2017 is the 2nd Warmest Year on Record

[RAMOSS]

Climate data
[h=1]While global surface temperature cools, the lower troposphere has record warmest October[/h]Yesterday, we noted the drop in global surface temperature from HadCRUT data. Today, we have this report from the UAH dataset that points out the heat has not left the lower troposphere (about 14,000 feet altitude) based on this report from the University on Huntsville’s Dr. John Christy. Lower troposphere dataset has warmest October in satellite…

YOu do realize that you are quoting a website that cherry picks data, and lies, don't you?? Sorry, but 'whats up with that' is a blog run by an electrical engineer, and who is not a climate scientist. While he studied Meterology, he does not have a bs in it... he dropped out. He dropped out of his study of that field. This is the classic 'appeal to authority' logical fallacy, particularly since he cherry picks data, and out and out lies on his web site.

Do you have any sources other than blogs from people who do not have degrees in climate science?

 

[RAMOSS]

Fact is that the temperature cooled. There's nothing you can do to change that.

Except, your sources are doign what is known as 'cherry picking 'data, and misrpresenting data. Do you not understand that? Do you have a source making that claim that is something more than a blog of someone who is not a climate scientist?

 

[RAMOSS]

It's all explained in the linked post. Read first. Then post.

Clive Best uses a custom triangulation method to calculate the global temperature anomaly from the raw data, so I thought I’d verify this from the publicly available HadCrut data.
Source of global temperature anomaly data:
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs...ime_series/HadCRUT.4.6.0.0.monthly_ns_avg.txt

Ah. he uses a 'custom' method.. in other words, he made it up himself, to cherry pick that data.

Do you have a source that is not a blog of someone who is not a climate scientist.

 

[Jack Hays]

YOu do realize that you are quoting a website that cherry picks data, and lies, don't you?? Sorry, but 'whats up with that' is a blog run by an electrical engineer, and who is not a climate scientist. While he studied Meterology, he does not have a bs in it... he dropped out. He dropped out of his study of that field. This is the classic 'appeal to authority' logical fallacy, particularly since he cherry picks data, and out and out lies on his web site.

Do you have any sources other than blogs from people who do not have degrees in climate science?

In this case, as in almost all others, WUWT draws its data from expert sources. Your ad hominem is without value. Another source I recommend is Judith Curry's ​Climate, Etc.

 

[RAMOSS]

In this case, as in almost all others, WUWT draws its data from expert sources. Your ad hominem is without value. Another source I recommend is Judith Curry's ​Climate, Etc.

Well, she would be a better source, since she actually has a degree. She , how ever, is often misrepresented by such climate deniers as Anthony Watt and Clive best, neither who have the appropriate educational background.

If you want to make a specific point using her as a source, it will be examined skeptically, but it won't be the logical fallacy of appeal to authority that you are doing now.

 

[Jack Hays]

Except, your sources are doign what is known as 'cherry picking 'data, and misrpresenting data. Do you not understand that? Do you have a source making that claim that is something more than a blog of someone who is not a climate scientist?

cherry picking = data you don't like

 

[Jack Hays]

Ah. he uses a 'custom' method.. in other words, he made it up himself, to cherry pick that data.

Do you have a source that is not a blog of someone who is not a climate scientist.

Seems pretty credible to me.

About | Clive Best

clivebest.com/?page_id=2


It started out as a travel blog, but has now morphed mainly into a science blog on climate. All results, views, opinions and errors are entirely my own fault and in ...

I have a Bsc in Physics and a PhD in High Energy Physics and have worked as a research fellow at CERN for 3 years, Rutherford Lab for 2 years and the JET Nuclear Fusion experiment for 5 years. Thereafter I worked at the Joint Research Centre in Italy until April 2008 being seconded to the African Union in Addis Adaba Nov 2007 until March 2008. I originally started this blog to record my experiences in Ethiopia. It started out as a travel blog, but has now morphed mainly into a science blog on climate. All results, views, opinions and errors are entirely my own fault and in no way reflect any stance of any previous employer.
In April 2008 I co-founded a start up company osvision.com. Since then I also got involved with holiday rentals and a business centre at Colletta – a quite beautiful and unique medieval village in Liguria, Italy. I also now have more freedom to travel the world. I am basically a scientific sceptic but with a deep interest in other opinions and cultures.
I became interested in understanding the physics behind climate change after getting fed up with being told that the debate is over. Science is never a closed book and has a habit of turning round and biting those who think so. This explains why the blog now focusses on climate science.

 

[Jack Hays]

Well, she would be a better source, since she actually has a degree. She , how ever, is often misrepresented by such climate deniers as Anthony Watt and Clive best, neither who have the appropriate educational background.

If you want to make a specific point using her as a source, it will be examined skeptically, but it won't be the logical fallacy of appeal to authority that you are doing now.

There is no appeal to authority. If you want to dispute Best's methodology please feel free to do so. Otherwise stop whining.

 

[jc456]

Ah. he uses a 'custom' method.. in other words, he made it up himself, to cherry pick that data.

Do you have a source that is not a blog of someone who is not a climate scientist.

and I bet your sources manufacture theirs. There is no raw data to support any direction accept cool. Greenland is moving into the Arctic and it will become the same as Antarctica some thousands of years from today. There is no logical way the earth can warm. A total manufactured claim. The earth is cooling and there is nothing we can do about it. I know I want coal and natural gas to be used for my electrical and heating needs because I do not wish to freeze to death. perhaps that is your chosen death, but that's just you. so anytime you feel you have actual data, please post it up.

 

[Threegoofs]

and I bet your sources manufacture theirs. There is no raw data to support any direction accept cool. Greenland is moving into the Arctic and it will become the same as Antarctica some thousands of years from today. There is no logical way the earth can warm. A total manufactured claim. The earth is cooling and there is nothing we can do about it. I know I want coal and natural gas to be used for my electrical and heating needs because I do not wish to freeze to death. perhaps that is your chosen death, but that's just you. so anytime you feel you have actual data, please post it up.

IPCC - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

It’s kinda complicated.

You might want to start with this first:

NASA Climate Kids :: Home

It should cover the basics you are missing.

 

[RAMOSS]

cherry picking = data you don't like

Right.. that is exactly what cherry picking is. That is what your source is doing.. eliminating data that refutes his claim. You do know that, don't you. That is what the analysis is 'custom'.

 

[RAMOSS]

Seems pretty credible to me.

About | Clive Best

clivebest.com/?page_id=2


It started out as a travel blog, but has now morphed mainly into a science blog on climate. All results, views, opinions and errors are entirely my own fault and in ...

I have a Bsc in Physics and a PhD in High Energy Physics and have worked as a research fellow at CERN for 3 years, Rutherford Lab for 2 years and the JET Nuclear Fusion experiment for 5 years. Thereafter I worked at the Joint Research Centre in Italy until April 2008 being seconded to the African Union in Addis Adaba Nov 2007 until March 2008. I originally started this blog to record my experiences in Ethiopia. It started out as a travel blog, but has now morphed mainly into a science blog on climate. All results, views, opinions and errors are entirely my own fault and in no way reflect any stance of any previous employer.
In April 2008 I co-founded a start up company osvision.com. Since then I also got involved with holiday rentals and a business centre at Colletta – a quite beautiful and unique medieval village in Liguria, Italy. I also now have more freedom to travel the world. I am basically a scientific sceptic but with a deep interest in other opinions and cultures.
I became interested in understanding the physics behind climate change after getting fed up with being told that the debate is over. Science is never a closed book and has a habit of turning round and biting those who think so. This explains why the blog now focusses on climate science.

Notice, the degree he is missing??? He is not a climate scientist. Climatology is not his field of study. That makes invoking him as an expert in climate science the logical fallacy known as 'appeal to authority'. His area of expertise is high energy physics. Not climate science.

 

[Jack Hays]

Right.. that is exactly what cherry picking is. That is what your source is doing.. eliminating data that refutes his claim. You do know that, don't you. That is what the analysis is 'custom'.

Notice, the degree he is missing??? He is not a climate scientist. Climatology is not his field of study. That makes invoking him as an expert in climate science the logical fallacy known as 'appeal to authority'. His area of expertise is high energy physics. Not climate science.

Thanks, but I'll stick with the physicist.

 

[RAMOSS]

Thanks, but I'll stick with the physicist.

You can.. You have that right. However, it will be pointed out that is a logical fallacy to use his 'custom analysis' over people who have been actually trained in climate science. That is what is known as 'confirmation bias' on your part, and is conspiracy level denial of evidence.

 

[Jack Hays]

You can.. You have that right. However, it will be pointed out that is a logical fallacy to use his 'custom analysis' over people who have been actually trained in climate science. That is what is known as 'confirmation bias' on your part, and is conspiracy level denial of evidence.

Nonsense. If you want to dispute his methodology, please be my guest. You may also be interested in another thread I just started, wherein another physicist takes AGW orthodoxy apart.

 

[RAMOSS]

Nonsense. If you want to dispute his methodology, please be my guest. You may also be interested in another thread I just started, wherein another physicist takes AGW orthodoxy apart.

What you haven't done is show is 'custom' methodology is correct to begin with. Do you have something other than a blog, such as a peer reviewed article in a climate science journal that promotes his 'methodology'? ` Since you are presenting a 'custom' methodology from someone who is not a climate scientist, it is up to you to show that custom methodology is valid first.

 

[RAMOSS]

Nonsense. If you want to dispute his methodology, please be my guest. You may also be interested in another thread I just started, wherein another physicist takes AGW orthodoxy apart.

And, it woudl be the same logical fallacy, depending on someone whose training is not in the field they are going after.

 

[Jack Hays]

And, it woudl be the same logical fallacy, depending on someone whose training is not in the field they are going after.

Nir Shaviv has published research on climate in prestigious journals and spent a year at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, NJ. FYI: That's where Einstein was based in the US. You should not challenge his climate credentials. His remarks were offered at the Cambridge Union.

 

[Jack Hays]

What you haven't done is show is 'custom' methodology is correct to begin with. Do you have something other than a blog, such as a peer reviewed article in a climate science journal that promotes his 'methodology'? ` Since you are presenting a 'custom' methodology from someone who is not a climate scientist, it is up to you to show that custom methodology is valid first.

I accept his methodology. And your "climate scientist" theme is false anyway. Many (most?) climate scientists do not have a degree in "climate science." A prominent example would be Michael Mann himself.

 

[RAMOSS]

Nir Shaviv has published research on climate in prestigious journals and spent a year at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, NJ. FYI: That's where Einstein was based in the US. You should not challenge his climate credentials. His remarks were offered at the Cambridge Union.

Again, .. physics, and thus it is the logical fallacy of appeal to authority.. and i noticed you didn't bother to point to any of those 'prestigious journals' or the actual articles.

Plus, he gets his funding from the Heartland Institute, which is funded by Exxon Mobile, and therefore has a financial incentive being driven by the oil industry,.

 

[Jack Hays]

Again, .. physics, and thus it is the logical fallacy of appeal to authority.. and i noticed you didn't bother to point to any of those 'prestigious journals' or the actual articles.

Plus, he gets his funding from the Heartland Institute, which is funded by Exxon Mobile, and therefore has a financial incentive being driven by the oil industry,.

What a load of ignorant BS. Your proper reaction is embarrassment.

[h=3]Prof. Nir J. Shaviv - Racah Institute of Physics[/h]www.phys.huji.ac.il/~shaviv/

Prof. Nir J. Shaviv. Chairman, Racah Institute of Physics The Hebrew University of Jerusalem Jerusalem, 91904. Israel Office: Kaplun 102. Phone: +972-2- ...



[h=3]Nir J. Shaviv / Curriculum Vitae - The Racah Institute of Physics[/h]www.phys.huji.ac.il/~shaviv/cv/cv.html

e-mail: shaviv_nospam@phys.huji.ac.il (remove the _nospam!) Address: Racah Institute of Physics,Hebrew University Giv'at Ram, Jerusalem 91904, Israel.

 

[RAMOSS]

What a load of ignorant BS. Your proper reaction is embarrassment.

[h=3]Prof. Nir J. Shaviv - Racah Institute of Physics[/h]www.phys.huji.ac.il/~shaviv/

Prof. Nir J. Shaviv. Chairman, Racah Institute of Physics The Hebrew University of Jerusalem Jerusalem, 91904. Israel Office: Kaplun 102. Phone: +972-2- ...



[h=3]Nir J. Shaviv / Curriculum Vitae - The Racah Institute of Physics[/h]www.phys.huji.ac.il/~shaviv/cv/cv.html

e-mail: shaviv_nospam@phys.huji.ac.il (remove the _nospam!) Address: Racah Institute of Physics,Hebrew University Giv'at Ram, Jerusalem 91904, Israel.

And, like I said, he has no training in either climate since or geophysics. And, his essay about climate is on a webs it is on 'sciencebits.com'', not a scientific journal. So, none of the writings he has about climate change are in science journals, but rather on a private blog. Isn't that amazing!!.. Gasp.

Amazing, isn't it. Your claims are not verified, but rather the point that he is not trained in climate science, and his publicans on climate are not in scientific journals. So, your claim his climate articles are in established science journals is, in fact, falsified.

 

[Jack Hays]

And, like I said, he has no training in either climate since or geophysics. And, his essay about climate is on a webs it is on 'sciencebits.com'', not a scientific journal. So, none of the writings he has about climate change are in science journals, but rather on a private blog. Isn't that amazing!!.. Gasp.

Amazing, isn't it. Your claims are not verified, but rather the point that he is not trained in climate science, and his publicans on climate are not in scientific journals. So, your claim his climate articles are in established science journals is, in fact, falsified.

You are wrong. A number of his climate articles are in highly respected journals. Can you read?

Just one example:

N. J. Shaviv,
“Cosmic Ray Diffusion from the Galactic Spiral Arms, Iron Meteorites and a possible Climatic Connection”,
Physical Review Letters

 

[Lord of Planar]

Notice, the degree he is missing??? He is not a climate scientist. Climatology is not his field of study. That makes invoking him as an expert in climate science the logical fallacy known as 'appeal to authority'. His area of expertise is high energy physics. Not climate science.

Do you realize a degree called "climatology" is a joke? It is just a few more concepts put on top of a meteorology degree. A meaningful climatology degree would effectively require degrees in at least five areas of the geosciences.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Thanks, but I'll stick with the physicist.

Yes, physicists know far more about the actual interactions of radiant heat changes.