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Here are my very basic thoughts on the 2020 race so far.
- Elizabeth Warren- older woman adapting Bernie Sanders talking points/ Holding Trump accountable
- Kirsten Gillibrand- Middle age woman, NY Senator, working class platform
- Sen. Cory Booker- single middle aged African American man, 420 platform, Is he still Spartacus?
- Kamala Harris- African American Woman, biggest glass ceiling ever, prosecutor, most impressive media blitz/campaign speech so far.
- Julián Castro- Latino male. Southwest. my dark horse candidate.
- Tulsi Gabbard- Hawaiian. Hindu. But campaign is a mess
- Pete Buttigieg- Married Gay Man. Youngest candidate. Message geared towards Millennials. Future leader of Democratic Party. VP/Whip?
There's something to be impressed about with each candidate that has officially entered the race in 2020. Each candidate brings something new and different and fresh to the table. And most importantly, according to all the polls, each one can beat Trump.
But what astounds me is that there are NO old straight white guys in the race yet. And in fact, another crazy billionaire (Schultz) has made the other old white guys take notice in their own party that maybe this should be the make-up of the race. A makeup that more represents our country than a bunch of old white guys talking about things that are out of touch with the majority of Americans.
I'm really proud of the lineup at this point in time and would be very angry with the Republicans who don't even seem to want anybody to attempt to primary Trump.
Maybe Conservatives would be less angry if they joined our party??? :mrgreen:eace
1. I don't believe anything Tulsi Gabbard says, her background is horrifying.
It's not that I am gay, I'm straight, but her celebrated work on anti-gay measures lingers and her father's ultra-Right background and weird mixture of Hare Krishna gives me the heebie jeebies.
Iran is a bad actor, everyone knows, but it was in compliance with the terms of the Iran Deal, nevertheless Ms. Gabbard couldn't wait to applaud a pullout. Now there's no deal, therefore no need for compliance.
2. Cory Booker is big on heavy handed law enforcement and loves to protect Big Pharma drug price extortion, no thanks.
3. Pete Buttigieg might be great but he can't win, sorry.
4. I'll never ever forgive Kirsten Gillibrand for supporting the Roger Stone setup of Al Franken, because that is what it was.
5. Liz Warren - Excellent positions, lousy candidate, gets mixed up in the very kind of tar baby rhetorical nonsense Trump loves to dish out. She'll spend 90 percent of her time battling empty BS and lose, because you cannot out-BS a BS master.
6. Julian Castro - ?? I just don't know enough...yet. It would be hilarious to have "President Castro" though...a Democrat.
7. Kamala Harris - She might just do it.
8. Sherrod Brown, watch this space. He is definitely growing on me. He'll grow on a lot of you, too.
Here are my very basic thoughts on the 2020 race so far.
- Elizabeth Warren- older woman adapting Bernie Sanders talking points/ Holding Trump accountable
- Kirsten Gillibrand- Middle age woman, NY Senator, working class platform
- Sen. Cory Booker- single middle aged African American man, 420 platform, Is he still Spartacus?
- Kamala Harris- African American Woman, biggest glass ceiling ever, prosecutor, most impressive media blitz/campaign speech so far.
- Julián Castro- Latino male. Southwest. my dark horse candidate.
- Tulsi Gabbard- Hawaiian. Hindu. But campaign is a mess
- Pete Buttigieg- Married Gay Man. Youngest candidate. Message geared towards Millennials. Future leader of Democratic Party. VP/Whip?
There's something to be impressed about with each candidate that has officially entered the race in 2020. Each candidate brings something new and different and fresh to the table. And most importantly, according to all the polls, each one can beat Trump.
But what astounds me is that there are NO old straight white guys in the race yet. And in fact, another crazy billionaire (Schultz) has made the other old white guys take notice in their own party that maybe this should be the make-up of the race. A makeup that more represents our country than a bunch of old white guys talking about things that are out of touch with the majority of Americans.
I'm really proud of the lineup at this point in time and would be very angry with the Republicans who don't even seem to want anybody to attempt to primary Trump.
Maybe Conservatives would be less angry if they joined our party??? :mrgreen:eace
I really like Buttigieg's message. He's on point and has a lot of new ideas my generation will like. I hope he has some breakout moments, but he's running a stealth campaign on Instagram/twitter which is already more popular than Gabbard pitiful social media attempt fueled by Russians.
Here are my very basic thoughts on the 2020 race so far.
- Elizabeth Warren- older woman adapting Bernie Sanders talking points/ Holding Trump accountable
- Kirsten Gillibrand- Middle age woman, NY Senator, working class platform
- Sen. Cory Booker- single middle aged African American man, 420 platform, Is he still Spartacus?
- Kamala Harris- African American Woman, biggest glass ceiling ever, prosecutor, most impressive media blitz/campaign speech so far.
- Julián Castro- Latino male. Southwest. my dark horse candidate.
- Tulsi Gabbard- Hawaiian. Hindu. But campaign is a mess
- Pete Buttigieg- Married Gay Man. Youngest candidate. Message geared towards Millennials. Future leader of Democratic Party. VP/Whip?
There's something to be impressed about with each candidate that has officially entered the race in 2020. Each candidate brings something new and different and fresh to the table. And most importantly, according to all the polls, each one can beat Trump.
But what astounds me is that there are NO old straight white guys in the race yet. And in fact, another crazy billionaire (Schultz) has made the other old white guys take notice in their own party that maybe this should be the make-up of the race. A makeup that more represents our country than a bunch of old white guys talking about things that are out of touch with the majority of Americans.
I'm really proud of the lineup at this point in time and would be very angry with the Republicans who don't even seem to want anybody to attempt to primary Trump.
Maybe Conservatives would be less angry if they joined our party??? :mrgreen:eace
Here are my very basic thoughts on the 2020 race so far.
- Elizabeth Warren- older woman adapting Bernie Sanders talking points/ Holding Trump accountable
- Kirsten Gillibrand- Middle age woman, NY Senator, working class platform
- Sen. Cory Booker- single middle aged African American man, 420 platform, Is he still Spartacus?
- Kamala Harris- African American Woman, biggest glass ceiling ever, prosecutor, most impressive media blitz/campaign speech so far.
- Julián Castro- Latino male. Southwest. my dark horse candidate.
- Tulsi Gabbard- Hawaiian. Hindu. But campaign is a mess
- Pete Buttigieg- Married Gay Man. Youngest candidate. Message geared towards Millennials. Future leader of Democratic Party. VP/Whip?
There's something to be impressed about with each candidate that has officially entered the race in 2020. Each candidate brings something new and different and fresh to the table. And most importantly, according to all the polls, each one can beat Trump.
But what astounds me is that there are NO old straight white guys in the race yet. And in fact, another crazy billionaire (Schultz) has made the other old white guys take notice in their own party that maybe this should be the make-up of the race. A makeup that more represents our country than a bunch of old white guys talking about things that are out of touch with the majority of Americans.
I'm really proud of the lineup at this point in time and would be very angry with the Republicans who don't even seem to want anybody to attempt to primary Trump.
Maybe Conservatives would be less angry if they joined our party??? :mrgreen:eace
1. I don't believe anything Tulsi Gabbard says, her background is horrifying.
It's not that I am gay, I'm straight, but her celebrated work on anti-gay measures lingers and her father's ultra-Right background and weird mixture of Hare Krishna gives me the heebie jeebies.
Iran is a bad actor, everyone knows, but it was in compliance with the terms of the Iran Deal, nevertheless Ms. Gabbard couldn't wait to applaud a pullout. Now there's no deal, therefore no need for compliance.
2. Cory Booker is big on heavy handed law enforcement and loves to protect Big Pharma drug price extortion, no thanks.
3. Pete Buttigieg might be great but he can't win, sorry.
4. I'll never ever forgive Kirsten Gillibrand for supporting the Roger Stone setup of Al Franken, because that is what it was.
5. Liz Warren - Excellent positions, lousy candidate, gets mixed up in the very kind of tar baby rhetorical nonsense Trump loves to dish out. She'll spend 90 percent of her time battling empty BS and lose, because you cannot out-BS a BS master.
6. Julian Castro - ?? I just don't know enough...yet. It would be hilarious to have "President Castro" though...a Democrat.
7. Kamala Harris - She might just do it.
8. Sherrod Brown, watch this space. He is definitely growing on me. He'll grow on a lot of you, too.
Here are my very basic thoughts on the 2020 race so far.
1. I don't believe anything Tulsi Gabbard says, her background is horrifying.
It's not that I am gay, I'm straight, but her celebrated work on anti-gay measures lingers and her father's ultra-Right background and weird mixture of Hare Krishna gives me the heebie jeebies.
Iran is a bad actor, everyone knows, but it was in compliance with the terms of the Iran Deal, nevertheless Ms. Gabbard couldn't wait to applaud a pullout. Now there's no deal, therefore no need for compliance.
7. Kamala Harris - She might just do it.
You should stop buying into the smear campaign against her and actually look at what she has done. She is a part of the LBGT equality caucus and a perfect voting record in regards to protecting the rights of LBGT people.
Edit: Tell me, who do you believe more: Someone like Obama or Hillary who flipped due to the rising popularity of the position, or someone that changed their position due to witnessing first hand the type of oppression caused under a theocratic regime? If anything I would have more faith in Tulsi than the majority of politicians out there on this issue.
Here are my very basic thoughts on the 2020 race so far.
- Elizabeth Warren- older woman adapting Bernie Sanders talking points/ Holding Trump accountable
- Kirsten Gillibrand- Middle age woman, NY Senator, working class platform
- Sen. Cory Booker- single middle aged African American man, 420 platform, Is he still Spartacus?
- Kamala Harris- African American Woman, biggest glass ceiling ever, prosecutor, most impressive media blitz/campaign speech so far.
- Julián Castro- Latino male. Southwest. my dark horse candidate.
- Tulsi Gabbard- Hawaiian. Hindu. But campaign is a mess
- Pete Buttigieg- Married Gay Man. Youngest candidate. Message geared towards Millennials. Future leader of Democratic Party. VP/Whip?
There's something to be impressed about with each candidate that has officially entered the race in 2020. Each candidate brings something new and different and fresh to the table. And most importantly, according to all the polls, each one can beat Trump.
But what astounds me is that there are NO old straight white guys in the race yet. And in fact, another crazy billionaire (Schultz) has made the other old white guys take notice in their own party that maybe this should be the make-up of the race. A makeup that more represents our country than a bunch of old white guys talking about things that are out of touch with the majority of Americans.
I'm really proud of the lineup at this point in time and would be very angry with the Republicans who don't even seem to want anybody to attempt to primary Trump.
Maybe Conservatives would be less angry if they joined our party??? :mrgreen:eace
Policy is and should be of foremost and primary importance, not race, gender or sexual orientation, though diversity is certainly a nice thing to have all else being equal.
That said, definitely more than a bit mystified by many of the contents of that list, particularly the idea of Gillibrand having a 'working class platform' in particular vs other Dem prospectives (I don't see anything that especially stands out), Kamala's very mixed and checkered history at best as a prosecutor, and the assertion that Tulsi's campaign is 'a mess' (based on what? It hasn't even really begun), nevermind the dismissive write off of Warren as a candidate predicated on Bernie talking points; agreeing with someone on policy doesn't make you a talking point parrot, just so we're clear.
Also more than a tad mystified by this; so to be clear, you're willing to forgive Kamala's significant and disgusting past indiscretions as prosecutor (which she hasn't really atoned for) while holding Gabbard's anti-gay past above her very pro-gay contemporary voting record?
My staunch disagreements with you on Bernie and his chances have been repeatedly established.
On the plus side, I agree with you on Sherrod Brown; he's a good man and would make a fine candidate I wouldn't mind supporting should he become nominee.
Here are my very basic thoughts on the 2020 race so far.
- Elizabeth Warren- older woman adapting Bernie Sanders talking points/ Holding Trump accountable
- Kirsten Gillibrand- Middle age woman, NY Senator, working class platform
- Sen. Cory Booker- single middle aged African American man, 420 platform, Is he still Spartacus?
- Kamala Harris- African American Woman, biggest glass ceiling ever, prosecutor, most impressive media blitz/campaign speech so far.
- Julián Castro- Latino male. Southwest. my dark horse candidate.
- Tulsi Gabbard- Hawaiian. Hindu. But campaign is a mess
- Pete Buttigieg- Married Gay Man. Youngest candidate. Message geared towards Millennials. Future leader of Democratic Party. VP/Whip?
There's something to be impressed about with each candidate that has officially entered the race in 2020. Each candidate brings something new and different and fresh to the table. And most importantly, according to all the polls, each one can beat Trump.
But what astounds me is that there are NO old straight white guys in the race yet. And in fact, another crazy billionaire (Schultz) has made the other old white guys take notice in their own party that maybe this should be the make-up of the race. A makeup that more represents our country than a bunch of old white guys talking about things that are out of touch with the majority of Americans.
I'm really proud of the lineup at this point in time and would be very angry with the Republicans who don't even seem to want anybody to attempt to primary Trump.
Maybe Conservatives would be less angry if they joined our party??? :mrgreen:eace
Here are my very basic thoughts on the 2020 race so far.
- Elizabeth Warren- older woman adapting Bernie Sanders talking points/ Holding Trump accountable
- Kirsten Gillibrand- Middle age woman, NY Senator, working class platform
- Sen. Cory Booker- single middle aged African American man, 420 platform, Is he still Spartacus?
- Kamala Harris- African American Woman, biggest glass ceiling ever, prosecutor, most impressive media blitz/campaign speech so far.
- Julián Castro- Latino male. Southwest. my dark horse candidate.
- Tulsi Gabbard- Hawaiian. Hindu. But campaign is a mess
- Pete Buttigieg- Married Gay Man. Youngest candidate. Message geared towards Millennials. Future leader of Democratic Party. VP/Whip?
There's something to be impressed about with each candidate that has officially entered the race in 2020. Each candidate brings something new and different and fresh to the table. And most importantly, according to all the polls, each one can beat Trump.
But what astounds me is that there are NO old straight white guys in the race yet. And in fact, another crazy billionaire (Schultz) has made the other old white guys take notice in their own party that maybe this should be the make-up of the race. A makeup that more represents our country than a bunch of old white guys talking about things that are out of touch with the majority of Americans.
I'm really proud of the lineup at this point in time and would be very angry with the Republicans who don't even seem to want anybody to attempt to primary Trump.
Maybe Conservatives would be less angry if they joined our party??? :mrgreen:eace
Here's the problem with "your party." They want diversity over merit because someone's genetic background somehow makes them more qualified than an "undesirable" white male with merited experiences? I'll vote for the best candidate, which at this time does not appear to be anyone in the Democrat party.
A group of people with various genders and races walking in lock step to exactly the same tune all repeating one mindless mantra:
We hate!
This passes for diversity in the minds of the Liberal mind.
Interesting...
Here's the problem with "your party." They want diversity over merit because someone's genetic background somehow makes them more qualified than an "undesirable" white male with merited experiences? I'll vote for the best candidate, which at this time does not appear to be anyone in the Democrat party.
Here are my very basic thoughts on the 2020 race so far.
- Elizabeth Warren- older woman adapting Bernie Sanders talking points/ Holding Trump accountable
- Kirsten Gillibrand- Middle age woman, NY Senator, working class platform
- Sen. Cory Booker- single middle aged African American man, 420 platform, Is he still Spartacus?
- Kamala Harris- African American Woman, biggest glass ceiling ever, prosecutor, most impressive media blitz/campaign speech so far.
- Julián Castro- Latino male. Southwest. my dark horse candidate.
- Tulsi Gabbard- Hawaiian. Hindu. But campaign is a mess
- Pete Buttigieg- Married Gay Man. Youngest candidate. Message geared towards Millennials. Future leader of Democratic Party. VP/Whip?
There's something to be impressed about with each candidate that has officially entered the race in 2020. Each candidate brings something new and different and fresh to the table. And most importantly, according to all the polls, each one can beat Trump.
But what astounds me is that there are NO old straight white guys in the race yet. And in fact, another crazy billionaire (Schultz) has made the other old white guys take notice in their own party that maybe this should be the make-up of the race. A makeup that more represents our country than a bunch of old white guys talking about things that are out of touch with the majority of Americans.
I'm really proud of the lineup at this point in time and would be very angry with the Republicans who don't even seem to want anybody to attempt to primary Trump.
Maybe Conservatives would be less angry if they joined our party??? :mrgreen:eace
All of these people have more gov't experience and are more qualified than Trump.
And they all support toxic, stupid policies I don't want to see implemented in our country while their party grows increasingly more hateful, racist, and economically illiterate.
I just said to Nap that this is essentially a snapshot of "now" and my positions may change.
Now that you brought up what you say is "bad stuff" about Harris, off I go to go find it.
Hopefully if there's bad stuff, I can look it up. That might change my perception of Harris, but I have to keep in mind that prosecutors are all about bad stuff. They're also all about prosecuting people who DO bad stuff, so when they get it right, they can do a lot of good with a broom.
We have a lot of bad folks doing a lot of bad stuff in this country right now.
I didn't say I forgave Harris, I simply said "she just might do it", meaning she seems to have a lot of mojo.
As for Bernie, to clarify one more time, I do love the guy. I did love the guy, I did support him.
I just can't take one more "race with the parking brake on" in 2020.
Once again, this is a snapshot. We may see a bunch of skeletons come out of a bunch of closets, even Sherrod Brown's.
Right now though, he seems to be a pretty good egg. He's not even as liberal as I'd like on issues, like Medicare For All or single payer, but he seems to have some clever ideas on how to get there anyway through another door.
Here's the problem with "your party." They want diversity over merit because someone's genetic background somehow makes them more qualified than an "undesirable" white male with merited experiences? I'll vote for the best candidate, which at this time does not appear to be anyone in the Democrat party.
Fair enough.
On Sherrod Brown, what you said is why I would probably never vote for him as a candidate in the primaries particularly given some of the alternatives; as someone who has been otherwise so promising, and who I personally like, it especially pains and disappoints me that he is not willing to take that next step to MFA. Hopefully he changes his mind, but I rather doubt it. However, I would certainly vote for him as nominee vs Trump.
Thanks for the pro tip and heads up on Kamala. I'll read them all with great gusto.
I think you might have missed something I said about Sherrod Brown, though.
I said that he seems to have a clever way of getting Medicare For All through a back door.
In another thread I said that it reminded me of a speeded up version of state by state pot legalization.
It seems he wants to start by incrementalism, opening up Medicare buy in and enrollment to 50 year olds, then after a while, rolling back the age to 45, then maybe 40. At some point the dam breaks and we're finally IN Medicare For All because by that time people understand that it's actually working very well.
It isn't that I want that more than just going for it all, it's that I am weighing the possibility of one versus the other as far as their chances of actually getting enacted into law, and in today's environment it is much more likely, at least right now, that Brown's sneak attack might win a lot of people over, enough that eventually everyone will get why M4A is a good idea and just welcome the whole magilla.
So it seems like it would boil down to whether we want to engage in another protracted eight year war to get it all at once or just go with the age rollback for starters and let everyone dip their toe in the water so they can see that alligators did not bite their feet off after all. I believe it would be EXTREMELY difficult to fight an age rollback to 50 year olds. It is a fight that is realistically able to succeed even in certain split legislatures.
For the record, Sherrod Brown says he would PREFER to just go all in right now, it's just that he is IN Congress and doesn't know if it has a chance. Remember, he saw what happened to the Public Option.
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