

It wasn't for a number of years later where I started to see that the spell was starting to wear off (so to speak), and became more vocal about 9-11 truth...

 

[Skateguy]

When I first notice that "Truth seekers" were being called names, and made to look Un-American, simply for asking legitimate questions, and bringing up real concerns. I knew there was more to 911, that first met the eye.---that and the first report of the Towers construction, made them out to be hollow structures. which I found out, is far from the truth.

 

[Pull My Finger]

Mike Lawyer was the FF at the 9/11 Conference in CreativeDreams thread. I thought he did a really good job, so tonight I was checking him out…

He wrote an article, it appears, when he founded the site. It fits in this thread nicely. It’s a little longish…

firefightersfor911truth.org – Mayday, Mayday, Mayday

Peace

 

[Skateguy]

Mike Lawyer was the FF at the 9/11 Conference in CreativeDreams thread. I thought he did a really good job, so tonight I was checking him out…

He wrote an article, it appears, when he founded the site. It fits in this thread nicely. It’s a little longish…

firefightersfor911truth.org – Mayday, Mayday, Mayday

Peace

Not only long, but in little bitty print to boot. :shock:

 

[Pull My Finger]

Not only long, but in little bitty print to boot. :shock:

:lol: That struck me as pretty damn funny...

I tried to copy it here... It blurred it all into one big paragraph... I sometimes copy stuff to Word, and enlarge it if it's terribly small... Just a suggestion if you haven't already...

Peace

 

[Skateguy]

:lol: That struck me as pretty damn funny...

I tried to copy it here... It blurred it all into one big paragraph... I sometimes copy stuff to Word, and enlarge it if it's terribly small... Just a suggestion if you haven't already...

Peace

My ole eyes are kinda tired tonight anyways. Been trying to bend brake lines all day. without much luck. don't seem like it would be that hard. :shock:

 

[usda select]

I once believed there may be a conspiracy but there are too many people that would have to be involved for me to believe a conspiracy with 9/11. The report satisfied all of the questions I had. You may recall it came out a few years after the 911 attaks. It makes sense.

 

[BmanMcfly]

I once believed there may be a conspiracy but there are too many people that would have to be involved for me to believe a conspiracy with 9/11. The report satisfied all of the questions I had. You may recall it came out a few years after the 911 attaks. It makes sense.

This is one of the funniest arguments... 'too many people', and the debunkers will throw in fun graphics like an odometer counting out the thousands and tens of thousands of people that had to be 'involved' in 9-11 to pull it off.

My favorite analogy is the bank teller. The bank teller talks to the people, she thinks the banks are there as a public service. That's because she is so far removed from the actual operational level of the bank that she doesn't understand the intricacies of what the managers job is... nevermind what's going on in the CEO's office in some other city, if not some other country.

Does that mean that because 'so many people' are involved in making the banks rich, that it's impossible that the bank's agenda is to suck up as much money out of society as possible??

Also, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absense... so, just because you don't have the evidence to say that there are a couple thousand americans that would be willing and capable to pull off the western portion of 9-11 IS NOT evidence to say that those people cannot exist.

If instead of discounting evidence because 'too many people'... I wonder how many other things are impossible... delivering a packages around the world MUST be impossible because it would take too many people to get every package to it's destination.

 

[usda select]

This is one of the funniest arguments... 'too many people', and the debunkers will throw in fun graphics like an odometer counting out the thousands and tens of thousands of people that had to be 'involved' in 9-11 to pull it off.

My favorite analogy is the bank teller. The bank teller talks to the people, she thinks the banks are there as a public service. That's because she is so far removed from the actual operational level of the bank that she doesn't understand the intricacies of what the managers job is... nevermind what's going on in the CEO's office in some other city, if not some other country.

Does that mean that because 'so many people' are involved in making the banks rich, that it's impossible that the bank's agenda is to suck up as much money out of society as possible??

Also, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absense... so, just because you don't have the evidence to say that there are a couple thousand americans that would be willing and capable to pull off the western portion of 9-11 IS NOT evidence to say that those people cannot exist.

If instead of discounting evidence because 'too many people'... I wonder how many other things are impossible... delivering a packages around the world MUST be impossible because it would take too many people to get every package to it's destination.

If the banks making a profit or delivering packges was an evil enterprise; you'd see a lot of people getting out of the business, blowing whistles, and at worst, blackmailing the higher ups.. There just are not that many people in the world with a bend tward being a mass murderer. I always chuckle a bit when some truthers take the position that some sort of detante was reached between all of the factions that are constantly at war that allowed 9/11 to take place.

 

[Skateguy]

the idea that it would take to many people, or that our gubment is to dumb to pull it off, is not the best argument I have heard. ---I actually feel the gubment may have known, but did not in fact, do the deed. Bush had a funny look on his face when he was first told. More like, "damn, they really did it". Not like "We really did it". when the boys in the smoke filled rooms decide to do a thing, you can bet yer butt, they can make it happen. ---We overthrow whole other Countries, with less planning. :shock:

 

[BmanMcfly]

If the banks making a profit or delivering packges was an evil enterprise; you'd see a lot of people getting out of the business, blowing whistles, and at worst, blackmailing the higher ups.. There just are not that many people in the world with a bend tward being a mass murderer.

Ahh but there's not any position in any job that is to supervise the 'higher ups'... so, who are the ones that get promoted to the upper-echelons of the companies?? They are the ones that display their cutthroat character, the ones that show their morally grey allignment, or those that have successfully blackmailed the higher ups. The good people end up filling up the bottom ranks, those with a moral 'gray' allignment will make up the middle management, and so over time this creates a thick buffer between those nefarious elements at the top and the good people getting the job done at the bottom.

I always chuckle a bit when some truthers take the position that some sort of detante was reached between all of the factions that are constantly at war that allowed 9/11 to take place.

Care to elaborate??/ How many people are you thinking that were 'necessary'??

Are you telling me that if a faction of the millitary was ordered to get the towers rigged with explosives, that they couldn't find SOME black ops merc group that would do whatever was asked if the price was right??

 

[Skateguy]

It takes a particular mind set, to have no problem screwing over your fellow Man. I could have lots of money, if I were willing to do that. But I refuse to be subverted. so I will go to my grave, with a clear conscience, and a .45 tucked in my waist band.:2wave:

 

[BmanMcfly]

It takes a particular mind set, to have no problem screwing over your fellow Man. I could have lots of money, if I were willing to do that. But I refuse to be subverted. so I will go to my grave, with a clear conscience, and a .45 tucked in my waist band.:2wave:

Yes, it does take a particular mindset....

Which is why I honestly believe that the people that perpetrated 9-11 consider themselves to be 'humanitarian'... if it costs a few thousand lives to create a world that will save society for humanity into perpetuity... then they might REALLY believe that the murder of those few thousand people is a 'worthy sacrifice for the greater good'.

 

[usda select]

Ahh but there's not any position in any job that is to supervise the 'higher ups'... so, who are the ones that get promoted to the upper-echelons of the companies?? They are the ones that display their cutthroat character, the ones that show their morally grey allignment, or those that have successfully blackmailed the higher ups. The good people end up filling up the bottom ranks, those with a moral 'gray' allignment will make up the middle management, and so over time this creates a thick buffer between those nefarious elements at the top and the good people getting the job done at the bottom.

So anybody who heads any important organization got there through means that were unsavory?

Care to elaborate??/ How many people are you thinking that were 'necessary'??

I know how many it took; 19 Middle Eastern men and some monied interests.

Depends on what conspiracy theory you want to toss out for discussion. Anything involving rogue aircraft would take hundreds. Anything involving planting of explosives would require dozens if not hundreds.

Are you telling me that if a faction of the millitary was ordered to get the towers rigged with explosives, that they couldn't find SOME black ops merc group that would do whatever was asked if the price was right??

Yes.

 

[usda select]

the idea that it would take to many people, or that our gubment is to dumb to pull it off, is not the best argument I have heard. ---I actually feel the gubment may have known, but did not in fact, do the deed. Bush had a funny look on his face when he was first told. More like, "damn, they really did it". Not like "We really did it". when the boys in the smoke filled rooms decide to do a thing, you can bet yer butt, they can make it happen. ---We overthrow whole other Countries, with less planning. :shock:

I would wager if there was a conspiracy, you're on to how it was done. No planting bombs, no voice morphing, no missiles fired at buildings etc... Just a few senior officials including Bush knew about it; likely from Tenet's office. Not the nature or the body count but knew it would be his ticket to being able to hit Saddam.

 

[BmanMcfly]

So anybody who heads any important organization got there through means that were unsavory?

It would be more accurate to say that this is true of any organization that has a 'hidden' agenda... in the case of the banks the public agenda would be essentially that they are working as 'public servants', while the hidden agenda was to soak up as much wealth as they can to impoverish their clients for their own benefit... there's a reason why the BEST interest rate you'll find (without hundreds of thousands -> millions to invest) will be around 10% with risk, or 2% risk-free... meanwhile any loan you get starts at 10%, and when you get into credit cards can go as high as 30%.

I know how many it took; 19 Middle Eastern men and some monied interests.

Let's look at those 'monied interests'... are they 'middle eastern' exclusive??? Well, no, OBL was a CIA asset back in the Afghan-Russian conflict using the pakistani ISI as a proxy. OBL's family has DIRECT ties to the Bush family through their oil interests. Daddy Bush ALSO has direct intelligence ties.... on BOTH the eastern and western fronts.

So, those 'monied interests' are 'internationalists' / globalists. They are not interested in the well being of the US anymore then the US is to play a part in the world government these globalist elites intend to create.

Depends on what conspiracy theory you want to toss out for discussion.

Ya, good answer here...

Anything involving planting of explosives would require dozens if not hundreds.

There's a range, because it depends on what types of explosives were used, where they were placed, and the timeframe to get the job done... Consider that these demolition companies are typically family owned businesses, and the companies that get government contracts typically land ALL the government contracts... so, the prospect of the company being 'blacklisted' for NOT playing ball, could be a pretty big motivator... that is if they aren't already on the 'inside' of the groups that were most likely involved.

Yes.

And it can also be reasonably assumed that in such a circumstance that these mercs would keep quiet.

 

[usda select]

It would be more accurate to say that this is true of any organization that has a 'hidden' agenda... in the case of the banks the public agenda would be essentially that they are working as 'public servants', while the hidden agenda was to soak up as much wealth as they can to impoverish their clients for their own benefit... there's a reason why the BEST interest rate you'll find (without hundreds of thousands -> millions to invest) will be around 10% with risk, or 2% risk-free... meanwhile any loan you get starts at 10%, and when you get into credit cards can go as high as 30%.

Okay...boy you are sad.

Let's look at those 'monied interests'... are they 'middle eastern' exclusive???

Yes

Well, no, OBL was a CIA asset back in the Afghan-Russian conflict

Was is right.

using the pakistani ISI as a proxy. OBL's family has DIRECT ties to the Bush family through their oil interests.
Daddy Bush ALSO has direct intelligence ties.... on BOTH the eastern and western fronts.

So do any number of people in the CIA and in government. Which is why precisely there was no conspiracy; it would have never flown in the partisan era we have now.

So, those 'monied interests' are 'internationalists' / globalists. They are not interested in the well being of the US anymore then the US is to play a part in the world government these globalist elites intend to create.

Let me know when you want to buy more tin foil for your head; I want to buy some stock in Alcoa

Ya, good answer here...


There's a range, because it depends on what types of explosives were used, where they were placed, and the timeframe to get the job done... Consider that these demolition companies are typically family owned businesses, and the companies that get government contracts typically land ALL the government contracts... so, the prospect of the company being 'blacklisted' for NOT playing ball, could be a pretty big motivator... that is if they aren't already on the 'inside' of the groups that were most likely involved.

Blacklisted. Oh brother.

And it can also be reasonably assumed that in such a circumstance that these mercs would keep quiet.

For 10 years now they've kept quite. Uh huh. Sure. You have a very vivid imagination and almost zero idea how the world works.

 

[BmanMcfly]

Okay...boy you are sad.

Actually, I'm generally quite happy.

Yes

What are you basing that on??

Was is right.

Do you have any evidence to suggest that this arrangement has somehow changed in the time between the 80's and 2000?

So do any number of people in the CIA and in government. Which is why precisely there was no conspiracy; it would have never flown in the partisan era we have now.

That would be true if we really had two DIFFERENT political parties... instead of the reality that we have a left and right wing of the big goverment party. Do you really expect that partisanship has any REAL effect on those individuals who are given orders and will follow those orders unquestioningly?

Let me know when you want to buy more tin foil for your head; I want to buy some stock in Alcoa

Let me know when you want to discuss issues rather then these half-baked ad hom arguments.... seriously... your understanding of how the world really works is ... um... lacking.

Blacklisted. Oh brother.

Come on... are you here to discuss these things or are you trying to start a pissing contest??

For 10 years now they've kept quite. Uh huh. Sure. You have a very vivid imagination and almost zero idea how the world works.

No, I've got a pretty good grasp of how the world works... where you're demonstrating that you don't even understand how compartmentalization works.

Also, there is a such thing as 'black ops' people that will take their secrets to their grave.

 

[usda select]

No, I've got a pretty good grasp of how the world works... where you're demonstrating that you don't even understand how compartmentalization works.

Also, there is a such thing as 'black ops' people that will take their secrets to their grave.

I'm always humored that some walk around believing that there is this group of men in our military that will, if ordered, do anything they are told no questions asked.

Nobody has ever met one of these people but a certain strain of the truther virus believes that there are not just a guy who is that much of a psychopath but there are legions of them.

 

[BmanMcfly]

I'm always humored that some walk around believing that there is this group of men in our military that will, if ordered, do anything they are told no questions asked.

Nobody has ever met one of these people but a certain strain of the truther virus believes that there are not just a guy who is that much of a psychopath but there are legions of them.

Have you ever talked to any ex-marines?? If so, were you able to get them to talk about anything mission specific that they've done???

It's not even about them being 'psychopaths'... hell, it may not necessarily have been american soldiers that would have rigged the buildings.

Ever heard of machiavelli?? I'll bet not... the moral of the book is that sometimes evil deeds must be done for the greater good. "would you kill a child to save 1000 children?" Most would say no, some would say yes... the ones that do would be recruited to a different program then the ones that said no... SO, when it comes to "would you kill 3000 americans to save the world?" Those people would go on to say, "Sir, Yes, Sir."

Or, if the 'nano-aluminum sol-gel incendiaries' were used, the people actually spraying the stuff, may have legitimately thought that they were installing fireproofing when they were actually rigging the explosives.

Then there's the potential of 'mk-ultra' type program being in play... if that was the case, the people actually doing the rigging of the building wouldn't even remember that they had been inside the buildings.

 

[usda select]

Have you ever talked to any ex-marines?? If so, were you able to get them to talk about anything mission specific that they've done???

Yes. I have a family full of them. Were the marines that you think rigged the buildings also the same guys whose fellow military brethern were attacked in the Pentagon? Or is there a different type of marine you are talking about? So...let me get this straight...Marines rig the building because they are told to do so and in the same plot, they attack the National Military HQ? :rofl

It's not even about them being 'psychopaths'... hell, it may not necessarily have been american soldiers that would have rigged the buildings.

So now, in your mind, we were invaded? :rofl

Ever heard of machiavelli?? I'll bet not... the moral of the book is that sometimes evil deeds must be done for the greater good. "would you kill a child to save 1000 children?" Most would say no, some would say yes... the ones that do would be recruited to a different program then the ones that said no... SO, when it comes to "would you kill 3000 americans to save the world?" Those people would go on to say, "Sir, Yes, Sir."

Show me where the world was emminently endangered on 9/10/01 and I'll agree with you. :rofl

Or, if the 'nano-aluminum sol-gel incendiaries' were used, the people actually spraying the stuff, may have legitimately thought that they were installing fireproofing when they were actually rigging the explosives.

Strange how none of that is on any of the steel they have over in the landfill now? I guess it burned off without exploding? :rofl

Then there's the potential of 'mk-ultra' type program being in play... if that was the case, the people actually doing the rigging of the building wouldn't even remember that they had been inside the buildings.

:roll:

Call me when you wake up, you're dreaming.

 

[BmanMcfly]

Before I start, I bet you deliberately misinterpreted what I said...

Yes. I have a family full of them. Were the marines that you think rigged the buildings also the same guys whose fellow military brethern were attacked in the Pentagon?

You do know that the area of the pentagon that was hit was damn near empty, right?

Or is there a different type of marine you are talking about? So...let me get this straight...Marines rig the building because they are told to do so and in the same plot, they attack the National Military HQ? :rofl

Of course you'd roll on the floor laughing when you completely misstated what I've said... That's SO FAR REMOVED from what I said that I can't even really respond to this...

So now, in your mind, we were invaded? :rofl

ROFL... I know you're not this retarded to think that's what I said.

If there's nobody that can be brought in that would engage in a false flag attack, then bringing in friendly foreign troops that don't have the ties to this country to do the job is NOT an invasion.

Show me where the world was emminently endangered on 9/10/01 and I'll agree with you. :rofl

Come on... did you drop a chromosome before responding?

The world wasn't on the verge of ending if not for 9-11... but it was a necessary step in the creation of the one world government that's in the works. Which is, from the perspective of those involved in its creation as a means of saving humanity from all the ills we see presently (overpopulation, overpollution, over-consumption, gangs, drug abuse, etc). So, the deaths of a few thousand to provide the catalyst for a world government that would be the savior of humanity is alot closer to what I'm talking about... to save a 5-10 page dissertation on all the intricacies.

Strange how none of that is on any of the steel they have over in the landfill now? I guess it burned off without exploding? :rofl

Do you also have a family full of cousin lovers??

1 - The steel was NOT brought to a landfill.
2 - ONLY A SMALL percentage of the steel was actually preserved for testing purposes.
3 - They never actually tested for explosives (or any type of incendiary)... the logic of NIST was 'no det cord no demolition' (or with WTC 7, because no explosives blew up the hole in the building there was no possible explosives in the building at all)
4 - For an ex-marine you sure know the difference between an incendiary and an explosive

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Call me when you wake up, you're dreaming.

MK-Ultra was a real project, and I've read through the declassified documentation on the subject, but you're clearly still living in a world where 'if it ain't on the teevee it ain't reel'.

I'm sure I'll get a warning for this post, but wow... I've seen alot of ignorance before and twisting of words, and if I didn't see that you were addressing what I said, I'd have thought you were responding to something else.

Go roll another one.

 

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Before I start, I bet you deliberately misinterpreted what I said...

By quoting you?

You do know that the area of the pentagon that was hit was damn near empty, right?:rofl

The families of the 140 or so would say it wasn't empty enough.

If there's nobody that can be brought in that would engage in a false flag attack, then bringing in friendly foreign troops that don't have the ties to this country to do the job is NOT an invasion.

:rofl X 2

Come on... did you drop a chromosome before responding?

No but I found one of yours on the floor.

The world wasn't on the verge of ending if not for 9-11... but it was a necessary step in the creation of the one world government that's in the works. Which is, from the perspective of those involved in its creation as a means of saving humanity from all the ills we see presently (overpopulation, overpollution, over-consumption, gangs, drug abuse, etc). So, the deaths of a few thousand to provide the catalyst for a world government that would be the savior of humanity is alot closer to what I'm talking about... to save a 5-10 page dissertation on all the intricacies.

Ahh...so where is this world government you promised. I'm guessing the elections in Afghanastan and Iraq to elect governments are just "part of the scheme"?

Do you also have a family full of cousin lovers??

Spoken like someone who does.

1 - The steel was NOT brought to a landfill.
2 - ONLY A SMALL percentage of the steel was actually preserved for testing purposes.
3 - They never actually tested for explosives (or any type of incendiary)... the logic of NIST was 'no det cord no demolition' (or with WTC 7, because no explosives blew up the hole in the building there was no possible explosives in the building at all)
4 - For an ex-marine you sure know the difference between an incendiary and an explosive

Steel was brought to the Fresh Kills landfill. No signs of thermite or explosives were found on any of it. No explosive was found there yesterday, no explosive will be found there today, no explosive would be found there tomorrow. No explosives were found at ground zero. Some body found some dust and eight years after the fact it was supposedly tested.

MK-Ultra was a real project, and I've read through the declassified documentation on the subject, but you're clearly still living in a world where 'if it ain't on the teevee it ain't reel'.

I'm sure I'll get a warning for this post, but wow... I've seen alot of ignorance before and twisting of words, and if I didn't see that you were addressing what I said, I'd have thought you were responding to something else.

Go roll another one.

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