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But if as you admit, voters are ignorant, then democracy in any form is a stupid idea.
Whether you like it or not, the fact that a majority opposes the bill will have future consequences. So ignoring it because you think people are stupid doesn't make much sense.
None of which changes the fact that you were wrong to compare it to auto insurance, which was my point.
did you even read that post you quoted?
Tell me navy, why should i be forced to pay for the costs of others who refuse to cover those costs they incur?
Hey Chief, did you tell me a short while back that military retiree's had "Tricare?" Did that take the place of Champus? Is Tricare available to the public on the open market?
How does it work these days? Can you pick your own insurance provider and doctors, and whatnot, and the government participates in all or part of the tab?
Or is Tricare a government (read:socialist) ran insurance? What's Tricare all about? What are the insurance options of a retiree?
If I'm being too nosey, I apologize.
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In case he doesn't answer....
I have tricare prime, costs an extra $500 per year or so for me and the wife.
Under 65, we go to Luke AFB for routine stuff, and they refer us if a specialist is needed. They are very willing to use civilian specialists, as opposed to HMO type companies who try their best to keep you away from specialists..
Regular Tricare is free for military retirees.
Veterans Administration medical is for non-retirees, but retirees can use VA hospitals. There are copays involved in VA and Tricare, but they are low.
Next year, I turn 65, and will have Medicare, with Tricare for Life covering Part B.
Military Retirees don't need part C or whatever to cover drug costs, as most drugs are free from the military hospitals, or you can pay a very few bucks to have them mailed to your house if you have a long term need for medications. My wife gets her cholesterol meds mailed to her, 90 day supply at a time, for $3.
My PD med, Azilect, is much more expensive in the civiliam market (one pill a day, at $7 per pill), but I pay $9 for a 3 month supply.
Retirees get good care, at very minimal costs.
How did you reach that conclusion? Voters are ignorant about this subject. That does not logically conclude voters are ignorant entirely on all subjects everywhere. You jumped the gun on that one without any logical path to follow.
Sure it will. But we also must realize that a poll where the majority are against something they don't understand is not exactly a good reference as to whether the bill is bad or good.
I made the reference to thermal depolymerization because it shows people discuss things they have no understanding of. Navy cannot point out the difference between the bill and a milk cow. Does that mean the bill should be repealed?
Come again? How so?
How is this issue different from every other? Don't just say "it's complex," because most issues are complex.
Did anyone say that it is?
And is thermal depolymerization a huge political issue that will affect many people's lives? Is it subject to the democratic process? If so, then public opinion of it would matter.
Because nobody is forced to buy a car. Remember when I said that?
Tell me, does the perception of the president's behavior on the economy exceed several thousand pages? :2wave:
Asking voters if they think the country is on the right path is not the same as asking them if a 1,000+ page bill should be repealed.
No, but that's still my point.
If it takes off, it could very well solve our liquid fuel, food waste, radioactive waste and chemical/biological weapon storage issues all in one. I take it you've never heard of it eh?
Except that you ignore my response to that.
You're right, asking if they think the country is on the right path is a meaningless question, whereas asking them if they think a bill that their elected representatives have passed and that will hugely impact their personal lives should be repealed is clear-cut and an extremely important statistic.
Then your point is a worthless straw man.
Then if it takes off, people's opinions of it will matter. And if it takes off, they will form opinions of it.
Except you ignore the fact that your response to that is irrelevant. You can defend mandated health insurance all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that when it was pointed out to you that nobody had ever been forced to buy something before, you used car insurance to refute that point. I only pointed out that your rebuttal doesn't work, and you haven't argued against that.
Sometimes I wonder if you post high.
Sometimes I wonder if you post high. Asking people about a subject matter in which they do not have a proper understanding of is kind silly from the perspective if the subject is to be removed.
Only to you.
So opinions that hold no facts are to be used in repealing or legislating bills?
Fine, no one had to be forced to buy something before.
Hey Chief, did you tell me a short while back that military retiree's had "Tricare?" Did that take the place of Champus? Is Tricare available to the public on the open market?
How does it work these days? Can you pick your own insurance provider and doctors, and whatnot, and the government participates in all or part of the tab?
Or is Tricare a government (read:socialist) ran insurance? What's Tricare all about? What are the insurance options of a retiree?
If I'm being too nosey, I apologize.
Tricare is the military's health insurance; and they have a couple of different policy options. there is a retirement option, Tricare for Life or something like that; but as Tricares' reimbursement rates are sub-par, you are basically accepting slightly-worse-than-medicare-reimbursement for life; which means it's going to be tough to find providers.
Let's call it socialism for those who have EARNED it....:lol:All due respect Utah, because our military retiree's deserve the best we have to offer, but isn't that, pretty much, by definition, a brand of the "socialist" insurance my esteemed collegue rails against? Is he saying to me that he enjoys, or despises, his own "socialist" health care?
The message seems rather mixed to me. Please clarify.
Tricare is the military's health insurance; and they have a couple of different policy options. there is a retirement option, Tricare for Life or something like that; but as Tricares' reimbursement rates are sub-par, you are basically accepting slightly-worse-than-medicare-reimbursement for life; which means it's going to be tough to find providers.
Wouldn't it be great if Joe the Plumber could be guaranteed quality health care, for life
Romney is a RINO...He will be whatever you want him to be to get elected......
Real Conservatives are against anything you can't pay for.........
Did you even read that post you quoted?
Tell me navy, why should I be FORCED to pay for the costs of others who refuse to cover those costs they incur?
If by RINO you mean reasonable Republican....I agree. Romney is one of the few Republican candidates that I would consider voting for. In fact, he may be the only one.
You shouldn't.......
The people that refuse to buy health insurance better have the money to pay for it if they need it but it is unconstitutional to force them to pay for it and fine them if they don't.........
This is the USA not the USSR.
I see even civillian retirees takin' it hard with their insurance burdens. Wouldn't it be great if Joe the Plumber could be guaranteed quality health care, for life, after working hard and honest his whole working life, like our vets and retirees deserve after putting in, say, only 20 years or so? But Joe only worked at Acme Plbg. for 10 years before they went under. Then he worked for Crown Plumbers, for 5 before the franchise went kaput. He's been doing well on his own for 10 years, but after showing up at work everyday at 6:00 am, for 25 years, he ain't got ****. In fact, he's probably worried if they will even insure him at all since his blood pressure went up.
I wonder what the premiums on a similar Tricare plan would cost the civillian public?
Sounds smart to me that the govt., if they REALLY wanted to change health care, would set up it's own insurance styled entity and offer quality health care, and do it not for profit but also not for loss.
You sure about that?
We're now a nation that coerces citizens to purchase a private good/service as a condition of citizenship.
Via the threat of fines, citizens are compelled to work to support the behavior and activities of others...this Obamacare is a logical extension of that.
How is that responsibility working out for the residents of Massachusetts?
You sure about that?
We're now a nation that coerces citizens to purchase a private good/service as a condition of citizenship.
Via the threat of fines, citizens are compelled to work to support the behavior and activities of others...this Obamacare is a logical extension of that.
By the way, welcome to DP....We can always use another Conservative voice to fight far out left wing liberalism........:cheers:
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