Fine, so public good isn't the right term. You still haven't addressed the point you know I was trying to make.
(I just noticed that when it is pointed out I used the wrong term, I accept it. When I point out conservatives are using "socialism" wrong they start equivocating or change the subject)
Here's a question:
Why shouldn't healthcare be considered an essential public service like police and fire protection?
It looks like my link above is out of date. Here are some new stats, presenting a good news/bad news scenario. The good news is that infant mortality is on the decline world wide. The bad news is that our most expensive health care system in the world has fallen further behind.
Child mortality rates dropping, study finds, but U.S. lags
If outspending the rest of the world while lagging behind the UAR, Cuba, and Chile is where we want to be, then we're in a good place.
Ahh, the lame defense of the left.
When stuck with reality poking them in the eye, throw a shovel of feces.
Disney, I used to be like you.
I was an unapologetic socialist.
180 degrees to where I am now.
I grew up. Traveled a ton, saw much of the socialist world, and with time came to the conclusion I was wrong on issue after issue. Though I fell into the socialist camp on issue after issue, I wasn't tied to the ideology, wasn't closed minded, it did not blind me. The last belief in socialism to fall was healthcare, and that was about 20-years ago.
It helps to have a voracious appetite for the truth.
And you? What's your excuse?
This is a good start to understand how feeble socialist states are when compared to US States.
The very best Euros are among the five worst US states. Enjoy.
http://www.timbro.se/bokhandel/pdf/9175665646.pdf
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You must have been born, gone through puberty and into adulthood all in 1980. How did you do that?Funny....I had exactly the opposite transformation. I bought into the whole Reagan idealogy and itwasn't until I got out in the real world and saw the after effects of Reaganomics that I shifted 180 degrees.
The rich get richer in a tight society. In a regulated society. It is why upper mobility in Europe is tough, tough, tough. The Timbro study by Swedes (you trust Swedes don't you?) illustrates the low quality of life Europeans have, and the difficulty their bureaucracies breed.I saw that allowing capitalism to run amuk only resulted in the destruction of the middle class. The corporate elite now control over 93% of the resources/wealth of this country. THAT is outrageous.
Pure Unadulterated Bulloney.They control the message that is sent out which allows them to convince people that it is OK to allow Corporate CEO's to line their pockets while keeping the working class hungry.
Sorry... but this is out and out laughable, borderline hysterically funny.They bombard the airwave with propoganda to convince people that basic healthcare should be a luxury in a country that can afford to provide it for all.
Of course, the corporate elite might have to take a few million from the billions that they have benefitted from while giving back very little.
LOL... do you write for Obama?Yes..Zim....the people that you listen to are the very people who perpetuate this propoganda. Maybe if you stopped listening to them, it might change your perspective.
yep..it's very unfortunate that people refuse to educate themselves about this bill, instead believing whatever talk radio feeds them.
63% of people listen to talk radio?
63% of people listen to talk radio?
Is it not amazing, even incredible to find we have these Liberals who claim to be open minded, tolerant, and compassionate (some in national leadership positions even claim to be "Uniters) tell others to stop listening to talk radio. Stop watching FOXNEWS.
So open minded.
I fear for the children these folks may have.
Their minds will be so narrow you won't be able to tell they have a head if you look at them straight on.
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I addressed it by noting that you're not looking at it right. Keeping something private should be the default position, and one would need a very good economic reason why socialization would work better if one wanted something private to be government-run. It's not the other way around, where you have to have a very good reason to keep something private and public is the default, since then almost everything would be public.
When?Right, which is exactly what I've done on this board over and over. Shown that health care has a good reason to be socialized.
Well of course they want it repealed. I want it repealed too. It isn't real reform.
Right, which is exactly what I've done on this board over and over. Shown that health care has a good reason to be socialized.
Of course, when you actually explain what's in the bill to people the approval jumps to a majority but we don't really need to pay attention to that do we?
I imagine a lot of people would approve of John McCain's "Internet Freedom Act" without being told what it does.
(it would be better titled internet censorship act)
link?
LOL!
Is there a link to back up any president's crack use, or is that just another pile of partisan crap?
Years later in his 1995 memoir, he mentioned smoking “reefer” in “the dorm room of some brother” and talked about “getting high.” Before Occidental, he indulged in marijuana, alcohol and sometimes cocaine as a high school student in Hawaii, according to the book.
WASHINGTON - The Obama administration joined a federal judge Wednesday in urging Congress to end a racial disparity by equalizing prison sentences for dealing and using crack versus powdered cocaine.
So we lag a few dinky little countries on a few social issues, big deal.
It's a wonder we don't have a mass exodus of citizens who want to live in the UAR, Cuba, Chile....:2razz:
It will matter in November, Rasmussen polls likely voters. We have to see how it shakes out.Like this poll matters.
I'm an insurance agent and the major provisions of this bill absolutely suck. I've been over the worst of what I have personally seen and advise people to vote for repeal candidates NOW.A. I guarentee you 99% of the people in this poll read the bill for themselves and didn't rely on Rush Limbaugh or Chris Matthews to tell them what it does.
You're right, sort of. People's attitudes will change from replacing sitting legislators to incarcerate and execute all who voted for the bill when the major provisions kick in. People are looking at anywhere from 35-55% premium increases, and that's a minimum estimate.B. Most people haven't felt the affects of this bill so their view will likely change.
I'm wondering how many of these folks who voted him in really regret their decision. I've been gone awhile and my curiousity is genuine.
It will matter in November, Rasmussen polls likely voters. We have to see how it shakes out.
Gotcha. That makes sense.I agree, I'm just saying it doesn't matter now, but yes it will matter during general elections.
Link?......
What we see is that most individual components of the bill are popular -- in some cases, quite popular. But awareness lags behind. Only 61 percent are aware that the bill bans denials of coverage for pre-existing conditions. Only 42 percent know that it bans lifetime coverage limits. Only 58 percent are aware that it set up insurance exchanges. Just 44 percent know that it closes the Medicare donut hole -- and so on and so forth.
FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: Health Care Polls: Opinion Gap or Information Gap?
Unless you meant the McCain thing.
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