400 Henry Ford Health employees quit over COVID-19 vaccine mandate (1 Viewer)

[screenwriter]

LOL, I guess that's one excuse anti-vaxxers can use when they point to their favorite plumber on youtube telling them about vaccines.

Saying that janitors know less than MDs about medicine is NOT disrespectful. Sorry.

The post wasn't about "knowing" it was about separating into those of value to those of less value based on the nature of their job.

 

[screenwriter]

And, I see the point soared over your head. Yes, it's a dirty nasty job. However, it is not exactly a job that you need several years of upper education for. That is the kind of job that is entirely replaceable quickly. All you have to do is get someone who is willing to be vaccinated, and has the ability to do the job. In replacement, being vaccinated will be a requirement for getting hired. The ones were fired, well, they are not intelligible for unemployment benefits.

Sad thing is those same people STILL did that exact same job during the time a vaccine wasn't available - now people just spit in their face.

 

[screenwriter]

The post wasn't about "knowing" it was about separating into those of value to those of less value based on the nature of their job.

And think again if you truly believe those jobs are as easy to fill as you so blithely think they are.

 

[ElChupacabra]

From what I hear the job market is booming. Of course as more companies succumb to the intimidation of the Biden administration that might change. But it might backfire on him if you have a lot of resentful employees.

The number of people quitting has been pretty small, and most have complied. If the people who took the company survey where I work were being honest, then 86% of employees wanted to come back only if everyone was vaccinated. We'll see what this actually means as the return to office date gets closer.

 

[holbritter]

That's good it was a small percentage. Locally, the hospitals and clinics are in worse shape. It's getting bad when hospitals are turning ambulances away because they lost staff and local clinics are being closed because of staffing issues. Another area being affected is ambulance service with having to cover more areas, the response times have been bad.
Wish they had the option of testing in the mandate rules. We could have kept more people who would be willing to do that and still use proper precautions.

 

[snakestretcher]

Wow!

As a lifelong coward who would have done anything to keep my job (including shining the boss's shoes), I envy those 400 people's courage.

I have no comment on either their wisdom or stupidity in refusing the vaccine.

I just admire their guts in putting their money where their mouth is.

I wonder how their families feel now their breadwinners are out of work...making a principled stand at the same time as shooting oneself in the foot isn't terribly bright.

 

[snakestretcher]

And think again if you truly believe those jobs are as easy to fill as you so blithely think they are.

Ford are already hiring-as the OP stated. If people are dumb enough to deliberately make themselves unemployed I'm sure they'll also enjoy seeing their well-paid jobs taken by someone more deserving.

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[AliHajiSheik]

I wonder what percentage was clinical staff, and what percentage was doing things like mopping floors, and general maintenance.

We can also wonder what percent already got COVID.

 

[screenwriter]

Ford are already hiring-as the OP stated. If people are dumb enough to deliberately make themselves unemployed I'm sure they'll also enjoy seeing their well-paid jobs taken by someone more deserving.

Ford Motor Company Salaries

The average salary for Ford Motor Company is $127k per year, which includes an average base salary of $105k and an average bonus of $22k. Ford Motor Company salary ranges from $43k to $300k. See salaries from 31 job titles at Ford Motor Company. Last updated months ago.

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Don't all housekeeping staff everywhere make $100k?

 

[screenwriter]

We can also wonder what percent already got COVID.

And how many recovered from same ...

 

[screenwriter]

We can also wonder what percent already got COVID.

The bigger question - what was the hospital's policy for anyone who didn't want to work when there wasn't a vaccine. Keep working or you're fired? Would be interesting to know.

 

[AliHajiSheik]

And how many recovered from same ...

Presumably if they were still working, they didn't die with or from COVID, hence recovered if having previously tested positive.

 

[snakestretcher]

Don't all housekeeping staff everywhere make $100k?

I believe we're discussing Ford.

 

[snakestretcher]

And how many recovered from same ...

Recovery from Covid doesn't automatically equate to robust good health...

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Imagine the fun you could have dragging around an oxygen cylinder because you can't breathe properly.

 

[RAMOSS]

We can also wonder what percent already got COVID.

Reinfection is not entirely unheard of. They find that reinfection rates are much much lower with people who have been sick, and have gotten even one shot.

 

[AliHajiSheik]

Reinfection is not entirely unheard of. They find that reinfection rates are much much lower with people who have been sick, and have gotten even one shot.

Neither is getting COVID after being vaccinated. The point is that employment based strictly on vaccinated status is flawed. Both vaccinated people and people who have had COVID can get it and both are significantly in better shape than those who have had neither COVID nor the vaccine.

 

[Overitall]

The number of people quitting has been pretty small, and most have complied. If the people who took the company survey where I work were being honest, then 86% of employees wanted to come back only if everyone was vaccinated. We'll see what this actually means as the return to office date gets closer.

Of those 86%, how many of them complied as a result of being told they would lose their job if they didn't? I've worked at places where people were upset if everyone didn't follow the same rules. Not that they agreed with the rules but rather they insist on them applying equally to everyone.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I believe we're discussing Ford.

Hey, "Ford Motor Company" - "Henry Ford Hospitals" what's the difference (they both have "Ford" in their names - right)?

 

[JasperL]

Intersting lineage. The original Henry Ford was well known for intruding into his workers private lives. He mandated his recent immigrants employees attended classes on how to be American. He mandated how they kept their houses and how often they took a bath. There ended up being a lot of pushback on this and many workers quit even though they were being paid what was at the time the exorbitant wage of five dollars a day.

Guess it's in the Ford genes to micro manage employees private lives.

They are not micromanaging their lives. They work in healthcare and so routinely see people at the greatest risk of COVID serious cases, even the vaccinated, and so the first job of the hospital is to protect patients. Vaccines do that better than any other option, by far.

Further, the risk of an employee getting a serious case and costing the hospital the roughly $100k or so on average to treat those cases goes UP for the unvaccinated, so the mandate makes business sense on the cost side, if they needed more reasons and they didn't.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Neither is getting COVID after being vaccinated. The point is that employment based strictly on vaccinated status is flawed. Both vaccinated people and people who have had COVID can get it and both are significantly in better shape than those who have had neither COVID nor the vaccine.

You are correct - to a point.

Let's see if you can figure this one out.

[1] You have three beakers that will each hold 600ml.​

[2] You have two different solutions which you are going to put into those beakers in 250ml batches.​

[3] You pour 250ml of the first solution into the Beaker 1.​

[4] You pour 250ml of the second solution into the Beaker 2.​

[5] You pour 250ml of the first solution and 250ml of the second solution into Beaker 3.​

EXAM QUESTION

Which beaker is the fullest

[ 1] ___ Beaker 1​

[ 2] ___ Beaker 2​

[ 3] ___ Beaker 3​

[ 4] ___ Beakers 1 & 2​

[ 5] ___ Beakers 2 & 3​

[ 6] ___ Beakers 3 & 1​

[ 7] ___ Beakers 1, 2, & 3​

[ 8] ___ All of the above​

[ 9] ___ None of the above​

[10] ___ I'll take "Obscure Bangladeshi Folk Singers" for $500 please Alex.​

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

They are not micromanaging their lives. They work in healthcare and so routinely see people at the greatest risk of COVID serious cases, even the vaccinated, and so the first job of the hospital is to protect patients. Vaccines do that better than any other option, by far.

Further, the risk of an employee getting a serious case and costing the hospital the roughly $100k or so on average to treat those cases goes UP for the unvaccinated, so the mandate makes business sense on the cost side, if they needed more reasons and they didn't.

Thought we were talking about Ford and it’s employees quitting due to vaccine mandate

My error

 

[seymourflops]

Intersting lineage. The original Henry Ford was well known for intruding into his workers private lives. He mandated his recent immigrants employees attended classes on how to be American. He mandated how they kept their houses and how often they took a bath. There ended up being a lot of pushback on this and many workers quit even though they were being paid what was at the time the exorbitant wage of five dollars a day.

Guess it's in the Ford genes to micro manage employees private lives.

Ford was an unusual guy. He was strongly anti-semetic but he promoted black workers and told white workers who objected that they were welcome to go begin to Kansas if they didn't like it.

The libs on here here got one thing right.Companies are using the non-existent mandate to blame government for their vaccinevrequirements.

Credit where due.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Of those 86%, how many of them complied as a result of being told they would lose their job if they didn't?

We'll soon find out. They're going to introduce a portal soon for people to upload their vaccination status. As for the opinions they gave in the survey, the question was whether one would want to come back if everyone was vaccinated, so the assumption is they are including themselves in the "everyone".

I've worked at places where people were upset if everyone didn't follow the same rules. Not that they agreed with the rules but rather they insist on them applying equally to everyone.

Nothing in that survey that I saw would provide that kind of insight. Based on the questions they asked, it was clear they were trying to determine what conditions employees expected to be present for them to come back to the office.