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3rd Public Hearing of House Select Committee on 1/6

Liberal7360 said:
Why are you wasting your time arguing with someone who has not even watched the hearing much less knows what they are trying to argue with you about?

All that person is trying to do is derail the thread.

I mostly scroll right by that person's posts.
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I don't do it for his sake, believe me. I do it for those that might not see his game being run at them. I do ignore about 80% of what he posts as about 80% of it is incoherent.
 
jnug said:
For those that may not have been around for the Watergate Hearings, today's Hearing is the equivalent of and in fact well beyond the John Dean "there is a cancer on the Presidency" testimony to the Senate Watergate Committee.

Stark, stunning testimony from Trump WH Counsel Jacob. Absolutely INDIGNANT testimony from Judge Luttig, one of the most respected Conservative Jurists in the country. Luttig for his part is truly beside himself that these absurd Eastman theories were at all considered even marginally credible or had any Constitutional standing or basis in Law. Luttig eventually and generously considering his mood, called the entirety of the Eastman arguments "Constitutional Mischief".

Luttig for his part and ultimately Jacobs also struck at the heart of the BULLSHIT historical precedent of the Election of 1800. Luttig ultimately said that if he had been around in 1800, he would have "thrown his very body in front of the 1800 controversy which he clearly did not see should have been controversial. Jacob in words not as full of outrage, agreed!
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The Watergate hearings were all about a sitting president. These 1-6 hearings are about a president that left office 18 months ago. About someone no longer president, no longer in charge. Old news to ancient history.

Simple question, do you expect these public hearings to change how folks plan on voting in the midterms come November? If the primetime 1-6 hearing is a prime example, they’re not going to. Here, you can compare the generic congressional ballot, Biden’s approval ratings and the number of house seats at risk, switchable, competitive along with the 5 pure tossup states in the senate.

8 June 2022 Generic congressional ballot, RCP averages 46.5-42.5, Republican, 538 averages 45.2-42.8 Republican

16 June 2022 Generic congressional ballot, RCP averages 46.3-42.8, Republican, 538 averages 44.9-42.3 Republican

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2022-generic-congressional-vote-7361.html

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/generic-ballot/

The President’s overall job performance numbers.

8 June 2022 Biden’s overall job performance, 40.7% approve, 54.0% disapprove

16 June 2022 Biden’s overall job performance, 38.9% approve, 54.4% disapprove

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html

House of Representatives number of competitive, switchable, at risk house seats and the senate ratings.

8 June – House 39 Democratic seats, 13 Republican seats fell into the at-risk category. A probable gain of 18-20 seats for the Republicans. Senate – 5 pure tossups, 3 democratic held seats, Georgia, Nevada, Arizona, 2 Republican held seats, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin. 1 lean Democratic seat, Democratic held New Hampshire, 1 lean Republican seat, Republican held North Carolina.

16 June – House 40 Democratic seats, 13 Republican seats fell into the at-risk category. A probable gain of 18-20 seats for the Republicans. Senate – 5 pure tossups, 3 democratic held seats, Georgia, Nevada, Arizona, 2 Republican held seats, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin. 1 lean Democratic seat, Democratic held New Hampshire, 1 lean Republican seat, Republican held North Carolina.
 
Perotista said:
The Watergate hearings were all about a sitting president. These 1-6 hearings are about a president that left office 18 months ago. About someone no longer president, no longer in charge. Old news to ancient history.
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Not ancient history because Trump, Coup plotter that he is still intends running in 2024 to the best of our knowledge. Claiming "ancient history" is about the most absurd thing you have posted in a long time. You are usually better than that.
 
Buckeyes85 said:
Why are people who refuse to watch the hearings and hear the evidence presented even attempting to argue the relative merits of the evidence presented?
Seems about as childlike as the kid who puts his fingers in his ears while going "blah, blah, blah" to avoid hearing what he is being told.
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Why do I need to watch the hearings when we have forum members who will report on what goes on?

All I did was comment on what the OP said happened.
 
jnug said:
Not ancient history because Trump, Coup plotter that he is still intends running in 2024 to the best of our knowledge. Claiming "ancient history" is about the most absurd thing you have posted in a long time. You are usually better than that.
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Not really. I deal in how these events effect elections. Although a lot of folks call them game changers, there’re not. The leaked SCOTUS draft didn’t move the needle and neither has the Buffalo and Texas mass school shootings. What I’m saying is I doubt the 1-6 hearings will either. A week after their primetime showing, the needles is close to being exactly where it was pre-primetime hearing as I posted. Who watched the hearings, 40% of Democrats watched all or part, 16% of Republicans and 19% of independents? Interesting is that 22% of Democrats, 39% of Republicans, 34% of independent haven’t heard or seen a single thing on the primetime 1-6 hearings to this day. Which simply means is that those who might change their vote for the midterms, didn’t watch any of it and haven’t heard anything about it a week after.

On those who plan on watching future 1-6 hearing, 51% of Democrats do, 16% of Republicans and 19% of independents. The total viewing audience who watch all or part of it was made up of 54% Democrats, 21% Republicans and 25% of Independents. I’m surprised that Democrats didn’t make up a larger share of those who watched, surprised that 21% of Republican watched, I figured that would be much lower. As for independents, I figured that would be around 20%. But we have a category among independents, those who lean Democratic, I imagine most of that 25% were them. Independents who lean Democratic. Did the 1-6 prime time hearings influence how folks plan on voting in November or if Trump should be prosecuted. I don’t think it did. Democrats want him prosecuted, Republicans don’t. Democrats are going to vote Democratic in the midterms and Republicans will vote Republican.

As to ancient history, that’s is the category most independents place the hearings. To them, Trump is gone, no longer president, no longer in charge no longer relevant. Old news or ancient history. What is important to independents, what will decide how they’ll vote is the elephant in the room. Inflation, to independents that is their most important, number one issue in deciding how they’ll vote. Trump to them, mean little to nothing as do these hearings. It’s today they’re worried about, it’s their thinning to flat wallets, not a hearing on something that happened 18 months ago. I provided the info in my last post as to the 1-6 hearings not effecting the midterms and or how people will vote. That may be absurd to you, but numbers don’t lie.


https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/3jwspvzrht/econTabReport.pdf

Should Trump be prosecuted – 78% of Democrats say yes, 9% say no, 7% of Republicans say yes, 77% say no, 35% of independents say yes, 45% say no with 20% not caring one way or the other. The 1-6 primetime hearings didn’t change any of that.

 
reflechissez said:
And?
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A simple question do you expect these public hearings to change how folks plan on voting in the midterms come November? Along with comparing the number pre-1-6 primetime hearings to today's numbers.
 
Perotista said:
A simple question do you expect these public hearings to change how folks plan on voting in the midterms come November? Along with comparing the number pre-1-6 primetime hearings to today's numbers.
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Possibly...what does that have to do with anything? Are you trying to make the case that Congress can't chew bubble gum and walk at the same time. I am not convinced they can chew bubble gum. That does not change that Trump the Coup plotter and his goon squad is STILL running around the country trying to convince people to mess with the 2020 election, are trying to mess with the 2022 so they can set themselves up for the 2024.

So whatever Congress can do to legislate ghoulish efforts to burn down the Republic out, I am all for it. We got too close in 2020 and the same goons that tried to pull off 2020 are still around and will try it again with or without Donnie.

I really don't even know what case you are trying to make. You have your neat little list of polls. I know you love them. But they are really only popularity contests outside of the real deal which is an election. Some of them are not even good popularity contests because they are poorly constructed as surveys. So if you expect me to base my determinations as to the value of what is going on with the Select Committee and whether I would disband it or not based on popularity polls of undermined value....think again.
 
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Mycroft said:
So...according to you, people gave their opinions.

Big deal.

We get opinions every day from the Trump hating media.
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This is how cult members run cover for an attempted coup against the United States of America.
 
Perotista said:
A simple question do you expect these public hearings to change how folks plan on voting in the midterms come November? Along with comparing the number pre-1-6 primetime hearings to today's numbers.
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Remains to be seen. Your opinion about it being "ancient history" applies to you.
 
jnug said:
Possibly...what does that have to do with anything? Are you trying to make the case that Congress can't chew bubble gum and walk at the same time. I am not convinced they can chew bubble gum. That does not change that Trump the Coup plotter and his goon squad is STILL running around the country trying to convince people to mess with the 2020 election, are trying to mess with the 2022 so they can set themselves up for the 2024.

So whatever Congress can do to legislate ghoulish efforts to burn down the Republic out, I am all for it. We got too close in 2020 and the same goons that tried to pull off 2020 are still around and will try it again with or without Donnie.

I really don't even know what case you are trying to make. You have your neat little list of polls. I know you love them. But they are really only popularity contests outside of the real deal which is an election. Some of them are not even good popularity contests because they are poorly constructed as surveys. So if you expect me to base my determinations as to the value of what is going on with the Select Committee and whether I would disband it or not based on popularity polls of undermined value....think again.
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Okay, yeah, I love them. Keeping track of polls let me know what America as a whole is thinking, feeling, what issues are important to them and which aren’t. I’m a swing voter, non-affiliated and certainly not a partisan anything. I realize how important it is to Democrats to bring Trump to justice. I also realize Republicans will do everything in their power to prevent that. This is a case of most independents being caught in the middle in this battle. I approach these events, major happenings through a political strategist eyes, always keeping the next election in mind.

I also know Republicans and Democrats won’t decide a thing when it comes to the midterm elections. They cancel each other out. Knowing this, I ask how do independents view all of this, they’ll decide winners and losers come November. What I’m seeing so far is the 1-6 hearings, primetime, etc. haven’t changed the dynamics of the midterms. I don’t think most independents care what happens to Trump. Send him to jail or let him walk. What they care about is the economy, inflation, rising prices, empty store shelves, this is what drives them and this is what will decide who they’ll vote for come November.

Strange how Trump is so important to Republicans and Democrats, but many independents look on Trump as a has been, gone, history. He’s not important to them one way or the other. What one needs to realize is these independents make up roughly 40% of the electorate. They think the Democrats should be concentrating on fixing the inflation problem. That’s today’s problem for them, Trump, he’s yesterday’s problem, independents did their job to get rid of him voting for Biden 54-41 over Trump. It’s seems to me the Democrats have lost touch with everyone except their base. That’s no way to win elections, if they even care about that.
 
reflechissez said:
Remains to be seen. Your opinion about it being "ancient history" applies to you.
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Not only to me, but to approximately 40% of the electorate who aren't affiliated with either major party. If you paid any attention to who watched the primetime hearings, it was very heavy with democrats, very light with Republicans and Independents. In other words, those who want Trump charged, convicted and sent to jail watched the hearings, those who don't and those who don't care, didn't. Sort of the preacher preaching to the choir type of event.
 
Mycroft said:
So...according to you, people gave their opinions.

Big deal.

We get opinions every day from the Trump hating media.
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I thought Trump only hired the "best people". Why have several of these "best people" testified against Trump to the Jan 6 Committee?

A question you still refuse to touch with a 10 foot pole....Yeah, you ain't got shit.

All you can do is cry like a little Trumpster bitch about the "Trump hating media".
 
Mycroft said:
Why do I need to watch the hearings when we have forum members who will report on what goes on?

All I did was comment on what the OP said happened.
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Well you deny they accurately report what happened, or rather attempt to twist the nature of the testimony to fit your narrative when you didn't even hear the testimony to begin with. It's silly.
 
Perotista said:
Okay, yeah, I love them. Keeping track of polls let me know what America as a whole is thinking, feeling, what issues are important to them and which aren’t. I’m a swing voter, non-affiliated and certainly not a partisan anything. I realize how important it is to Democrats to bring Trump to justice. I also realize Republicans will do everything in their power to prevent that. This is a case of most independents being caught in the middle in this battle. I approach these events, major happenings through a political strategist eyes, always keeping the next election in mind.

I also know Republicans and Democrats won’t decide a thing when it comes to the midterm elections. They cancel each other out. Knowing this, I ask how do independents view all of this, they’ll decide winners and losers come November. What I’m seeing so far is the 1-6 hearings, primetime, etc. haven’t changed the dynamics of the midterms. I don’t think most independents care what happens to Trump. Send him to jail or let him walk. What they care about is the economy, inflation, rising prices, empty store shelves, this is what drives them and this is what will decide who they’ll vote for come November.

Strange how Trump is so important to Republicans and Democrats, but many independents look on Trump as a has been, gone, history. He’s not important to them one way or the other. What one needs to realize is these independents make up roughly 40% of the electorate. They think the Democrats should be concentrating on fixing the inflation problem. That’s today’s problem for them, Trump, he’s yesterday’s problem, independents did their job to get rid of him voting for Biden 54-41 over Trump. It’s seems to me the Democrats have lost touch with everyone except their base. That’s no way to win elections, if they even care about that.
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The inflation boat sailed. Nothing Biden does and nothing done on Capitol Hill will fix inflation to any great degree by Nov 2022.

Somebody needs to introduce people to the Fed which is not a government agency.

Can't help stupid become smart overnight.

Best the DEM's can hope for regarding inflation is that directionally, Inflation crests by November and the administration uses that directional shift to their advantage.
- China is such a mess that it will continue to be a factor that does not aid in mitigating the inflation issue
- the war in Ukraine will not be over in any kind of time that mitigates any of the issues that relate to Inflation
- anything Biden would do at this point like rescinding tariffs would be a tempest in a tea pot....no impact anybody would notice
- suspending gas taxes...nothing relevant their either
- the oil and gas industry will not pick up enough slack to ease gas and oil prices to any great degree. Biden railing at them will don't do anything either. The Federal Government has no control over the oil and gas industry whatsoever. If anything the oil and gas industries have more sway over the government than the government has over the oil and gas industry
- by the way, nobody has confidence that even Saudi has enough capacity to pick up the shortfall in oil production to meet consumption
- the Fed holds the most cards that can mitigate inflation in the short run. Raise interest rates....sell bonds. Never mind the soft landing. That ship sailed on the Fed when it delayed action. Best we get now if the Fed does its job from here is a semi-hard landing.

Oddly enough, besides the Fed, the element that holds the most cards is US. We need to stop our balls to the walls consumption at least temporarily...something Americans have never really done since WW2. It is such a foreign concept to us that nobody within the political realm will even propose it. Only other times we have not consumed at are normal insane rates is when we have choked off the economy. Choke off money, economy goes THUD.
 
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Buckeyes85 said:
Well you deny they accurately report what happened, or rather attempt to twist the nature of the testimony to fit your narrative when you didn't even hear the testimony to begin with. It's silly.
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I specifically said that they are giving their opinion. Nothing more.
 
jnug said:
The inflation boat sailed. Nothing Biden does and nothing done on Capitol Hill will fix inflation to any great degree by Nov 2022.

Somebody needs to introduce people to the Fed which is not a government agency.

Can't help stupid become smart overnight.

Best the DEM's can hope for regarding inflation is that directionally, Inflation crests by November and the administration uses that directional shift to their advantage.
- China is such a mess that it will continue to be a factor that does not aid in mitigating the inflation issue
- the war in Ukraine will not be over in any kind of time that mitigates any of the issues that relate to Inflation
- anything Biden would do at this point like rescinding tariffs would be a tempest in a tea pot....no impact anybody would notice
- suspending gas taxes...nothing relevant their either
- the oil and gas industry will not pick up enough slack to ease gas and oil prices to any great degree. Biden railing at them will don't do anything either. The Federal Government has no control over the oil and gas industry whatsoever. If anything the oil and gas industries have more sway over the government than the government has over the oil and gas industry
- by the way, nobody has confidence that even Saudi has enough capacity to pick up the shortfall in oil production to meet consumption
- the Fed holds the most cards that can mitigate inflation in the short run. Raise interest rates....sell bonds. Never mind the soft landing. That ship sailed on the Fed when it delayed action. Best we get now if the Fed does its job from here is a semi-hard landing.

Oddly enough, besides the Fed, the element that holds the most cards is US. We need to stop our balls to the walls consumption at least temporarily...something Americans have never really done since WW2. It is such a foreign concept to us that nobody within the political realm will even propose it. Only other times we have not consumed at are normal insane rates is when we have choked off the economy. Choke off money, economy goes THUD.
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It’s my understanding that it isn’t the supply of oil as it is refineries which are operating at 95% capacity. Then no large capacity refineries have been built since 1977,

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidb...7-targets-bakken-shale-crude/?sh=36c2c0261a9f

I think over time, inflation will correct itself, not in time for this year’s midterms. But in plenty of time for 2024. Hopefully, the Democrats will choose a fresh young face to run. My favorite at this point is Tammy Duckworth. I like her spunk and she’s a vet. I don’t have any favorites among the GOP, they’re too Trumpified for my taste. I just hope the Democrats stay away from Harris, she isn’t liked at all by independents, 30% favorable/62% unfavorable. She’s another Hillary Clinton waiting to happen.

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/3jwspvzrht/econTabReport.pdf

Maybe losing the House and perhaps the senate this year will get the Democrats united behind their candidate in 2024 like they were with Biden against Trump. It seems after the democrats defeated Trump, that was their only goal for 2020, all the different factions in the Democratic Party went their own separate ways. Way too much infighting. That isn’t helping the democrats in this year’s midterms either.

I’m probably as anti-Trump as most Democrats on this site. The difference, I like to look at the big picture, take in all of America. Not just from a Democratic Party point of view. When a party believes all of America believes as they do, then their in trouble come election time as that is never the case.
 
RIP U.S. Democracy said:
I thought Trump only hired the "best people". Why have several of these "best people" testified against Trump to the Jan 6 Committee?

A question you still refuse to touch with a 10 foot pole....Yeah, you ain't got shit.

All you can do is cry like a little Trumpster bitch about the "Trump hating media".
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Then runs away.
 
Perotista said:
It’s my understanding that it isn’t the supply of oil as it is refineries which are operating at 95% capacity. Then no large capacity refineries have been built since 1977,
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The same industry responsible for refining is responsible for exploration, drilling and production. It is also the same industry responsible for distribution. Many components of this industry are fully integrated from top to bottom as corporations. Nice work if you can get it.
 
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