2016 Candidates Are Finally Taking Paid Family Leave Seriously

[Absentglare]

Wait - wut? It's your money in someone else's small business?

No, gdgyva was complaining about how i want more social spending ---

like i said earlier

you love spending OTHER peoples money

Since i am in the UPPER middle class, it's my money too. I paid a higher percentage of my income in taxes than Romney did.

 

[Absentglare]

i dont get it either

probably never will

my money is his money

my bosses money is his money

almost sounds like my wife

whats mine is mine, and what's yours is mine also

at least i agreed to that one.....

Ridiculous set of strawmen.

 

[HenryChinaski]

It doesn't benefit anyone when work isn't being done. There is no reason to give a husband 8 weeks off when his wife gets her knee replaced.

This sounds like a line straight out of Charles Dickens a Christmas Carol. Thankfully many employers don't share that view and do get it.

 

[Absentglare]

It doesn't benefit anyone when work isn't being done. There is no reason to give a husband 8 weeks off when his wife gets her knee replaced.

That's ridiculous.

So do you want to get rid of sick leave and vacation ?

 

[tres borrachos]

No, gdgyva was complaining about how i want more social spending ---



Since i am in the UPPER middle class, it's my money too. I paid a higher percentage of my income in taxes than Romney did.

h

I believe gdgyva was talking about his business and people wanting to dictate how his business spends his money. It's his money, unless you invested in his business.

You need a better accountant and some deductions if you paid more than 30% in taxes. That isn't Romney's fault.

 

[tres borrachos]

That's ridiculous.

So do you want to get rid of sick leave and vacation ?

No, but sick leave and vacation is for the employees, not their spouses. You are talking about 2 different things. Those are called employee benefits and we all get them. If I chose to take sick leave to make my husband soup, that's my decision.

 

[tres borrachos]

This sounds like a line straight out of Charles Dickens a Christmas Carol. Thankfully many employers don't share that view and do get it.

So your employer would give you 8 weeks of paid leave because your wife needs you at home. So everyone in the company has a sick spouse. Who shows up to deliver what the customers pay for?

 

[cpwill]

Oh bull, there are several studies that show the fathers presence in the very beginning of the child's life helps with their development as well as helps the mothers physical recovery and her mental state. This is so ironic coming from conservatives who stroke themselves as being about "family values" and emphasizing "two parent involvement"

1. I'm 100% in favor of active fatherhood. I concur it makes a massive difference when the father is active and present in a child's life.

2. But you are conflating that with post-partum paid leave, and they are not at all the same thing.

 

[Henrin]

This sounds like a line straight out of Charles Dickens a Christmas Carol. Thankfully many employers don't share that view and do get it.

What is ridiculous is you thinking your employer benefits by you being at home. Tell me, what are you doing for them when you're at home?

 

[HenryChinaski]

So your employer would give you 8 weeks of paid leave because your wife needs you at home. So everyone in the company has a sick spouse. Who shows up to deliver what the customers pay for?

We get enough PTO that covers any life event as such. I get about 5 weeks a year, then there's short term, long term leave and bereavement leave, maternity and paternity leave, Plus the standard paid holidays.

 

[tres borrachos]

We get enough PTO that covers any life event as such. I get about 5 weeks a year, then there's short term, long term leave and bereavement leave, maternity and paternity leave, Plus the standard paid holidays.

I also get 5 weeks vacation per year, and 10 holidays, as well as some floaters, but I don't get an additional 8 weeks on top of that to stay home with my husband when he's sick.

 

[HenryChinaski]

What is ridiculous is you thinking your employer benefits by you being at home. Tell me, what are you doing for them when you're at home?

What good is an employee who's mind isn't on their work because of a spouse or loved one who is home seriously injured and needing assistance?

 

[HenryChinaski]

I also get 5 weeks vacation per year, and 10 holidays, as well as some floaters, but I don't get an additional 8 weeks on top of that to stay home with my husband when he's sick.

We do, it's under short and long term leave. It's 3/4 pay or something as such but it's nice that it's available.

 

[tres borrachos]

What good is an employee who's mind isn't on their work because of a spouse or loved one who is home seriously injured and needing assistance?

So employers are running family care organizations, or businesses? Businesses exist to deliver a product or service to a customer, not worry about what is on their employees' minds. You're supposed to leave your personal issues at the door when you commit to working. That's what you get paid for.

You can make the argument that all of your employees have things on their minds. You can't let them all stay home and not work.

By the way, having a baby isn't an injury.

 

[tres borrachos]

We do, it's under short and long term leave. It's 3/4 pay or something as such but it's nice that it's available.

I use my PTO when I need to fulfill a personal obligation.

 

[vesper]

Did I read that correctly, some of you want 12 weeks paternity pay and 12 weeks to take care of a sick relative on the employer's dime. And you want that added to your vacation pay, sick leave, Christmas, Thanksgiving, New Years etc. too?
averages
2-4 weeks paid vacation
8-11 days sick pay
7-8 days paid holidays

So you want the potential to have 28-31 weeks off a year with pay? And I bet you think you are worth 75.00 an hour too.

If a father feels a need to be home the first 12 weeks after the birth of a child, I suggest they start saving the next 9 months and take a leave of absence unpaid. For cripe sakes most companies give family leave for such an occasion up to 8 days paid.

When in Sam Hill does it end for the employer? For the most part they are very fair but apparently that's not good enough. Give some folks the damn Sun and they want the friggen Moon and Stars thrown in for the heck of it.

 

[Henrin]

What good is an employee who's mind isn't on their work because of a spouse or loved one who is home seriously injured and needing assistance?

Again, what good are you not there at all? From what I gather you just want off for any possible thing that could interest you outside of work. Employers already offer you plenty of time off with pay and there is no good reason to offer you more. A man simply does not need to be off work because of a new baby for weeks. If you want to be there for a bit then use some of the time already given to you for that, but you don't need eight weeks.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Did I read that correctly, some of you want 12 weeks paternity pay and 12 weeks to take care of a sick relative on the employer's dime. And you want that added to your vacation pay, sick leave, Christmas, Thanksgiving, New Years etc. too?
averages
2-4 weeks paid vacation
8-11 days sick pay
7-8 days paid holidays

So you want the potential to have 28-31 weeks off a year with pay? And I bet you think you are worth 75.00 an hour too.

If a father feels a need to be home the first 12 weeks after the birth of a child, I suggest they start saving the next 9 months and take a leave of absence unpaid. For cripe sakes most companies give family leave for such an occasion up to 8 days paid.

When in Sam Hill does it end for the employer? For the most part they are very fair but apparently that's not good enough. Give some folks the damn Sun and they want the friggen Moon and Stars thrown in for the heck of it.

Using your numbers:

12 Weeks paternity
12 Weeks illness
2-4 weeks paid vacation
8-11 (1+ Week) days sick pay
7-8 (1+ Week) days paid holidays
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28-30+ weeks​

This is incorrect as FMLA is 12 weeks total per year, more correctly put your numbers would be:

12 Weeks paternity or 12 Weeks illness
2-4 weeks paid vacation
8-11 (1+ Week) days sick pay
7-8 (1+ Week) days paid holidays
======================
16-18+ weeks​

Just say'n...

The Family and Medical Leave Act - Wage and Hour Division (WHD) - U.S. Department of Labor

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[HenryChinaski]

Again, what good are you not there at all? From what I gather you just want off for any possible thing that could interest you outside of work. Employers already offer you plenty of time off with pay and there is no good reason to offer you more. A man simply does not need to be off work because of new baby for weeks. If you want to be there for a bit then use some of the time already given to you for that, but you don't need eight weeks.

As I said thankfully there's companies that don't share your Walmart-ish views. My employer made 34.2 billion last year They have a philosophy of time off that you don't agree with and I'm glad that I don't work for you.

 

[tres borrachos]

Using your numbers:

12 Weeks paternity
12 Weeks illness
2-4 weeks paid vacation
8-11 (1+ Week) days sick pay
7-8 (1+ Week) days paid holidays
======================
28-30+ weeks​

This is incorrect as FMLA is 12 weeks total per year, more correctly put your numbers would be:

12 Weeks paternity or 12 Weeks illness
2-4 weeks paid vacation
8-11 (1+ Week) days sick pay
7-8 (1+ Week) days paid holidays
======================
16-18+ weeks​

Just say'n...

The Family and Medical Leave Act - Wage and Hour Division (WHD) - U.S. Department of Labor

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11 days sick pay would be 2+ weeks, not 1+ week.

What does a father do for 12 weeks with a newborn? It doesn't take 2 people to care for a baby under the age of 3 months considering a 3 month old sleeps about 15 hours per day.

 

[Henrin]

As I said thankfully there's companies that don't share your Walmart-ish views. My employer made 34.2 billion last year They have a philosophy of time off that you don't agree with and I'm glad that I don't work for you.

So how do you think the company deals with the cost of your time off?

 

[WorldWatcher]

11 days sick pay would be 2+ weeks, not 1+ week.

What does a father do for 12 weeks with a newborn? It doesn't take 2 people to care for a baby under the age of 3 months considering a 3 month old sleeps about 15 hours per day.

Ummm...

The point was that it is 12 weeks FMLA total during a 12 month period, not 24 which the poster implied. It's on OR function (Paternity or Illness) not an AND function Paternity and Illness).


BTW - Sometimes I still think military where weekends count. So shoot me.



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[HenryChinaski]

So how do you think the company deals with the cost of your time off?

They view it as an investment. Every year profits increase because of the way they handle talent work life balance. I Work for one of the most successful companies in the world and number one in their field.

 

[Henrin]

They view it as an investment. Every year profits increase because of the way they handle talent work life balance. I Work for one of the most successful companies in the world and number one in their field.

So your benefit to get paid while not working is an investment and adds to their profits? How does that work exactly? Where is the money in the idea?

 

[vesper]

Using your numbers:

12 Weeks paternity
12 Weeks illness
2-4 weeks paid vacation
8-11 (1+ Week) days sick pay
7-8 (1+ Week) days paid holidays
======================
28-30+ weeks​

This is incorrect as FMLA is 12 weeks total per year, more correctly put your numbers would be:

12 Weeks paternity or 12 Weeks illness
2-4 weeks paid vacation
8-11 (1+ Week) days sick pay
7-8 (1+ Week) days paid holidays
======================
16-18+ weeks​

Just say'n...


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Whatever Worldwatcher, even at 16-18 weeks a year using your numbers is preposterous giving 4-41/2 months worth of paid leave. Usually the employer has to hire a temporary and/or the burden of the workload goes to the other employees who end up working a lot longer hours keeping them away from their families. It's absurd.

When I was faced with caring for my mother when she became disabled, I moved her in with me, changed my work schedule so hubby would be there when I wasn't. When I had my children, I was given 12 weeks off but only partial pay. But then again we planned for it. We saved up for it and it was never ever a financial burden. When my father in law fell and broke his hip, I took a leave of absence with out pay. He was 80 and never recovered in the hospital. My mil was close to 80 too and didn't drive. She needed me. I would never expect an employer to pay for my time off due to a relative. My employers were always very good at accommodating my needs. I think what people are even contemplating expecting is way over the top and damn out of line.

What a bunch whimps we have in society these days. I remember the stories of my family going through the great depression after the stock market crash and they lost everything. They lived in a mansion in Portsmouth Ohio and ran a grand hotel downtown. After the crash they lost everything. There was no work to be found. Grandpa started logging and took the family with him. A far cry from being one of the elite in town with a new town car every year. They lived in camps in tents. Grandma was a school teacher and taught the kids in the camp. She also cooked for all the loggers and their families. It was a long day but at least they did have a roof over their heads and food to eat and no government was handing out welfare. They later started another business actually two. My grandmother opened a restaurant at the train station and grandfather landed a good job. They bought a farm and great granddad and my uncles worked the fields that produced a lot of the vegetables that grandma used at the restaurant and fed her family. They managed just fine with 11 kids and not a damn dime of government welfare or employee benefits.

What a bunch of whiny whimps that walk the streets these days always with their hand out.