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2 Israeli Embassy staff members killed in shooting outside of event at the Capital Jewish Museum in Washington, DC

I think this is more of a gift to Palestinian haters, since you will be able to further justify cracking skulls and disappearing pro-Palestinian protestors. Jewish and otherwise.

Yes. Clearly the real victims of Jews being murdered are the people calling for Jews to be murdered.

Congrats on "Globalizing The Infitada".?

Vigilantism is a terrible thing. It means the law has failed and people feel justified in being Judge, Jury and Executioner. Whether it's a CEO being shot or a couple of Israeli staffers being executed, it should be universally condemned. Otherwise there is no point in society.

Killing a random Jewish couple isn't "vigilantism", but I appreciate you using that word, as clarity about how the Far Left perceives it's outgroups is at least useful.

While this is relevant news, put it in the context of 14,000 infants starving to death amidst the backdrop of a genocide.

That is indeed a useful context in, though perhaps not in the way you meant, as that turned out to be disinformation, and was deleted / edited / retracted by most of the media who put it out.... but not until after it was seen and became part of the narrative of millions.


HAMAS/UN put out a hysterical, wildly exaggerated, or false claim about Israel.

Western media runs with it. Millions are infuriated.

It becomes evident it was a hysterical, wildly exaggerated, or false claim.

Western media quietly adjusts. Thousands notice dozens may even change their beliefs as a result of learning their previous information was incorrect.

Western media continues to trust the same people who just fed it bad information, because they are the Right Sort of people, whereas the folks they are targeting are the Wrong Sort of people.

Rinse, Repeat.

Choose your outrage wisely.

Indeed.
 
Pointing out the great harm the Government of Israel has inflicted on trapped and helpless Palestinians makes no one "responsible" for the murders of Israelis. And, of course, we haven't "preened and postured".

That anyone believes any Government, any modern military, has the right, moral or legal, to bomb, to deprive of medical care, to starve to death civilians, month after month, represents a lack of decency that is beyond my ken.
You are right, no one believes that. What they do believe is that any government, or modern people and military have EVERY RIGHT to ensure safety for it's people.
If that is a military action against it's neighbors who cannot, have not, and will not learn to keep their rockets and terrorism to themselves, then that is a just cause.
 
Thank you.

Merged into this thread - post #46 was the one I referenced.

I see.

When someone does something as terrible as this I tend to think that political motivation is irrelevant.

The person is clearly deranged and simply used the conflict as an excuse to act on his darkest impulses.
 
No one should be blaming anyone but the shooter.

Elias Rodriguez screaming "free Palestine" while killing two people does nothing more than align him to Hamas.

Casing an event at a Jewish museum looking for people to kill makes it an act of terrorism.

Until we find evidence of any larger group involved I think it's safe to assume this is the action of a few very bad people.
They will face the standard punishment for this crime.
 
Yes. Clearly the real victims of Jews being murdered are the people calling for Jews to be murdered.

Huh?

Congrats on "Globalizing The Infitada".?

Intifada means rebellion / uprising, not 'Kill the Jews'.

Killing a random Jewish couple isn't "vigilantism", but I appreciate you using that word, as clarity about how the Far Left perceives it's outgroups is at least useful.

Vigilantism means taking the law into your own hands and assigning judicial retribution on people who may or may not be innocent, since there's no trial. By definition, it applies to violence against innocent people as well.

That is indeed a useful context in, though perhaps not in the way you meant, as that turned out to be disinformation, and was deleted / edited / retracted by most of the media who put it out.... but not until after it was seen and became part of the narrative of millions.

'Tom Fletcher, the UN’s under-secretary-general for humanitarian affairs, initially stated on BBC Radio 4's Today program that 14,000 babies in Gaza could die within the next 48 hours unless aid reaches them. However, the UN and BBC later clarified that this claim was based on an incorrect interpretation of a report and was not meant to indicate an immediate death toll. The 14,000 figure actually referred to children at risk of severe malnutrition by March 2025, not within the next 48 hours.

The UN has since retracted the statement, emphasizing that the situation in Gaza remains dire but the immediate death toll was not as high as initially reported. Fletcher had highlighted the urgent need for humanitarian aid to reach the population, describing the situation as "catastrophic" and the level of aid as "a drop in the ocean".'

  • Tom Fletcher: UN official who made the initial statement about 14,000 babies potentially dying within 48 hours if aid does not reach them.
  • Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) Partnership report: The report from which the 14,000 figure was incorrectly interpreted.
The situation in Gaza remains a significant humanitarian crisis, with ongoing needs for aid and support.'

...

So how many are at risk of dying? Only thousands? Not tens of thousands?


HAMAS/UN put out a hysterical, wildly exaggerated, or false claim about Israel.

Hamas = UN?

Western media runs with it. Millions are infuriated.

Um, they're literally doing the thing. They've killed tens if not hundreds of thousand of people already and are intentionally starving them.

It becomes evident it was a hysterical, wildly exaggerated, or false claim.

Seems to be a slight exaggeration, not a hysterical one. I wonder what your assessment would be if you went into Gaza and saw walking skeletons. I will spare you the photos.

Western media quietly adjusts. Thousands notice dozens may even change their beliefs as a result of learning their previous information was incorrect.

Western media adjusts? They barely even cover it, if at all. There's nothing to adjust to.

Western media continues to trust the same people who just fed it bad information, because they are the Right Sort of people, whereas the folks they are targeting are the Wrong Sort of people.

Rinse, Repeat.

Indeed.

How do you allocate your moral outrage? Still find Israel to be the 'most moral army'? Their own politicians say that they're killing babies for sport.
 
Terrorism. Unsurprising.
 
Pointing out the great harm the Government of Israel has inflicted on trapped and helpless Palestinians makes no one "responsible" for the murders of Israelis. And, of course, we haven't "preened and postured".

That anyone believes any Government, any modern military, has the right, moral or legal, to bomb, to deprive of medical care, to starve to death civilians, month after month, represents a lack of decency that is beyond my ken.

"The death of millions is a statistic..." you know the rest.
 
Until we find evidence of any larger group involved I think it's safe to assume this is the action of a few very bad people.
They will face the standard punishment for this crime.
The shooter shouted slogans from a well known movement when arrested.

It's safe to assume who backed their violence.
 
I think this is more of a gift to Palestinian haters, since you will be able to further justify cracking skulls and disappearing pro-Palestinian protestors. Jewish and otherwise.

Vigilantism is a terrible thing. It means the law has failed and people feel justified in being Judge, Jury and Executioner. Whether it's a CEO being shot or a couple of Israeli staffers being executed, it should be universally condemned. Otherwise there is no point in society.

While this is relevant news, put it in the context of 14,000 infants starving to death amidst the backdrop of a genocide. Choose your outrage wisely.
The "14,000 infants starving to death" myth was debunked within 24 hours.

No, I have never justified either cracking skulls or disappearing anyone at all. You owe me an apology for this false accusation.
 
Who has been "marching around calling for violence against Jews"?

There have been protests against the Israeli Government's mistreatment of Palestinians. But calls for violence against Jews? Be specific. Provide details.

What the hell do you think "from the river to the sea" means?????????????
 
Israel has committed many war crimes, as has Hamas.
Heck, there is literally an arrest warrant out for Netanyahu for war crimes.
The so called 'arrest warrant" was issued by the Muslim 'British' ICC prosecutor and Hamas apologist in the Hague.
 
I think we can all agree this should be condemned.

Better still - be outraged by both.

I absolutely condemn it. This is a violation of fundamental progressivism principles. I don't believe in the death penalty, much less vigilante assassinations. But on how to feel... outrage. It's something I've honestly been struggling with this past year and a half. I've never really witnessed a genocide before, certainly not in 4k. It was kind of a history book thing on this scale. So I'm trying to navigate how to feel when 2 people are killed unjustly and weigh that against an entire people being wiped out as an ethno-supremacist project. These situations and tragedies all exist under the umbrella of the same topic, and it's very unfortunate that they do.

If 2 Israelis being killed unjustly causes 10 out of 10 on the outrage-o-meter, then 2 Palestinians being killed unjustly would have to cause the same feeling. If it doesn't, something is broken in the equation. I see people pouring their emotions over Israelis lives and feelings, treating Israeli hostages as Jewels of the Universe, and Palestinian 'prisoners' as something to be discarded. Combined with the verminization of Palestinians... yeah, it's a tough road to navigate. Morally, emotionally, intellectually.

I also see this as further justification to crack down on pro-Palestinian protests. The media will always oblige in that regard. People will be like, 'Free Palestine? That's a call for Jewish extermination!' We're already seeing that in this thread.
 
The next liberal hero.
 
The so called 'arrest warrant" was issued by the Muslim 'British' ICC prosecutor and Hamas apologist in the Hague.

International accountability = ISIS / Nazis.

That's where we're at.
 
The "14,000 infants starving to death" myth was debunked within 24 hours.

They're still starving to death, they just might live longer? They're not starving?

No, I have never justified either cracking skulls or disappearing anyone at all. You owe me an apology for this false accusation.

You have supported police intervention on pro-Palestinian student protests. What is police intervention again?
 
I absolutely condemn it. This is a violation of fundamental progressivism principles. I don't believe in the death penalty, much less vigilante assassinations. But on how to feel... outrage. It's something I've honestly been struggling with this past year and a half. I've never really witnessed a genocide before, certainly not in 4k. It was kind of a history book thing on this scale. So I'm trying to navigate how to feel when 2 people are killed unjustly and weigh that against an entire people being wiped out as an ethno-supremacist project. These situations and tragedies all exist under the umbrella of the same topic, and it's very unfortunate that they do.
If 2 Israelis being killed unjustly causes 10 out of 10 on the outrage-o-meter, then 2 Palestinians being killed unjustly would have to cause the same feeling. If it doesn't, something is broken in the equation. I see people pouring their emotions over Israelis lives and feelings, treating Israeli hostages as Jewels of the Universe, and Palestinian 'prisoners' as something to be discarded. Combined with the verminization of Palestinians... yeah, it's a tough road to navigate. Morally, emotionally, intellectually.

I also see this as further justification to crack down on pro-Palestinian protests. The media will always oblige in that regard. People will be like, 'Free Palestine? That's a call for Jewish extermination!' We're already seeing that in this thread.

It is a simple fact that what is happening in Gaza is a war, not a genocide. You guys cheapen the term throwing it around so carelessly.
 
The so called 'arrest warrant" was issued by the Muslim 'British' ICC prosecutor and Hamas apologist in the Hague.

This is the same guy who issued arrest warrants for Hamas leaders as well.
 
It is a simple fact that what is happening in Gaza is a war, not a genocide. You guys cheapen the term throwing it around so carelessly.

Genocide is frequently performed under cover of war.
 
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