50 Defining Trump Moments: SAVE THIS

haymarket · Jan 14, 2019

This is something you will want to bookmark or copy or even go back in time and hit the bookstore and buy a copy of. Jeffrey Goldberg in The Atlantic Magazine has a wonderful compilation of 50 moments that define the Trump presidency. Any one of them would have been a big deal and many even rise to the level of a full blown scandal in other administrations but with Trump its just daily news that is forgotten when the next fiasco comes along days later.

https://www.theatlantic.com/unthinkable/

When you have all these together in front of you and one can see the collective negative impact on our nation and its institutions, you can really appreciate how Trump has corrupted and polluted our very body politic.

here is the intro

Jeffrey Goldberg
Editor in chief of The Atlantic
In an October 2016 editorial, The Atlantic wrote of Donald Trump: “He is a demagogue, a xenophobe, a sexist, a know-nothing, and a liar.” We argued that Trump “expresses admiration for authoritarian rulers, and evinces authoritarian tendencies himself.” Trump, we also noted, “is easily goaded, a poor quality for someone seeking control of America’s nuclear arsenal. He is an enemy of fact-based discourse; he is ignorant of, and indifferent to, the Constitution; he appears not to read.”

In retrospect, we may be guilty of understatement.

There was a hope, in the bewildering days following the 2016 election, that the office would temper the man—that Trump, in short, would change.

He has not changed.

This week marks the midway point of Trump’s term. Like many Americans, we sometimes find the velocity of chaos unmanageable. We find it hard to believe, for example, that we are engaged in a serious debate about whether the president of the United States is a Russian-intelligence asset. So we decided to pause for a moment and analyze 50 of the most improbable, norm-bending, and destructive incidents of this presidency to date.

Amazing work.

Hawkeye10 · Jan 14, 2019

haymarket said:
This is something you will want to bookmark or copy or even go back in time and hit the bookstore and buy a copy of. Jeffrey Goldberg in The Atlantic Magazine has a wonderful compilation of 50 moments that define the Trump presidency. Any one of them would have been a big deal and many even rise to the level of a full blown scandal in other administrations but with Trump its just daily news that is forgotten when the next fiasco comes along days later.

https://www.theatlantic.com/unthinkable/

When you have all these together in front of you and one can see the collective negative impact on our nation and its institutions, you can really appreciate how Trump has corrupted and polluted our very body politic.

here is the intro

Amazing work.

You might want to think on what it means that the alternatives are so bad that so many support Trump in spite of these 50 moments.

haymarket · Jan 14, 2019

Hawkeye10 said:
You might want to think on what it means that the alternatives are so bad that so many support Trump in spite of these 50 moments.

What "alternatives" that "are so bad" are you referring to?

Mycroft · Jan 14, 2019

haymarket said:
This is something you will want to bookmark or copy or even go back in time and hit the bookstore and buy a copy of. Jeffrey Goldberg in The Atlantic Magazine has a wonderful compilation of 50 moments that define the Trump presidency. Any one of them would have been a big deal and many even rise to the level of a full blown scandal in other administrations but with Trump its just daily news that is forgotten when the next fiasco comes along days later.

https://www.theatlantic.com/unthinkable/

When you have all these together in front of you and one can see the collective negative impact on our nation and its institutions, you can really appreciate how Trump has corrupted and polluted our very body politic.

here is the intro

Amazing work.

LOL!!

Did you read the nonsense in #50? About the "Magic Orb"?

I mean...seriously? Saruman the White? The Illuminati? That thing reads like a joke piece, instead of focusing on the important, strategic collaboration between three very important countries and their effect on the Middle East.

If the other 49 "defining moments" are of this caliber, I'd say the whole screed is useless for anyone who is serious.

haymarket · Jan 14, 2019

Mycroft said:
LOL!!

Did you read the nonsense in #50? About the "Magic Orb"?

I mean...seriously? Saruman the White? The Illuminati? That thing reads like a joke piece, instead of focusing on the important, strategic collaboration between three very important countries and their effect on the Middle East.

If the other 49 "defining moments" are of this caliber, I'd say the whole screed is useless for anyone who is serious.

If you read the list - which obviously you did NOT do but posted anyways - you will find that it rises and increases in seriousness and importance and gravitas as it goes from number fifty to number one.

and you obviously missed the conclusion about the orb listing

When the orb image first circulated, during Donald Trump’s visit to Saudi Arabia in early 2017, the internet giggled nervously. The orb was a crystal ball, a node of freemasonry, a concentration of diabolic energy, and the three kings were its slaves. Hydra, the Illuminati, Saruman the White, etc. Trump might as well have appeared astride a golden calf or greedily clutching a chalice of goat’s blood. But the point of the image is not its flavor of the occult; the point is its unbelievable, its almost otherworldly, naffness. As with other moments from the Trumpian spectacular—the dinner with Mitt Romney, the deflated Pope Francis—you do yourself an imaginative mischief, you blow your own mind, if you try to interpret it. There’s nothing to interpret. It’s right there. No magic, no secret, no esoteric conclave. Just this life-draining, futuristic, departure-lounge tawdriness. The vibe is catastrophic. The people look ill. Only Trump, chin raised, mouth set in bullion-faced complacency, appears healthy. He’s in his element.

The President as a fool is not good for the American image overseas.

I fully and completely expect Trumpkins to reject this information. Of course it is useless to them. All information which exposes their idol as unfit and incompetent is useless to them. The world might stop spinning if they did any other thing.

Hawkeye10 · Jan 14, 2019

haymarket said:
What "alternatives" that "are so bad" are you referring to?

Sorry, I am disappointed to see that I made that too complicated for you so let me restate...You might want to think on what it means that in spite of these 50 moments Trumps approval rating is North of 40% (according to 538), and that with-in two months of his glide down the escalator he was ahead of what was called the best stable of R candidates in anyones memory , and then he stayed there.

Mycroft · Jan 14, 2019

haymarket said:
If you read the list - which obviously you did NOT do but posted anyways - you will find that it rises and increases in seriousness and importance and gravitas as it goes from number fifty to number one.

and you obviously missed the conclusion about the orb listing

The President as a fool is not good for the American image overseas.

I fully and completely expect Trumpkins to reject this information. Of course it is useless to them. All information which exposes their idol as unfit and incompetent is useless to them. The world might stop spinning if they did any other thing.

Okay. Fair point. I had only looked at #50. So...I went to the other end: #1. Separating children.

Instead of treating the topic like a joke, as they did in #50, they dishonestly tugged at heartstrings. Nowhere in that nonsense did they mention that the separation is the law and was further demanded by court action. Not to mention that the same separation has been done by all previous Presidents. #1 is nothing more than a dishonest, spinning hit piece.

But, thanks to you, I can now confirm my judgment that this whole screed is useless for anyone who is, not only serious, but honest.

haymarket · Jan 14, 2019

Hawkeye10 said:
Sorry, I am disappointed to see that I made that too complicated for you so let me restate...You might want to think on what it means that in spite of these 50 moments Trumps approval rating is North of 40% (according to 538), and that with-in two months of his glide down the escalator he was ahead of what was called the best stable of R candidates in anyones memory , and then he stayed there.

So you were impotent to list these worse alternatives and try to move the goal posts. Got it loud and clear.

And do you really pretend that that 40% (or less) of American who continue to support him are actually open to information which might threaten their support of Trump?

Hawkeye10 · Jan 14, 2019

haymarket said:
So you were impotent to list these worse alternatives and try to move the goal posts. Got it loud and clear.

And do you really pretend that that 40% (or less) of American who continue to support him are actually open to information which might threaten their support of Trump?

When someone does not do something you request there are two possible reasons, one is that they can not as you say, the other is that they choose to not.

You are not free to assume that can not is the reason for the result.

To do so is to behave as a jerk would.

Civilized folks avoid that.

As you should.

Xelor · Jan 14, 2019

haymarket said:
This is something you will want to bookmark or copy or even go back in time and hit the bookstore and buy a copy of. Jeffrey Goldberg in The Atlantic Magazine has a wonderful compilation of 50 moments that define the Trump presidency. Any one of them would have been a big deal and many even rise to the level of a full blown scandal in other administrations but with Trump its just daily news that is forgotten when the next fiasco comes along days later.

https://www.theatlantic.com/unthinkable/

When you have all these together in front of you and one can see the collective negative impact on our nation and its institutions, you can really appreciate how Trump has corrupted and polluted our very body politic.

here is the intro

Amazing work.

Trump's behavior is not the new normal, and "normal" is not a term that accurately describes Trump and his Administration's behavior, except if one's depiction is predicated on Trump's and many of his key lieutenant's being crooked from the get-go.

Aside:

Frankly, I think Trump knows he crooked because that's the term he used to describe Hillary, and the one thing Trump does quite consistently is choose pejoratives that apply to him when denigrating others.

haymarket · Jan 14, 2019

Hawkeye10 said:
When someone does not do something you request there are two possible reasons, one is that they can not as you say, the other is that they choose to not.

You are not free to assume that can not is the reason for the result.

To do so is to behave as a jerk would.

Civilized folks avoid that.

As you should.

You chose NOT to back up your claims about worse alternatives because you CANNOT back up your claims about worse alternatives.

All I did was ask you to explain your statement. It is unfortunate that you take a simple and normal follow up to your own statement in the manner that you have. Unless that changes, debate is not possible.

haymarket · Jan 14, 2019

Mycroft said:
Okay. Fair point. I had only looked at #50. So...I went to the other end: #1. Separating children.

Instead of treating the topic like a joke, as they did in #50, they dishonestly tugged at heartstrings. Nowhere in that nonsense did they mention that the separation is the law and was further demanded by court action. Not to mention that the same separation has been done by all previous Presidents. #1 is nothing more than a dishonest, spinning hit piece.

But, thanks to you, I can now confirm my judgment that this whole screed is useless for anyone who is, not only serious, but honest.

To pretend that this Trump policy is the same as previous presidents policies is dishonest and you know it is.

read and learn

The Facts About Donald Trump'''s Family Separation Policy | Time

In May, Sessions announced that the U.S. would take a stricter stance on illegal crossings at the Mexican border which would result in parents and children being separated, rather than keeping them together in detention centers.

“If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law,” Sessions said at a law enforcement event in Scottsdale, Ariz. “If you don’t like that, then don’t smuggle children over our border.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_family_separation_policy

The Trump administration family separation policy, described by the Trump administration as part of its "zero tolerance" policy, was an aspect of U.S. President Donald Trump's immigration policy. The new guidelines were implemented in April 2018, and, following immense public opposition and political pressure, were suspended for an indefinite period of time on June 20, 2018, through an executive order.

Under the zero tolerance protocol, federal authorities separated children from their parents, relatives, or other adults who accompanied them in crossing the border.[1][2][3] Despite documented cases of children being separated when lawfully presenting at ports of entry,[4] the Trump administration said this only happened in cases of protecting children or human trafficking.[5][3] The policy involved prosecuting all adults who were detained at the U.S.–Mexico border, sending the parents to federal jails, and placing children and infants under the supervision of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.[1] According to government officials, the policy led to the separation of almost 3,000 children from their parents.[6][7][8]

The Trump administration sought to justify the new policy while also blaming Congress for it, with President Trump referring to "the Democrats’ law" and calling for a change to existing immigration laws. Democrats, and many Republicans, spoke out forcefully against the policy. No law forced the government to separate families.

Mycroft · Jan 14, 2019

haymarket said:
To pretend that this Trump policy is the same as previous presidents policies is dishonest and you know it is.

read and learn

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_family_separation_policy

I didn't say it was the same policy. I said that previous President did the same separations. If anything, Trump has done more to comply with the law and the courts than previous Presidents, while still enforcing the law in dealing with illegal aliens.

Fletch · Jan 14, 2019

Xelor said:
Trump's behavior is not the new normal, and "normal" is not a term that accurately describes Trump and his Administration's behavior, except if one's depiction is predicated on Trump's and many of his key lieutenant's being crooked from the get-go.

Aside:

Frankly, I think Trump knows he crooked because that's the term he used to describe Hillary, and the one thing Trump does quite consistently is choose pejoratives that apply to him when denigrating others.

You mean like 'Little Marco?' Trump is 6'3" Or maybe you mean 'Low energy Jeb?' Trump has more energy than anyone I know. Maybe it is 'Pocahontas' you are thinking of except Trump isnt Native American.

Praxas · Jan 14, 2019

Mycroft said:
I didn't say it was the same policy. I said that previous President did the same separations. If anything, Trump has done more to comply with the law and the courts than previous Presidents, while still enforcing the law in dealing with illegal aliens.

No the same seperations were not done with a zero tolerance policy like trump did which made it exponentially worse.

Mycroft · Jan 14, 2019

Praxas said:
No the same seperations were not done with a zero tolerance policy like trump did which made it exponentially worse.

As I said...Trump did more to comply with the law and the courts while still enforcing the law in dealing with illegal aliens.

You cannot deny that previous Presidents did not separate families. All you can say is that they selectively complied with the law to a lesser degree than Trump has.

ttwtt78640 · Jan 14, 2019

Praxas said:
No the same seperations were not done with a zero tolerance policy like trump did which made it exponentially worse.

The alternative is catch and release which Trump did not favor yet is essentially forced by the courts. Our immigration laws, coupled with insufficient congressional funding, make it impossible to "process" many thousands of (semi-legal?) immigrants seeking asylum within the timeframe mandated by the courts.

haymarket · Jan 14, 2019

Mycroft said:
I didn't say it was the same policy. I said that previous President did the same separations. If anything, Trump has done more to comply with the law and the courts than previous Presidents, while still enforcing the law in dealing with illegal aliens.

But it is not the SAME and I provided evidence to show that. It is dishonest for you or anyone else to claim it is the SAME.

Praxas · Jan 14, 2019

Mycroft said:
As I said...Trump did more to comply with the law and the courts while still enforcing the law in dealing with illegal aliens.

You cannot deny that previous Presidents did not separate families. All you can say is that they selectively complied with the law to a lesser degree than Trump has.

Sorry but when you apply a zero tolerance policy, you get what we had here where the system CANNOT keep up with it and children are STILL separated from their kids. It's complete incompetence on the part of Trump. You guys only demonstrate why you have no business any where near the government.

RabidAlpaca · Jan 14, 2019

Hawkeye10 said:
You might want to think on what it means that the alternatives are so bad that so many support Trump in spite of these 50 moments.

So the one time screaming WE USED TO BE BETTER would actually make sense and be relevant to the OP you don't do it?

marke · Jan 14, 2019

haymarket said:
This is something you will want to bookmark or copy or even go back in time and hit the bookstore and buy a copy of. Jeffrey Goldberg in The Atlantic Magazine has a wonderful compilation of 50 moments that define the Trump presidency. Any one of them would have been a big deal and many even rise to the level of a full blown scandal in other administrations but with Trump its just daily news that is forgotten when the next fiasco comes along days later.

https://www.theatlantic.com/unthinkable/

When you have all these together in front of you and one can see the collective negative impact on our nation and its institutions, you can really appreciate how Trump has corrupted and polluted our very body politic.

here is the intro

Amazing work.

Anti-American democrat Bolsheviks continue to find fault in every little thing Trump or Trump supporters do, whether good or not so good. Democrat socialists don't like Trump. They never will. They will gripe and complain and find fault with everything he does, because he stands between them and their seditious plan to transform America into a godless democrat oligarchy which finally ends Christianity and Christian influence in America.

Sampson Simpson · Jan 14, 2019

haymarket said:
You chose NOT to back up your claims about worse alternatives because you CANNOT back up your claims about worse alternatives.

All I did was ask you to explain your statement. It is unfortunate that you take a simple and normal follow up to your own statement in the manner that you have. Unless that changes, debate is not possible.

Look, when you have no actual argument, those types of tricks of deflection are all these people have. what's unfortunate is how dishonest and stupid one has to be to continue to defend Trump or pretend since there are millions of morons in this country that support him that somehow means something. it just shows this country has a serious moron/scumbag problem

haymarket · Jan 14, 2019

marke said:
Anti-American democrat Bolsheviks continue to.....

live in the minds and imaginations of Trumpkins.

tres borrachos · Jan 14, 2019

haymarket said:
This is something you will want to bookmark or copy or even go back in time and hit the bookstore and buy a copy of. Jeffrey Goldberg in The Atlantic Magazine has a wonderful compilation of 50 moments that define the Trump presidency. Any one of them would have been a big deal and many even rise to the level of a full blown scandal in other administrations but with Trump its just daily news that is forgotten when the next fiasco comes along days later.

https://www.theatlantic.com/unthinkable/

When you have all these together in front of you and one can see the collective negative impact on our nation and its institutions, you can really appreciate how Trump has corrupted and polluted our very body politic.

here is the intro

Amazing work.

Interesting list.

Kobie · Jan 14, 2019

Hawkeye10 said:
You might want to think on what it means that the alternatives are so bad that so many support Trump in spite of these 50 moments.

It means that there’s a LOT of stupid, easily manipulated people in this country.

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