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25 Points of National Socialism

Joby said:
Because as evidenced to by your earlier posts, you can't make a decent response. Even when talking to the idiot, uneducated Nazis.

Your judgment on what a good post is, is astounding. Maybe I should beat up the Jews. Will change it for you?


Joby said:
You were stating how superior Americans were to Arabs. The only difference between you and a Nazi is that you'll make an alliance with the Jews now that they give us a strategic advantage.

I stated no such thing. This is just what you need to say to cover your own stated prejudices. My study involves civilizational and social studies. Civilizations are superior - individuals are not. I also don't live in a dream world full of hugs and kisses. I will ally myself with a Jew before I would ever ally myself with a Radical Islamist or a Nazi. It's shame you can't tell the difference and are unable to choose a side. I assure you that the sides aren't going away. It's also a shame that you have a need to lump all Arabs in with Radical Islamists. Our enemy is a culture, which is deeply diseased. It's really difficult to exactly delineate who our enemies are, but they number in millions. They're Arab and Muslim, but not every Arab is among them, and most Muslims are not.

You see, this is how an individual can become educated to the real world's problems without being obtuse enough to blame an entire race of people. You see, the problem is a civilization, not a race. How simple of you that you can't understand any of this.

Joby said:
Like Pre-1970 US.

Yep. I guess you were attempting to produce some intelligence with this? Let me help you. There are other common factors found among failing states and civilizations. What kept us on the progressive path to recognize our stagnation is the fact that our people are not governed by a single dogmatic religion, there are no restrictiopns on the free flow of information, we do not have the inability to accept responsibility for individual or collective failure, the extended family or "clan" is not the basic unit of social organization, we do not have a low valuation on education, and we do not have a low prestige assigned to work.

In cultures and civilizations where you find these things, you will find a self-prescribed failure. Thanks for the "pre-1970 US" comment, though. It was humerous. Ignorant, but humerous. Don't worry, we are all ignorant of things. I don't know my way around a motor.

Joby said:
You're right. Using bullets against civilians instead of swords makes it more humane. And, in this debate, I'll agree. Those browns have brought us down long enough.

.....I guess you had a point in here somewhere, but it was lost. I can only assume that you are comparing what may have happened in Haditha with the decades of attrocities inflicted my Radical Islamists and their terrorist. Or perhaps you were implying that there is no difference between a "soldier" detonating a bomb in a market square and a "soldeir" targetting the enemy where civilians get caught in the fire exchange.

More simplicity.
 
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Joby said:
Really? It took them that long?

Damn, my people did a better job in 12 years.

Hey, Volker, JamesRichards, still confused about this individual? Maybe Volker would like to clear this up too.:roll:

It just amazes me that people can be so proud about such a despicable act of monstrosity. I find that these types of individuals are merely passing on their passed down tradions of hatred and bigotry to compensate for personal inadequcies. The problem is that they are so stupid that they can't even recognize that this foolishness has no place in the 21st century. Most of them are just bitter that they were denied their "superiority" and now only have enough strength to reflect upon past "glory," which is bathed in blood, as they twist history to make themselves out to be "victims" as justifications. Arabs in the Middle East do this too.
 
Auftrag said:
Likewise.

You must mean people that actually rule the world. If you stop and actually try hard enough, you may be able to gain a little wisdom to notice what the leaders of the world are. They are progressive, live in civilizations that recognize individual's basic human rights (even though those rights allow for ignorant racists). They are not dictators, oppressors, or biggotted individuals just remining in power, by enforcing their "superiority."

Auftrag said:
That's called prejudice and it's exactly what you're accusing me of.

Accusing? You are what you are. Saying that a Nazis all have the same core senitmnets is hardly prejudice. Maybe that's why you have such trouble understanding yourself.:shrug:

Auftrag said:
You clearly have no idea what I am?

Hmmm.....anti-semitism...prejudices.....history revisionist.....a picture of Hitler......exonerating a genocide by claiming "victim"......Yeah, clearly I'm confused about you. It's my job to keep people like you under humanity's boot. That must drive you crazy. You're not too good at this are you?
 
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GySgt said:
Hey, Volker, JamesRichards, still confused about this individual? Maybe Volker would like to clear this up too.:roll:
Well, he cleared it up himself, something like that, in post #191.

Joby said:
Being a small part Italian I was actually refering to the years 70-82, when the Romans leveled Jerusalem and spread the Jews across Europe, killing 3,000,000 in the process-mostly by crucifixion.

What do you think Christmas was originally a celebration of?
 
Volker said:
Well, he cleared it up himself, something like that, in post #191.

Yeah I don't buy that at all. Seeing as the post he was referring to is very clearly about violence against Jews, his 2nd response just dosn't make sense. His first response does...but it's rather disgusting.
 
Kelzie said:
Yeah I don't buy that at all. Seeing as the post he was referring to is very clearly about violence against Jews, his 2nd response just dosn't make sense. His first response does...but it's rather disgusting.
It sounded strange and the explanation does not match my history books at all. Well, I'm rather cautious to tell a person, you meant this and that, because, how can I know it?
 
Volker said:
It sounded strange and the explanation does not match my history books at all. Well, I'm rather cautious to tell a person, you meant this and that, because, how can I know it?

Doesn't match my history books either. Which is why my explanation meant so much more sense. He obviously meant the Holocaust, but once he was berated for it, he switched to some oddly pieced together history.
 
Realmofthepureforms said:
This is a fact, and I will state is as clearly as possible. No nation in the history of the world, has ever survived a demographics change from the majority demographic which made the nation stable, to a new demographic from a completely different ethnic group without getting into a civil war, or one group outwrite slaughtering the other group in ethnic genocide

Before we can analyze whether this is relevant, the first thing we have to understand is whether there were other attendant factors involved. After wracking my brain for a few days, I am unable (for instance) to think of a single example of this happening where it wasn't also the case that the people of different ethnicity were foreign invaders.

So in order to understand whether race, as distinct from nationality, has anything to do with it, we'd need to find an instance where an already integrated ethnicity took over from a previous ethnicity. I'm afraid I can't think of one.

What I can do is think of instances where societies have integrated people of different ethnicities and then peacefully integrated them into positions of government as well. The United States, Canada, and several European countries have all done so in modern times. The Low Countries also seem to have done so during the Renaissance.

Realmofthepureforms said:
Do you in all honestly believe that forcing groups of people who have no common language, heritage, ethnic backround, and belief system together, is going to magically form a pot of happy content people?

No--you have to work at it a bit. However, once accomplished, then yes, there's a lot of benefit to integration.

Realmofthepureforms said:
It is a sociological FACT that human beings prefer to live amongst people who look and act as similarly as possible to themselves.

It is a sociological FACT that human beings will blame other ethnic groups for major crisis that occur within their country when they feel helpless. Remember the Japanese after Pearl Harbor and Arab-Americans getting death threats after 9/11? Those are reality. Your version is an illusion.

It is a historical fact that no nation has ever peacefully gone through a transition from the ethnic group that created the nation to another ethnic group taking power. You don't believe me? When the USSR collapsed the Russian population of the entire USSR just dropped below 50%. Same thing with Yugoslavia and Croatia.

This begs the question whether we ought to be satisfied with that, though. Yes, people prefer what is familiar to them. But this is a sort of complacency. It might be said that it's a sociological fact (just what distinguishes a sociological fact from a regular fact is something of a mystery, but let's not go there) that left without education, people are naturally barbarous. It could be said that it's a sociological fact that people, lacking any kind of training in skepticism, tend to be superstitious. It could be said that it's a sociological fact that, absent any moral or ethical education, people are naturally cruel and selfish. But we tend to see those "sociological facts" as being prime reasons to rise above those tendencies.

There are many forms of ignorance that are still with us. Why should one of those forms stand out as justification for its own continuation as policy? Had you said that it's a sociological fact that people prefer not to undergo the rigors necessary to learn math, and that therefore we ought not teach it, you'd obviously be an ***. Why is this question of race and integration any different? We have shown, via just about every avenue of inquiry that could possibly be imagined, that people of different races are much more alike than different. There are miniscule--if even that!--differences in terms of natural ability, intelligence, and humanity across races. That people of European descent have ruled the world for the past few centuries is an accident of environment, not ability. We have shown that the myths people hold dear are remarkably similar across cultures. It follows, then, that racism is similar in nature to a state of not knowing what numbers are--both are a state of ignorance.

auftrag said:
Being a National Socialist is not proof of my personality and if you attempt to formulate an argument based solely on suspiciouns about my personality that is regarded as an ad hominem attack...

Not really. We naturally tend to make judgements about people based on their behavior. If I see a man walk up to a child and with apparent volition he shoots that child in the head, killing him, I would be quite justified in thinking that he was a very dangerous, and very bad, man. If it happened that I was a prosecutor and I had him arrested, it would hardly be an ad hominem attack for me to label him as such in court.

Similarly, you openly admit to aligning yourself with a political party that draws inspriation from, and claims kinship with and inheritance from, a political party that perpetrated or commissioned to be perpetrated one of the greatest crimes of the 20th century. Your ideology led, in more conducive times, to the wholesale slaughter of a large number of completely innocent human beings. You are arguing (if so it could be called) a position which, if allowed ascendancy, would likely create the same circumstances again. It is not, therefore, an ad hominem attack to call you every kind of monster. I don't need to know you to make that judgement as only monsters would do what you have done and say what you have said.

Of course, dismissing your substantive claims on that same basis would be an ad hominem argument. But frankly, you've made very few substantive claims.

auftrag said:
One mans hate is another mans love, I suppose...

You can't actually believe this--if you did, you'd have no grounds for your stated beliefs.

auftrag said:
Why do you keep saying race as a defining word to charactorise human beings while at the same time attempting to assert that race doesn't exist?

When did I say that race doesn't exist? It clearly does--but I would assert it is of no real natural consequence, and therefore ought not be of moral, ethical, or political consequence.

auftrag said:
Your post is quite hefty, so I will reply in due course.

Surely a racial mutt such as myself hasn't made such a hefty post that it's driving a superior Teutonic type such as you to any actual effort?
 
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Kelzie said:
Doesn't match my history books either. Which is why my explanation meant so much more sense. He obviously meant the Holocaust, but once he was berated for it, he switched to some oddly pieced together history.

"Berated"...hehe.

I just can't stand people who think they are superior to others because of their skin tone or religion. History has produced so many wars between gods and the men that serve them. So many people have been enslaved over skin tone. So many people have died simpoly because they are from a different tribe or sect. Masking racism, stagnation, and ignorance behind words like religion, "psychology," and political parties is simple cowardice.

If they are going to be a racist declare it proudly. Don't try to exonerate it by mislabeling it.
 
GySgt said:
"Berated"...hehe.

I just can't stand people who think they are superior to others because of their skin tone or religion. History has produced so many wars between gods and the men that serve them. So many people have been enslaved over skin tone. So many people have died simpoly because they are from a different tribe or sect. Masking racism, stagnation, and ignorance behind words like religion, "psychology," and political parties is simple cowardice.

If they are going to be a racist declare it proudly. Don't try to exonerate it by mislabeling it.


Ok I've just about had it with your IGNORANCE. Since you mentioned psychology I assume you mean me. Do you even read anything before you respond? You call me a racist yet I grew up in a hispanic neighborhood. My best friend is hispanic, my wife is asian. You are ignorant and unable to handle reality. You are as ignorant as the racists. You lump eveyrone you disagree with as a racist without ever reading or understanding what they say. You think you are an expert on human behavior? You are in the military! I have a degree in human behavior! Yet you act like a friggin expert and accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being a racist. It's absolutely pathtic. I'm done with you. You are literally one of the ignorant people who refuse to debate anything based on logic and merit. You debate with emotion. You are the equal of a religious fanatic who will argue their version of truth to the bitter end no matter how much science is there to disprove them.

You sit ther and oppose proven science and accuse me of racist? I bet you are married to a white woman and all your friends are white. That's how people like you work. You attack anyone who disagrees with you as racist even though people like me just admit the scientific truth and yet still live our lives as normal human beings proving we aren't racist by the decisions we made in our lives.

Keep talking your brainless emotional ****. I haven't read anything by ashurbanipal but from his response to me I know enough to know at least he is smart enough to analyze other peoples words before he labels them nazis and racists. You make me sick.
 
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RealmOfThePureForms said:
Ok I've just about had it with your IGNORANCE. Since you mentioned psychology I assume you mean me. Do you even read anything before you respond? You call me a racist yet I grew up in a hispanic neighborhood. My best friend is hispanic, my wife is asian. You are ignorant and unable to handle reality. You are as ignorant as the racists. You lump eveyrone you disagree with as a racist without ever reading or understanding what they say. You think you are an expert on human behavior? You are in the military! I have a degree in human behavior! Yet you act like a friggin expert and accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being a racist. It's absolutely pathtic. I'm done with you. You are literally one of the ignorant people who refusse to debate anything based on logic and merit. You debate with emotion. You are the equal of a religious fanatic who will argue their version of truth to the bitter end no matter how much science is there to disprove them.

You sit ther and oppose proven science and accuse me of racist? I bet you are married to a white woman and all your friends are white. That's how people like you work. You attack anyone who disagrees with you as racist even though people like me just admit the scientific truth and yet still live our lives as normal human beings proving we aren't racist by the decisions we made in our lives.

Keep talking your brainless emotional ****. I haven't read anything by ashurbanipal but from his response to me I know enough to know at least he is smart enough to analyze other peoples words before he labels them nazis and racists. You make me sick.

Bwahahaha. Dry your tears, son. After all of your posts, this one in particular, you called me "emotional?" Haha. My side hurts.

I know exactly what you have been saying. But since you choose to align yourself with nazis, racists, and white supremacists as you spew it, you must accept the labels for yourself and be treated as such. Your "science" is no more than common sense. Not much to it. If this is what you studies, you wasted your time. It's the same "science" used by religious fanatics and Nazis alike. I see reality for what it is. You see it for what you want it to be. There is nothing "proven" about your so called science. The real study is in the civilizations....not the races. Your sense of reality, needs work. One day, when the campus wisdom falls to the side as life smacks you in the face and you begin to learn a few things for yourself, you will understand that most of what you learned from a few courses in College was a complete waste of time. One day, you'll learn the difference between a book and life. I believe Mein Kampf was a book too that preached on the "superiority" and "inferiority" of the races.

Love that you feel that you need to defend yourself though as you boast of personal achievements. Very emotional. I guess us military types have no education and no degrees..... What was that word you used?...oh yeah...ignorant.:cool:

Oh yeah. Be careful with your emboldened emotional outburts. Was that directed to another member, I would be obligated to exercise some duty.
 
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Doesn't match my history books either. Which is why my explanation meant so much more sense. He obviously meant the Holocaust, but once he was berated for it, he switched to some oddly pieced together history.

"Now as soon as the army had no more people to slay or to plunder, because there remained none to be the objects of their fury (for they would not have spared any, had there remained any other work to be done), [Titus] Caesar gave orders that they should now demolish the entire city and Temple, but should leave as many of the towers standing as were of the greatest eminence; that is, Phasaelus, and Hippicus, and Mariamne; and so much of the wall as enclosed the city on the west side. This wall was spared, in order to afford a camp for such as were to lie in garrison [in the Upper City], as were the towers [the three forts] also spared, in order to demonstrate to posterity what kind of city it was, and how well fortified, which the Roman valor had subdued; but for all the rest of the wall [surrounding Jerusalem], it was so thoroughly laid even with the ground by those that dug it up to the foundation, that there was left nothing to make those that came thither believe it [Jerusalem] had ever been inhabited. This was the end which Jerusalem came to by the madness of those that were for innovations; a city otherwise of great magnificence, and of mighty fame among all mankind. And truly, the very view itself was a melancholy thing; for those places which were adorned with trees and pleasant gardens, were now become desolate country every way, and its trees were all cut down. Nor could any foreigner that had formerly seen Judaea and the most beautiful suburbs of the city, and now saw it as a desert, but lament and mourn sadly at so great a change. For the war had laid all signs of beauty quite waste. Nor had anyone who had known the place before, had come on a sudden to it now, would he have known it again. But though he [a foreigner] were at the city itself, yet would he have inquired for it." --Josephus, the Jewish Historian

Others have commented that roads between galillee and Jerusalem were lined with crosses. The remaining 12 or so years were used to scatter the survivors, none of whom were from Jerusalem, across the Empire to prevent them from ever trying to undermine Caesar again.

This was when Israel officially ceased to exist.

"Berated"...hehe.

hehe

Before we can analyze whether this is relevant, the first thing we have to understand is whether there were other attendant factors involved. After wracking my brain for a few days, I am unable (for instance) to think of a single example of this happening where it wasn't also the case that the people of different ethnicity were foreign invaders.

The Austro-Hungarian Empire Hitler was born in.

It's the same "science" used by religious fanatics and Nazis alike

Are Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and pretty much every pope before 1500 (at least) included in that statement?

One day, when the campus wisdom falls to the side as life smacks you in the face and you begin to learn a few things for yourself, you will understand that most of what you learned from a few courses in College was a complete waste of time. One day, you'll learn the difference between a book and life

Absolutely. Perhaps we should burn all those books that lied to us?

I just can't stand people who think they are superior to others because of their skin tone or religion. History has produced so many wars between gods and the men that serve them.

We're all aware you're in the Marines

The United States, Canada, and several European countries have all done so in modern times.

Really? You see only white folks north of Denver.

Anyway, come back in 30 years when Spanish in the required language in schools.

 
Really? You see only white folks north of Denver.

I've seen all sorts of non-white folks north of Denver. Vancouver, B.C. (verifiably north of Denver) was about 50/50 white folks and non-white folks. Same for Portland, Oregon and Seattle, Washington. There are rumored to be quite a few non-white individuals in Detroit, which is also north of Denver, but I've never seen it with my own eyes. There are also non-white people in such northerly places as Minneapolis, Minnesota, Chicago, Illinois (in fact, don't they have a black Senator?), Anchorage, Alaska, New York City, New York, Boston, Massachussets, Cheyenne, Wyoming, and Toronto, Canada.

Anyway, come back in 30 years when Spanish in the required language in schools.

And this is supposed to argue for what? If more people here are speaking Spanish than English, then I would want to learn Spanish, and would want my children to learn Spanish.

In the meantime, your remarks are quite thin at this point--I have to assume you've thrown in the towel. If not, why not address the other points I made?
 
Joby said:
Are Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and pretty much every pope before 1500 (at least) included in that statement?

?! Um...we were on a topic of racism, but, while some are less extreme than others....absolutely. Now you are tapping into one of my study focuses. Aggressive Religious fanatics come in all religions and they all take on a "superior" illusion and pass it on to all who believe as they do. Now, the racist aspect comes from the individual and many fanatics wind up dipping their "pure" beliefs into the waters of racism. But men in religious power, generally wind up splintering themselves off into an twisted form of the original religion (Osama, Jim Brown of Harper's Ferry, Phillip II of Spain, Thomas Muntzer's blood baptism of Germany, etc). Throughout history, from the days of Jewish rebels against Rome and Islam’s early and recurrent fractures, through 16th-century Spanish Catholicism alarmed at the advent of alternate paths to salvation, to 19th-century Protestantism startled by Charles Darwin, religions under siege invariably have responded by returning to doctrinal rigor and insisting upon the damnation of nonbelievers. It would appear that during times of stress, despair and frustration, people become increasingly irrational, and they do things, which they never think they are capable of. And so we see hideous brutality perpetrated by the gentlest people. One of the fiercest civilizational breakdowns in history was in Europe in the early 16th century. Roman Catholicism began to break down into other faiths and a religious power struggle ensued. It was the crisis of faith and the loss of the certainty of salvation as a reward for traditional behaviors (and a new calculus for damnation) that catalyzed disparate, local movements with concrete grudges into a horde of impassionated killers chasing redemption with sword, scythes and torches.

Joby said:
Absolutely. Perhaps we should burn all those books that lied to us?

There's that Nazi sentiment again. I believe they burned books too. Text books are provided in formal schools and students are taught to look at things from a molded point of view. Without life experience, they are just words. I read a book on the Indonesian culture a month ago. I accompanied it with a reading of study that was created for The Center For Emerging Threats and Opportunities. Without visiting Indonesia, mingling with the culture, experiencing the many different forms of Islam and Hindu, shall I consider myself an expert from my books?

...no.

Joby said:
We're all aware you're in the Marines

Being as how I said nothing about the Marines and was talking about history's wars that are fueled by religion and their fanatics, I have no idea what this means. This is the second time you threw out a Marine comment. I guess you have a point or just an inferiority complex? :shrug:

Don't you have anything worth typing? Just mere rediculous insiginificant comments to everyone that make no sense?
 
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There are rumored to be quite a few non-white individuals in Detroit, which is also north of Denver, but I've never seen it with my own eyes.

Sorry, I meant in the West. In the East, just north of Detroit (like, north of the sloms, there is a large tone-down. I visited the area on thee way to Toronto because my aunt lives there, and driving through Detroit and then hitting the burbs was strange. On e minute, complete slums, the next white suburbia. (Outside of the pretend world that is this thread I 'm a socialist who didn't appreciate this fact)

Just caught this. What do you mean?

Adolf Hitler was born at the tail end of the Hapsburgs reign, and he believed that the mixture of races that had existed for centuries doomed the Empire. He especially remembered the Czechs, Slavs, and, of course, Jews doing nothing constructive. He did, however, monitor closely the tactics of the Social Democrat Party during this time, and picked up many of the strategies that would make him, arguably, the master politician of modern history (platform aside).

Being as how I said nothing about the Marines and was talking about history's wars that are fueled by religion and their fanatics, I have no idea what this means. This is the second time you threw out a Marine comment. I guess you have a point or just an inferiority complex?

My point was that many people, maybe even history, will judge your Commander in Chief as a Religous Fanatic who picked a fight with a sovereign nation for no real cause.

And this is supposed to argue for what? If more people here are speaking Spanish than English, then I would want to learn Spanish, and would want my children to learn Spanish.

When your children need to learn Spanish assimilation is no longer occurring. Then there may be large, ver large racial problems occuring after nothing more than a hiccup in the economy.
Anyway, I have only a thin understanding of what I'm debating, GySgt called it common sense and nothing more a few posts back, so I suggest having Auftrag answer your questions. Loooking back, I don't honestly see too many unanswered questions though.
 
GySgt said:
Bwahahaha. Dry your tears, son. After all of your posts, this one in particular, you called me "emotional?" Haha. My side hurts.

I know exactly what you have been saying. But since you choose to align yourself with nazis, racists, and white supremacists as you spew it, you must accept the labels for yourself and be treated as such. Your "science" is no more than common sense. Not much to it. If this is what you studies, you wasted your time. It's the same "science" used by religious fanatics and Nazis alike. I see reality for what it is. You see it for what you want it to be. There is nothing "proven" about your so called science. The real study is in the civilizations....not the races. Your sense of reality, needs work. One day, when the campus wisdom falls to the side as life smacks you in the face and you begin to learn a few things for yourself, you will understand that most of what you learned from a few courses in College was a complete waste of time. One day, you'll learn the difference between a book and life. I believe Mein Kampf was a book too that preached on the "superiority" and "inferiority" of the races.

Love that you feel that you need to defend yourself though as you boast of personal achievements. Very emotional. I guess us military types have no education and no degrees..... What was that word you used?...oh yeah...ignorant.:cool:

Oh yeah. Be careful with your emboldened emotional outburts. Was that directed to another member, I would be obligated to exercise some duty.

Oh I choose to align myself with nazis and racists? Please show me where I "aligned" myself with nazis and racists. I never said anything about races being superior or inferior anywhere in my posts on this entire website. So here is the deal, either you stop falsely labeling me a racist, or I am going to go to a Mod higher than you and contact them about your defamation of my character since you seem to have a "handicap" when it comes to distinguishing other peoples views. (You act just like the racists EXACTLY like them, lumping everyone you disagree with into the catagory of nazi and racist just like they lump everyone who is not like them as inferior).

You can try and trivialize everything I said. That is the beauty of being in a poltical forum and not in a live debate where someone else can tell you how full of **** you really are. In a place like this, someone like you can just make stuff up on and on forever and other people will believe its true. You disregard all the studies on social behavior and human tendencies and live in your own little fantasy land of lies.

You actively avoid answering any of factual occurances that took place in our previous history including the Mexican deportation, Japanese American imprisonment, and Arab American death threats, because they do not fit with your fantasy world.

You cannot refute the facts, you can only trivialize them and try to ignore them because you are on an anonymous website with nobody to oversee and judge the truth of your content. If we were debating face to face with a group of people checking the accuracy of our statements, you would be forced to admit the things I have stated as truth and either refute them outright or except defeat in your debate. But here, you can go on and on forever making things up and avoiding answering anything you want. This ensures you will always be right in your own mind.

You think because I am in college that I haven't lived in the real world? Part of your little military ego that all college types are "living in books" while you mr. big bad military man is the only one who has lived "outside the books". Maybe you should take a little bit of your own advice. I'm sorry but learning about human social behavior is a mental task. It doesn't involve shooting people to be considered the "real world". I know you have no experience in psychology/sociology because anyone with even basic knowledge on either would immediately admit without any arguement that human beings prefer to live amongst their own ethnic group. I'm done with you, talking to you is like a dog chasing his tail. You could never win in a real life debate, not even a chance. Your blind idealism hasn't got a fact to stand on and you just proved it when you couldn't refute anything I said to you in the past 3 posts.
 
GySgt said:
They [leaders of the world] are progressive, live in civilizations that recognize individual's basic human rights (even though those rights allow for ignorant racists).

:lol:

You Americans are so funny.

They are not dictators, oppressors, or biggotted individuals just remining in power, by enforcing their "superiority."

At least they aren't in the public eye. I'm sure George Bush champions human rights in his rhetoric. I suppose it was human rights he had in mind when re refused to resign the UN torture convention or be apart of the International Criminal Court.

I understand that you're a soldier, and you have taken an oath to defend your country and its principles no matter what. For that, I can respect you. But you are taught to kill not to think.

Accusing? You are what you are. Saying that a Nazis all have the same core senitmnets is hardly prejudice. Maybe that's why you have such trouble understanding yourself.:shrug:

You claimed that because you know one Nazi you know them all. That's clearly not the case as Classical National Socialism differs greatly to contemporary National Socialism. If you researched the ideology you would see that, but in fact you rely on your prejudice to understand me.

Hmmm.....anti-semitism...prejudices.....history revisionist.....a picture of Hitler......exonerating a genocide by claiming "victim"......Yeah, clearly I'm confused about you.

I haven't revised any history and I would still like you to show me where exactly that has happened.

As for the rest of my beliefs you have no idea what they are. You haven't asked me and you're not really interested. If you want me to clarify a position then ask me and I will gladly do so.

So far you've made spurious statements and made ad hominem attacks.

It's my job to keep people like you under humanity's boot. That must drive you crazy.

Yes, I'm livid with frustration.

You're not too good at this are you?

At what exactly?
 
ashurbanipal said:
You can't actually believe this--if you did, you'd have no grounds for your stated beliefs.

What on earth are you talking about...?

I do not hate jews, I see them as an enemy to the people that I love. My desire to see them destoryed is an act of love for my people. Of course I don't expect you to understand that, but so be it...

When did I say that race doesn't exist? It clearly does--but I would assert it is of no real natural consequence, and therefore ought not be of moral, ethical, or political consequence.

And that's clearly a matter of opinion. But I am glad we can both agree that race does in fact exist.

Surely a racial mutt such as myself hasn't made such a hefty post that it's driving a superior Teutonic type such as you to any actual effort?

As I have said, race has nothing to do with intelligence. I don't know what your ethnicity is, but you're clearly a clever person.
 
RealmOfThePureForms said:
Oh I choose to align myself with nazis and racists? Please show me where I "aligned" myself with nazis and racists. I never said anything about races being superior or inferior anywhere in my posts on this entire website. So here is the deal, either you stop falsely labeling me a racist, or I am going to go to a Mod higher than you and contact them about your defamation of my character since you seem to have a "handicap" when it comes to distinguishing other peoples views.

Hmmm....this is too easy. Thanks for the set up. Basically we have....

"Auftrag"
Auftrag said:
I'm ready to refute your liberal jewish nonsense
Auftrag said:
I am a racist because I believe in the differnation between races.
Auftrag said:
Anyone who is not an Aryan will not be permitted to be a citizen of the nation and therefore subject to laws regarding aliens, and dealt with accordingly.
Auftrag said:
what the German people needed was to pound their oppressors into the ground and destroy them from the face of the earth.



"RealmOfThePureForms"
RealmOfThePureForms said:
I'm a white nationalist
RealmOfThePureForms said:
just because every other group of jealous of the fact that their own cultures are inferior to Euro-ethnic cultures
RealmOfThePureForms said:
It is time that Euro-ethnic countries like the United States are allowed to seal our borders and remove the threat of any other ethnic group from taking over our political institutions and running our stable society into the dirt as they have done for practically all of their own nations.
RealmOfThePureForms said:
Their (blacks) culture is simply inferior to Euro-ethnic cultures.

"Joby"
Joby said:
It's just too bad the Aryan shows mercy.
Joby said:
uhhh, yeah......except for that relative period of peace between _(when Islam was created exactly) and the 1930s when they began to take muslim land...
Joby said:
Really? It took them that long? Damn, my people did a better job in 12 years.
Joby said:
Those browns have brought us down long enough.

Responses to my accusations of what you people obviously are brought....

Auftrag said:
You clearly have no idea what I am

RealmOfThePureForms said:
My best friend is hispanic, my wife is asian.

Apparantly, Joby is the only honest one among you. *News flash....you "choose to align yourself with nazis and racists"...You have cleared typed on the "superiority or inferiority" of the races. There are many men who are homosexuals, yet have wives. This doesn't make them any less homosexual. Nor does marrying a non-white make you any less a racist. Also, speaking in generalities, Asian women are of a submissive culture (I grew up in Asia). It is fitting that a supremicist be wed to one.

There is nothing to your points that any individual with common sense should know. There is no real study necessary. You produced no wisdom and no points worth replying too. Mostly it has just been you stating the obvious, campaigning on it like it is some sort of reachable "plateau," and then defending yourself as a non-racist. There is no denying that the third world is made up of brown and black people. There is no denying that cultures and races prefer to be around their own cultures and races. After stating the obvious....now what? Are you assuming a mission to make it so or simply going to whine and complain about the very thing that people in history have used to start wars? It's nonesense.

Besides all of this, what happened to....
RealmOfThePureForms said:
I'm done with you.
:shrug:

Go ahead and keep to your deal racist. Tattle tell and see if any other Mod will entertain your internal confusions as if they haven't been following along with this thread anyway. I have not abused any mod power, despite the fact that you have given cause for me to exercise my duties with your Post# 210. I have simply debated your rediculous dreams of a "Realm of the Pure form." You've exposed your character to the public all on your own and I have simply displayed them in a neat little package for all to see. Maybe you've learned something here about yourself.
 
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Joby said:
My point was that many people, maybe even history, will judge your Commander in Chief as a Religous Fanatic who picked a fight with a sovereign nation for no real cause.

....and? What does this have to do with me or the Marines? Radical Islam has been gaining strength for two decades. It is going to get worse. When it does, people will look back and see where the West recognized it and stepped in. They will also recognize where the core countries of "Old Europe" cringed beneath their beds.

I could care less how we got there. You know the difference between our involvement in Iraq and Germany and Italy's involvement throughout Europe was? - We're not looking for domination, ethnic cleaning, or religious persecution. Do you know the difference between our involvement in Bosnia and Europe's involvement was? - When we showed up, yet again to your continent, European countries were still deliberating on what to do.

History always shows the general truth. Only points of view bring the slight interpretations.

Joby said:
When your children need to learn Spanish assimilation is no longer occurring. Then there may be large, ver large racial problems occuring after nothing more than a hiccup in the economy.
Anyway, I have only a thin understanding of what I'm debating, GySgt called it common sense and nothing more a few posts back, so I suggest having Auftrag answer your questions. Loooking back, I don't honestly see too many unanswered questions though.

Common sense...

- Races do not naturally assimilate to each other.
- Most of the wars in history have been between cultures.
- The third world is made up mostly brown or black people.

Facts...

- The white and Arabic world enslaved the third world on massive scales.
- "Old Europe" colonized and raped the resources of the third world producing such places like Vietnam, Somalia, Haiti, South Africa, India, Pakistan, etc.
- There is no such thing as a "black" country, "white" country, "brown" country, in the 21st century.
- There is no such place as a Euros only" region, "Muslims only" region, or "Asians only" region in the 21st century.



These dreams and fantasies of "pure" races is a waste of time. So is studying a notion that will never be realized. The study that is worth anyhitng is in the civilizations. Diversity and assimilation is present day and the future. Fighting this inevitable truth is part of why we see so much conflict around the world today. People are trying their damnest to maintain old orders that simply will no longer work. Progress very much means the liberalization of the world. All those ultra cons - racists, white supremists, religious fanatics, dictators, self-appointed executioners of god - are mere clingers of the past and of unreachable dreams.
 
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Auftrag said:
I understand that you're a soldier, and you have taken an oath to defend your country and its principles no matter what. For that, I can respect you. But you are taught to kill not to think.

Actually, a high percentage of us have College Degrees. All Officers do, and quite a number of Enlisteds. Some of us continue to work on higher levels of education.

The notion that "soldiers" are taught to kill and not to think is extremely ignorant. But this sentiment is common amongst people who have no experience at real world activity and have needs to soothe an inferiority complex, so it never bothers me. One of the biggest learning advantages that Marines have is our instruction into the cultures we are involved in. Currently the Persian culture is a topic of instruction. Then there are many of us who have an uncanny ability to understand the psychology of terrorists and their environments. I firmly believe that only first-hand experience of the world beyond our individual shores allows us to make intelligent judgments about issues of war and peace. Who do you think is the major contributers to The Center For Emerging Threats and Opportunities? Who do you think wrote the essays and case studies into Radical Islam that was largely ignored all the way up to 9/11? Who do you think makes up the think tank that your government pats so close attention to? Must be all those non-thinking killers in uniform.

But this is what Nazis, religious fanatics, and racists do. They desperately need to pretend to themselves that they are superior to anything.


Auftrag said:
You claimed that because you know one Nazi you know them all. That's clearly not the case as Classical National Socialism differs greatly to contemporary National Socialism. If you researched the ideology you would see that, but in fact you rely on your prejudice to understand me.

Like I said...at the heart of every Nazi, racist, white supremecist, Radical Islamist, terrorist, and religious nut-case is the same black soul. Adhereing to specialty political parties doesn't change a thing.


Auftrag said:
I haven't revised any history and I would still like you to show me where exactly that has happened.

Sure you have. Your kind always do. You take from history and distrot to show victimhood as some sort of exoneration for despicable acts. Another way to say it ios that you seem so embarrassed by your history, you need to revise it to show that you were merely protecting yourself from the big bad Jew. You speak of German poverty, and them imply that Jews kept your kind down. You speak of Hitler, yet twist his actions to appear just.

Revisionist history. Of course, my education came from the nation that crapped all over Naziism and yourslef came from the crapped on, so this is why we have different views on what happened. I will continue to adhere to what the majority of the world subscribes to (even Germans).


Auftrag said:
Yes, I'm livid with frustration.

Well, you shouldn't be. Life is too short. Perhaps dropping the "superiority" act and living in the real diverse and culturally mixed world with the rest of us might help. It's the clingers to past "glories" and "myth" that stagnate the world.
 
Whenever you're ready to debate with me on some specific positions of mine or of National Socialism, I will be happy to oblige.
 
What on earth are you talking about...?

You said that one man's hate is another man's love. If you loved all races equally, your political position would change. You claim to be of a superior race, and apparently you mean this in an absolute sense--i.e. that your racial superiority does not depend on point of view or opinion. But if that is so, then how is it possible for other races to love their race, and not yours? More to the point, how is it possible for someone such as me to love all races equally, and have an equal appreciation for them all? It seems to follow that the question of superiority is relative in much the same way as color preference and musical taste are relative.

I do not hate jews, I see them as an enemy to the people that I love. My desire to see them destoryed is an act of love for my people. Of course I don't expect you to understand that, but so be it...

No, I understand it--at least from an external point of view. I can imagine if someone were trying to kill my daughter, I probably wouldn't hate them, but I'd certainly kill them. But what you're talking about is different in that it's fairly clear you've got your facts wrong. I don't specifically know what you believe here, but you've given some indication that you believe roughly what Hitler did. As I studied Hitler, it became evident to me that he literally did believe there was a grand global conspiracy between the Jews (mainly) and the Bolsheviks to utterly impoverish and enslave the German people.

Now, that's an assertion that ought to be verifiable. We can imagine certain circumstances in which we could make a set of observations that would either confirm or disconfirm that hypothesis (I use the term loosely). Those circumstances and observations have come about and been made literally millions of times, and the weight of the evidence strongly disconfirms that hypothesis. Yet in spite of this, astoundingly, people such as you persist in believing what you do.

When the Einsatzgruppen began operating in Poland, Czechoslovakia, etc. and then later in the Soviet Union, when they pulled Jews from their homes, shot them, and confiscated their valuables, where was the evidence that there was a conspiracy? There should have been some kind of evidence, some documents, a series of communiques, something that would indicate that these people--i.e. the ones about to be murdered--were involved in this conspiracy. Despite the obviousness of this, I never once read anything in the diaries or correspondence of the Einsatzgruppen that they found anything of the sort.

We might expect to find a profligate money trail leading to a cabal of Jews being leveraged against German stocks or other investment vehicles. While we might not think it surprising that the Jews don't invest heavily in German industry anymore, I have never seen anyone of your political bent submit a single solid analysis showing there to be a conspiracy. The only really vast and insidious economic conspiracy of which I am aware is right out in the open, and it was started by a group of Americans led by Clark Clifford in 1947. Clifford was a Protestant, IIRC.

We'd need to see, in any such analysis, only a few things that wouldn't be terribly difficult to prove:

1) That most of the world's Jews were knowingly invested in the scheme.

2) That the money flowed into a fund or series of funds that was being directed against German industry and business in one or more ways.

3) That, once the details are examined, no mitigating circumstances are found.

We might expect to see some effect from this supposed conspiracy. As it happens now, the German economy seems to be humming along smoothly. There don't appear to be any impending crises that would specifically affect Germany or the other Nordic countries. Even during the hyperinflation that occurred at the end of the Weimar Republic, the quite proximal cause of the Versailles Reparations seems to be the primary culprit. If it were some kind of conspiracy, especially one that you ought to be worried about, you'd expect to see the same thing happening again.

In point of fact, we are headed for a global economic meltdown, but it's not the Jews--or any one ethnic group--that are to blame. A combination of natural factors such as the impending peak in global oil production, climate change, topsoil errosion, aquifer depletion, and peaks in the production of other commodities are the primary culprits (which really means that we are all to blame). In the face of this, the central banks of the world, and the large transnational corporations, have partnered up in an attempt to loot the various economies of the world for all they're worth. But again, that's hardly because the Jews and the Bolsheviks are telling them to do so. Most of the people in charge of those institutions at least profess to be Christian.

And that's clearly a matter of opinion. But I am glad we can both agree that race does in fact exist.

1) Race clearly does exist--that's just our word for distinguishing groups sharing certain superficial characteristics. I can't look at a person and fail to notice their skin tone or other pronounced details of their appearance. The question is whether that, in turn, tells me anything of import about them. In my experience, it does not.

2) It's opinion only insofar as anything is ultimately an opinion. But where it is possible to take the measure of people's natural ability, inclination, and humanity, it turns out not to be the case that one race is really better than another. There are different cultures that, at this point in history, line up along racial lines. But given the foundation of simple biology, that's hardly surprising. What is also not surprising, but is completely damning to your case, is that there are many similarities between cultures that seem undeniable.

As I have said, race has nothing to do with intelligence. I don't know what your ethnicity is, but you're clearly a clever person.

I'd be the first to admit that intelligence is vastly over-rated in today's world. But I've never gotten a good "fix" on what you mean by superiority. You've made some references to culture, to aesthetics, etc. but they've been rather vague. Perhaps you could expound a little on just what you mean.
 
Sorry, I meant in the West.

Vancouver, Portland, Seattle, Anchorage are all in the west. At least, farther West than Detroit.

Adolf Hitler was born at the tail end of the Hapsburgs reign, and he believed that the mixture of races that had existed for centuries doomed the Empire. He especially remembered the Czechs, Slavs, and, of course, Jews doing nothing constructive. He did, however, monitor closely the tactics of the Social Democrat Party during this time, and picked up many of the strategies that would make him, arguably, the master politician of modern history (platform aside).

When Hitler became Chancellor, no one saw him as being of different ethnicity than those previously in power. Hindenberg and Hitler had the same "Germanity" level.

When your children need to learn Spanish assimilation is no longer occurring. Then there may be large, ver large racial problems occuring after nothing more than a hiccup in the economy.

I agree, but again so what? My children have to learn Spanish right bloody now, and I'm entirely happy about it. I have some Hispanic neighbors who are quite nice folks, and some Vietnamese neighbors with whom I share different gardening tips. We get along just fine. In some sort of crisis, I expect I would help them and they would help me. That's how humanity ought to work.
 
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