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3 Reality-Based Charts Your Right-Wing Relatives Will Have a Hard Time Ignoring

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I found this article more humorous than shocking. I wouuld love to see some "right winger" please try to debunk these claims/graphs...

Problem: Your right-wing brother-in-law is plugged into the FOX-Limbaugh lie machine, and keeps sending you emails about "Obama spending" and "Obama deficits" and how the "Stimulus" just made things worse.
Solution: Here are three "reality-based" charts to send to him. These charts show what actually happened.

See charts and info here: 3 Reality-Based Charts Your Right-Wing Relatives Will Have a Hard Time Ignoring | Tea Party and the Right | AlterNet
 
Very excellent points per the three charts. It's what I've been saying to folks here for some time.

People will likely continue to debate whether or not the Stimulus saved or created "X" millions of jobs or that it failed to keep unemployment below a certain percentage, but IMO those issues are of far less consequence as saving the economy from going into a depression. To that, IMO, the Stimulus bill achieved its primary goal which was to stablize the economy.

The really crazy thing to me concerning the pundits job/employment arguments is that no one can deny that there has been private sector job growth even after the Stimulus began to wind down. It's still slow coming and the economy did take a hit last month by virtue of Congress arguing over raising the debt limit, the craziness in the stock market seems to have tappered off. Unless there's some catastrophic event between now and the election, I don't think we'll see any other "self-imposed destablizing factors" to derail recovery efforts. The 2011 budget is done; spending limits are already set through 2021 per the Budget Control Act of 2011. There are very few arguments the GOP can conjure up between now and Nov. 2012, but I'm sure either Boehnor, Cantor or McConnell will come up with something.
 
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Graph #1's interpretation seems a bit...off. "The spending hasn't increase that much". Given the increase under Bush (which many don't support, but can't change given he's no longer the president), the last thing that you want to see is somebody continue the trend. And if you look at that graph, the trend is still up. Secondly, as you see a larger spending pool, the percentage increase will decrease even if the actually $ increase stays on pace. Kind of like if you have $10 and you get another $10 you've doubled your money, but if you have $100 and you get $10 you've only increased your funds by 10%.

Graph #2 is taking into account 4 years worth of projected, not actual, deficits. Not really "reality based" until it happens.

And Graph #3 is only half of the picture, and labelled incorrectly. We've lost more government jobs (good long term, bad for unemployment in the short term) than we've gained private, or pretty close too it. Also, "republican policies" isn't really accurate after '06, when the republicans lost their majority in the house and ended up in a dead split in the senate.
 
Tess,

A fair comparison on spending would be to review how much Pres. Obama has spent during his first 3 yrs in office compared to Pres. GW Bush. Still, even the CBO has indicated that federal spending has decreased under Obama since the Stimulus was passed.

While it's true that federal/public sector jobs have been shed, that only bodes well for the Obama Administration because it still shows there was private sector job growth even with the loss of just jobs. As such, it's still a win for him although a modest one.

I agree with you in-part that the long-term deficit projections for Pres. Obama are just that - projections, but doesn't the recent spending cuts as negotiated for the 2010 and 2011 budgets along with the recent reductions from the debt limit negotiations count for anything?

Overall, I think the charts paint a much fairer picture than what's been articulated concerning the Obama Administration on federal spending, job growth and deficit reduction.
 
Tess,

A fair comparison on spending would be to review how much Pres. Obama has spent during his first 3 yrs in office compared to Pres. GW Bush. Still, even the CBO has indicated that federal spending has decreased under Obama since the Stimulus was passed.

While it's true that federal/public sector jobs have been shed, that only bodes well for the Obama Administration because it still shows there was private sector job growth even with the loss of just jobs. As such, it's still a win for him although a modest one.

I agree with you in-part that the long-term deficit projections for Pres. Obama are just that - projections, but doesn't the recent spending cuts as negotiated for the 2010 and 2011 budgets along with the recent reductions from the debt limit negotiations count for anything?

Overall, I think the charts paint a much fairer picture than what's been articulated concerning the Obama Administration on federal spending, job growth and deficit reduction.

Would those cuts have been put in place had the republicans not (recklessly) held the debt ceiling hostage?
 
I found this article more humorous than shocking. I wouuld love to see some "right winger" please try to debunk these claims/graphs...

Problem: Your right-wing brother-in-law is plugged into the FOX-Limbaugh lie machine, and keeps sending you emails about "Obama spending" and "Obama deficits" and how the "Stimulus" just made things worse.
Solution: Here are three "reality-based" charts to send to him. These charts show what actually happened.

See charts and info here: 3 Reality-Based Charts Your Right-Wing Relatives Will Have a Hard Time Ignoring | Tea Party and the Right | AlterNet

It's easy to ignore, it's crap from alternet. Yes, that's right, crap. Mindless sludge for the true believer, koolaide in concentrate so strong it should come with a surgeon generals warning.
 
It's easy to ignore, it's crap from alternet. Yes, that's right, crap. Mindless sludge for the true believer, koolaide in concentrate so strong it should come with a surgeon generals warning.

And in no way did you at all address the content of the graphs. I'm an Obama supporter and I can find problems with those images, but all your post offers is metaphor so vague it should come with a poetic interpretation of the surgeon generals warning.
 
It's easy to ignore, it's crap from alternet. Yes, that's right, crap. Mindless sludge for the true believer, koolaide in concentrate so strong it should come with a surgeon generals warning.

These guys are a known propaganda mill.

I found this article more humorous than shocking. I wouuld love to see some "right winger" please try to debunk these claims/graphs...

First, there was no link to the data - there is only a graph. They point to a website with budget data but they don't tell you which file they used. Here is the website, all nicely linked for you. Here is the Excel file that I downloaded to analyze.

Here is an image of the relevant portion of that file.

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1.) They're comparing an 9 year period of growth for Bush with a 4 year period for Obama.
2.) They use Budget Fiscal Years as the basis of the comparison. This means that all of what was going on in any President's first year of office is assumed to be the handiwork of the past President - in a sense then, President Bush's first year in office was really President Clinton's last year. Clearly this isn't true - Presidents shape policies and spending immediately. They cancel programs. They launch new programs.
3.) These morons can't do math. They list that there was an 88% growth in the budget during Bush's term of office. The problem is that in order to get that number then have to calculate the the period in office as nine years, not 8, beginning in 2001 and ending at the end of 2009. If the period was 2001-2008, then Bush's spending rose by 67% over the spending in place in 2000. If the period runs from 2002 to 2009, meaning Bush is responsible for all of the spending that Barack Obama did in his first complete year of office, then Bush's spending rose by 75% over the spending that took place in 2001, which they would have you believe was not influenced at all by President Bush but was all President Clinton's doing. They're still not up to 88%. What these clowns did was count all 8 years of spending during Bush's terms AND the first year of Obama's spending in order to get to their 88% figure. Check the math yourself.
4.) Obama's spending began in 2009 and runs to 2012. Obama is projected to increase spending by 25% over 2008 levels by the end of 2012. In comparison during Bush's first 4 years, he increased spending by 28% over spending levels of year 2000. If we are cursed with an 8 year Obama term, his projected spending will rise 50% over the spending levels in place in 2008.

Those are the facts. You can compare Bush's actual spending increase of 67% to Obama's projected spending increases of 50% and you can assign your own value to how much faith to put in the spending projections in this table, because projections are not real spending.

The real story here is 67% versus 50%, not 88% versus 7%.

Only ****ing morons believe anything that comes out of alternet.

I'm not even going to waste my time on the other two charts.
 
The second graph is all creative accounting in Obama's favor.
 
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