9/11 Conspiracy Group Could Force Its Way Onto Ballot

[Fledermaus]

This "initiative" has nothing to do with the truth it has one and only one aim to promote sales of books and videos made by truthers so they can make more cash.

The fraud that keeps on frauding....

And, of course, the Citizens’ 9/11 Commission efforts to raise money to get a new investigation on to the ballot in several states turned into a debacle after former Senator Mike Gravel departed with most of the money, which he then donated to an organization that he founded and that doesn’t deal with 9/11 (This plan had serious problems before Gravel put the final touches on things).

 

[mike2810]

The petition is a fraud. It hs nothing to do with safey. It is about investigating WTC7. It is interesting that one must hide the effort under the pretense of Safety to get enough signatures.

- What SAFETY measures will come out of a new investigation that will stop a "planned" controlled demolition of a high rise.?

if engineers and safety experts need another investigation to help them out in that area, they should find a new career.:mrgreen:


If it makes it to a vote, then NYC voters will have to live with the outcome of the vote and the extra tax.

What will be interesting is to see who makes up the investigation team.

 

[OldWorldOrder]

This is probably a waste of time, it usually is when I respond to your nonsense (as is the case here as well) but WTF are you talking about?

I'm talking about how you don't seem to know anything about it.

 

[Mark F]

The petition is a fraud. It hs nothing to do with safey. It is about investigating WTC7. It is interesting that one must hide the effort under the pretense of Safety to get enough signatures.

- What SAFETY measures will come out of a new investigation that will stop a "planned" controlled demolition of a high rise.?

if engineers and safety experts need another investigation to help them out in that area, they should find a new career.:mrgreen:


If it makes it to a vote, then NYC voters will have to live with the outcome of the vote and the extra tax.

What will be interesting is to see who makes up the investigation team.

:yt ..

 

[Bob0627]

I'm talking about how you don't seem to know anything about it.

Ok thanks for validating my point that it was a waste of time responding just as I suspected.

 

[OldWorldOrder]

It's just weird! You clearly don't know anything, you couldn't have done much research.

 

[Mark F]

It's just weird! You clearly don't know anything, you couldn't have done much research.

It is weird. Bob is apparently very sensitive over issues of fraud and misleading people yet he supports an initiative which is itself fraudulent and being sold to the public under false pretenses.

 

[mike2810]

Only 27,982 signatures qualifying signatures.
+37,688 are invalid., main reason, they were not registered voters.

Petition Financing plan does not meet standards.
Petition is misleading
impermisible advisory petition.
and basically it does not comply with the law.

http://highrisesafetynyc.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/HRSI-City-Clerk-Certificate.pdf

Bid to put 9/11 probe on ballot lacks sufficient signatures | New York Post


You would think after a first failed attempt that the group would have gotten its act togeather and make sure the petition, signatures, etc would be valid.

Hopefully, the courts will see the foolishness and fraud behind the petition in hinding behind "Safety" for an attempt to do another investigation of WTC7.

If the petition dies, bet more conspiracy theories will fly.

 

[Mark F]

If the petition dies, bet more conspiracy theories will fly.

With this latest setback the petition likely will die. Look at how long it took them in a metropolitan area of 20 million just to get the signatures they did. Now nearly 38,000 of those signatures have been thrown out. It will be tough to recover before the deadline. Even if they did, the legal challenges are likely to kill it anyway.

But either way the Truthers still win. The failure of the ballot initiative will be treated as proof of the coverup.

 

[OldWorldOrder]

Conspiracy theorists always win. Progress is progress, lack of progress is proof of someone trying to muffle the truth.

 

[Bob0627]

Only 27,982 signatures qualifying signatures.
+37,688 are invalid., main reason, they were not registered voters.

Petition Financing plan does not meet standards.
Petition is misleading
impermisible advisory petition.
and basically it does not comply with the law.

http://highrisesafetynyc.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/HRSI-City-Clerk-Certificate.pdf

Bid to put 9/11 probe on ballot lacks sufficient signatures | New York Post


You would think after a first failed attempt that the group would have gotten its act togeather and make sure the petition, signatures, etc would be valid.

Hopefully, the courts will see the foolishness and fraud behind the petition in hinding behind "Safety" for an attempt to do another investigation of WTC7.

If the petition dies, bet more conspiracy theories will fly.

I understand you're hoping and praying this fails but it's not going away that easily. And even if it does fail, of which the odds are pretty good it will because government, just like you, is terrified that the truth will one day come out, 9/11 will never go away. As you can see, it failed with the NYCCAN initiative but that didn't stop anyone from trying again.

http://highrisesafetynyc.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/HRSI-Order-to-Show-Cause.pdf

 

[mike2810]

I understand you're hoping and praying this fails but it's not going away that easily. And even if it does fail, of which the odds are pretty good it will because government, just like you, is terrified that the truth will one day come out, 9/11 will never go away. As you can see, it failed with the NYCCAN initiative but that didn't stop anyone from trying again.

http://highrisesafetynyc.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/HRSI-Order-to-Show-Cause.pdf

and you still do not understand me or what I post. If any one is "terrified" it is you. So many years of buying into the CT spinmasters and not beling able to understand the facts. (yes, I just broke my trend of not making posts personal).

Mearly updating the OP, pointing out how poorly the ballot measure was written and that people like you seem to support deceptive measures.

So the people you support will continue to waiste taxpayer workers time, keep selling the CT to get money about 911 until the money dries up.
Then its off to a new CT.

 

[Fledermaus]

Only 27,982 signatures qualifying signatures.
+37,688 are invalid., main reason, they were not registered voters.

Petition Financing plan does not meet standards.
Petition is misleading
impermisible advisory petition.
and basically it does not comply with the law.

http://highrisesafetynyc.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/HRSI-City-Clerk-Certificate.pdf

Bid to put 9/11 probe on ballot lacks sufficient signatures | New York Post


You would think after a first failed attempt that the group would have gotten its act togeather and make sure the petition, signatures, etc would be valid.

Hopefully, the courts will see the foolishness and fraud behind the petition in hinding behind "Safety" for an attempt to do another investigation of WTC7.

If the petition dies, bet more conspiracy theories will fly.

I predict if that if this "initiative" (AKA Lie) does not pass through the incompetence of the signature gatherers some idiot will blame da Gummint.....

To think... Registered voters required. Tens of thousands of signatures thrown out because they are not registered voters.

Seems to point to a problem with folks... If you are not bright enough to know where you are registered you are more likely to sign something as fatally flawed as this.

 

[Thoreau72]

I understand you're hoping and praying this fails but it's not going away that easily. And even if it does fail, of which the odds are pretty good it will because government, just like you, is terrified that the truth will one day come out, 9/11 will never go away. As you can see, it failed with the NYCCAN initiative but that didn't stop anyone from trying again.

http://highrisesafetynyc.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/HRSI-Order-to-Show-Cause.pdf

As I've been saying for years, the bad guys have won. They control the government, all branches.

Most people understand this, and that's why public opinion of government is so low.

And so it is, near the end of the American era. eace

 

[Fledermaus]

As I've been saying for years, the bad guys have won. They control the government, all branches.

Most people understand this, and that's why public opinion of government is so low.

And so it is, near the end of the American era. eace

Only in your imagination

 

[Thoreau72]

No, in reality.

The initiative will be rejected by the government, just as DeBlasio has already indicated, months ago.

There is a reason public opinion holds the government in contempt, and public knowledge of the falsehoods of the 911 official story is a large part of it.

 

[Mark F]

My point is proven

 

[Fledermaus]

No, in reality.

The initiative will be rejected by the government, just as DeBlasio has already indicated, months ago.

There is a reason public opinion holds the government in contempt, and public knowledge of the falsehoods of the 911 official story is a large part of it.

Your idiots couldn't get enough signatures. And they were too stupid to check if the signatures were for REGISTERED VOTERS.

 

[Thoreau72]

Whatever excuse you wish to embrace Maus, is fine by me.

History has been written falsely regarding the events of 11 September. Fools don't know that, but some of the more perceptive amongst us are quite aware of it.

The government and media have successfully covered up the truth, and many people are quite aware of that.

 

[Quag]

This effort is being spearheaded by the families and loved ones of 9/11 victims. So you're saying they're doing it for money?

See maus's response

 

[Quag]

Only 27,982 signatures qualifying signatures.
+37,688 are invalid., main reason, they were not registered voters.

Petition Financing plan does not meet standards.
Petition is misleading
impermisible advisory petition.
and basically it does not comply with the law.

http://highrisesafetynyc.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/HRSI-City-Clerk-Certificate.pdf

Bid to put 9/11 probe on ballot lacks sufficient signatures | New York Post


You would think after a first failed attempt that the group would have gotten its act togeather and make sure the petition, signatures, etc would be valid.

Hopefully, the courts will see the foolishness and fraud behind the petition in hinding behind "Safety" for an attempt to do another investigation of WTC7.

If the petition dies, bet more conspiracy theories will fly.

Actually I think failing to get it on is a bigger win for them. They get publicity in not getting on the ballot, publicity is good a the main aim is to sell more books and videos.
If they get on the ballot 2 things can happen
1. They get a small blip from the extra publicity then they lose and game over that ploy is done.
2. They get a small bit of publicity and win, giving them a bit more publicity. Then they have an investigation which wont show CD because it didn't happen and game over.

When the real goal is to milk this for as long as possible getting this on the ballot would be a net fail as it will put a time limit on how long they can continue bilk people.

 

[Mark F]

Actually I think failing to get it on is a bigger win for them. They get publicity in not getting on the ballot, publicity is good a the main aim is to sell more books and videos.
If they get on the ballot 2 things can happen
1. They get a small blip from the extra publicity then they lose and game over that ploy is done.
2. They get a small bit of publicity and win, giving them a bit more publicity. Then they have an investigation which wont show CD because it didn't happen and game over.

When the real goal is to milk this for as long as possible getting this on the ballot would be a net fail as it will put a time limit on how long they can continue bilk people.

Exactly. A new investigation is the last thing any of them actually want. If it happens its game over and the end of the fundraising, adoring crowds (well small groups of like-minded adoring zealots anyway) and all-expense paid travel to exotic locations - at least until the new investigation reaches the same conclusions as the old ones, then its back to the its a cover-up routine.

But the donors may not hang around that long,...

 

[Bob0627]

and you still do not understand me or what I post.

Wrong, I completely understand. The fact that you're here 24/7 defending the official fairy tale validates my point to a tee.

If any one is "terrified" it is you. So many years of buying into the CT spinmasters and not beling able to understand the facts. (yes, I just broke my trend of not making posts personal).

Mearly updating the OP, pointing out how poorly the ballot measure was written and that people like you seem to support deceptive measures.

So the people you support will continue to waiste taxpayer workers time, keep selling the CT to get money about 911 until the money dries up.
Then its off to a new CT.

Such ridiculous nonsense, who buys this insanity (besides the "we" gang of fakers in this forum of course)?

 

[ozeco41]

Actually I think failing to get it on is a bigger win for them.

Exactly. A new investigation is the last thing any of them actually want. If it happens its game over and the end of the fundraising, adoring crowds (well small groups of like-minded adoring zealots anyway) and all-expense paid travel to exotic locations - at least until the new investigation reaches the same conclusions as the old ones, then its back to the its a cover-up routine.

But the donors may not hang around that long,...

It is a long slow steady decline. Even on these forums we are what? -- two years? -- More? - past serious discussion of technical issues which are not understood. And truthers who lack the intellectual skills to address the simple technical facts will never progress the socio-political issues.

The strategies of Gage/AE911 et simile have been clear for several years - milk the gullibles OR get out of the game.

Most have got out. AE911 and its linked ancillaries the only one still sort of pretending to be prominent.

 

[ozeco41]

...Such ridiculous nonsense[SUP]1[/SUP], who buys this insanity[SUP]2[/SUP] (besides the "we[SUP]3[/SUP]" gang of fakers[SUP]4[/SUP] in this forum of course)?

Masterful ambiguity there Bob. HD will be proud of you.

You are right about the four points you make.