70% of Tea Partiers Don't Want to Cut Medicare Either

[Catawba]

so because the Ryan budget includes roughly the same cuts that the Obama budget does, it doesn't really cut anything? :roll: because the Obama budget includes the same cuts as the Obama budget, obviuosly it doesn't cut anything either.

Glad you finanlly noticed that both parties budget proposals fail in the area of military spending cuts.

actually the expedited process is already in the law. all the budget bill does is point this out and ask the President to bring Congressional leaders together to solve SS.

Who to belive about that, a Cato fellow, or your unsubstantiated opinion.......................

SS doesn need to be "solved", it just needs to be repaid.

it already is a budget item. the "trust fund" is a ridiculous hoax, a joke so paper thin you can see right through it.

Thanks for your opinion!

yup. so does Obama's plan. the difference is that Ryan's plan means-tests them

Thanks again for your opinion!

still waiting for you to address this. in particular i want to see why you think we want to be stripping seniors of their freedom to choose what healthcare is beset for them and imposing one-size-fits-all solutions on them via an unnaccountable board of bureacrats.

People have chosen Medicare for the last 8 decades. Why do you think no politician including the present crop, has ever campaigned on replacing the federal Medicare program with a voucher program that will cost seniors $6,000 a year more in out of pocket costs. If they had, they would not have been elected.

 

[cpwill]

Glad you finanlly noticed that both parties budget proposals fail in the area of military spending cuts

on the contrary, i would worry that both are cutting too deep.

Who to belive about that, a Cato fellow, or your unsubstantiated opinion.......................

hey, if you want to put out some sourcing i'd be interested in seeing it. but as i understand it, the 75-year rule was already in place, and the 2012 budget just triggers it.

SS doesn need to be "solved", it just needs to be repaid.

which is unfortunately impossible. we here in the real world have to come up with plausible solutions.

Thanks for your opinion!

you're welcome but that's not actually an opinion. the trust fund is a joke.

Thanks again for your opinion!

again you're welcome, but again it's not an opinion. Obama's plan does include cutting Medicare benefits, and the Ryan plan does means-test them.

People have chosen Medicare for the last 8 decades. Why do you think no politician including the present crop, has ever campaigned on replacing the federal Medicare program with a voucher program that will cost seniors $6,000 a year more in out of pock[et costs. If they had, they would not have been elected.

i'm still waiting to hear your explanation of why having the IPAB enforce one-size-fits-all rationing decisions is a superior choice to having the seniors themselves making that decision.

 

[BWG]

see, but that's the trick, isn't it. no mention of whether they prefer government to ration or let seniors make those decisions. so they are polling Ryan's plan against a mythical notion that we can continue on our current path - even though that is no ones plan.

No, the Kaiser poll asked if you preferred "government providing health insurance and guaranteeing the same set of benefits to everyone enrolled in the program OR Medicare should be changed to a system in which people choose their insurance from a list of private health plans that may offer different benefits at different premium amounts, and the government pays a fixed amount towards that cost."

Pretty straightforward with out any of your spin.

and folks recognize it, which is why you see such a wide shift between those two questions. folks don't want to have to cut medicare, but if they do, those 30 and above prefer Ryan's plan over the Presidents, and those under 30 prefer the Presidents.

And here you are putting YOUR spin on it.

One question was a generic overall Republican plan vs. Democratic plan. You tried to spin it that senors liked the Republican plan despite the cuts to Medicare when they did no such thing. They polled for or against a whole broad plan.

Now when Kaiser polled for a specific question about medicare, seniors favored the current medicare vs. the voucher system by more than double.

 

[cpwill]

No, the Kaiser poll asked if you preferred "government providing health insurance and guaranteeing the same set of benefits to everyone enrolled in the program OR Medicare should be changed to a system in which people choose their insurance from a list of private health plans that may offer different benefits at different premium amounts, and the government pays a fixed amount towards that cost."

Pretty straightforward with out any of your spin.

....we are saying the same thing. the poll puts the Ryan plan up against a mythical world in which we need not reduce medicare at all.

One question was a generic overall Republican plan vs. Democratic plan.

no, the democrat plan is to ration care and lower reimbursement rates to doctors and hospitals. I didnt' see any of that in the question whatsoever.

Now when Kaiser polled for a specific question about medicare, seniors favored the current medicare vs. the voucher system by more than double.

yes, that's my point. the current medicare isn't an option in this election cycle. both parties intend to cut it.

 

[Penrod]

As a person who used to do polling for a living I can tell you that it all depends on the wording of the poll and the answer the pollsters want to get. I dont put much stock in them for this rason

 

[lpast]

As a person who used to do polling for a living I can tell you that it all depends on the wording of the poll and the answer the pollsters want to get. I dont put much stock in them for this rason

I agree...but there are some polls historically more accurate than others...Gallup and Rasmussen are fairly accurate, they cant afford to skew the questions to get a desired result and be WRONG most of the time...they make their living as pollsters. Accuracy is their claim to fame.

Hindsight is 20/20 and this poll has been proven to be correct because the GOP has realized how unpopular it is and have backed off the destruction of medicare.
Trust there will be other parts of Ryans plan going down the toilet also