2 creation stories

[Metanoia]

2 creation stories…..are they both right ? This is like the quiz for the day….

 

[Grand Mal]

2 creation stories…..are they both right ? This is like the quiz for the day….

Every culture has a creation myth. Each one is as true as any of the others.

 

[Napoleon]

Care to be more specific?

 

[Metanoia]

Every culture has a creation myth. Each one is as true as any of the others.

I hope not to misunderstand you…..are you suggesting that Christianity/Judaism has 2 creation myths and that both are true ?

 

[Grand Mal]

I hope not to misunderstand you…..are you suggesting that Christianity/Judaism has 2 creation myths and that both are true ?

Why would I suggest that?
The Inuit say a woman sat beside a hole in the ground with a fishing pole and pulled up each of the world's animals, told each it's name and sent it on its way.
Others, like the Celtic myth, are more complicated. More complicated, even, than the one in the Bible.
And like I said, each is as true as each other one.

The one in the Bible is a parable. There obviously wasn't really a talking snake and an apple tree. It's a parable illustrating how mankind lost their state of primitive innocence by starting to judge some things good and others evil when, in their state of innocence, everything just was.

 

[Metanoia]

Why would I suggest that?


The one in the Bible is a parable. There obviously wasn't really a talking snake and an apple tree. It's a parable illustrating how mankind lost their state of primitive innocence by starting to judge some things good and others evil when, in their state of innocence, everything just was.

This last part is good……but the creation story in Genesis 1 differs from the creation story in Genesis 2……in my mind 2 creation stories….seemingly 2 myths. This thread actually presents a challenge to Bible believers……who claim to understand the Bible. Two chapters in and many are left without explanation or understanding…..

 

[RogueWarrior]

That is what happens when you start copying text without your morning coffee.

 

[Grand Mal]

This last part is good……but the creation story in Genesis 1 differs from the creation story in Genesis 2……in my mind 2 creation stories….seemingly 2 myths. This thread actually presents a challenge to Bible believers……who claim to understand the Bible. Two chapters in and many are left without explanation or understanding…..

Understanding the Bible begins with understanding that much of it is not to be taken literally.
I'm not aware of a second creation story but I'm pretty sure that it, too, is a parable.
Jesus knew the difference between people who can understand the meaning of parables and those who believe it's all the literal truth. The former, he said, had ears to hear, the latter do not.

 

[Gordy327]

2 creation stories…..are they both right ? This is like the quiz for the day….

What stories are those?

 

[Daisy]

Yes, they're both right...

At Genesis 1:24-26, the Bible indicates that the animals were created before man. But at Genesis 2:7, 19, 20, it seems to say that man was created before the animals. Why the discrepancy? Because the two accounts of the creation discuss it from two different viewpoints. The first describes the creation of the heavens and the earth and everything in them. (Genesis 1:1–2:4) The second concentrates on the creation of the human race and its fall into sin.—Genesis 2:5–4:26.

The first account is constructed chronologically, divided into six consecutive “days.” The second is written in order of topical importance. After a short prologue, it logically goes straight to the creation of Adam, since he and his family are the subject of what follows. (Genesis 2:7) Other information is then introduced as needed. We learn that after his creation Adam was to live in a garden in Eden. So the planting of the garden of Eden is now mentioned. (Genesis 2:8, 9, 15) Jehovah tells Adam to name “every wild beast of the field and every flying creature of the heavens.” Now, then, is the time to mention that “Jehovah God was forming from the ground” all these creatures, although their creation began long before Adam appeared on the scene.—Genesis 2:19; 1:20, 24, 26.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101989037?q=two+creation+accounts&p=sen

 

[Metanoia]

Yes, they're both right...

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/bc/r1/lp-e/1101989037/19/0

And both different……which is a dilemma. The first creation of man was Gen. 1:26-27….made in God’s image….God being Spirit cannot have physical body…..so this was the spiritual creation of man. The creation in Genesis 2 was physical man.

 

[Daisy]

And both different……which is a dilemma. The first creation of man was Gen. 1:26-27….made in God’s image….God being Spirit cannot have physical body…..so this was the spiritual creation of man. The creation in Genesis 2 was physical man.

Yeah, already explained...same account...different perspectives...

 

[rhinefire]

Serious question: Let's say a religious person is watching a TV show about scientists working geological locations thought to be containing prehistoric animal relics. They uncover skeletal remains they declare are X millions of years old. How do you work through that information as it conflicts with Christianity for one example?

 

[Metanoia]

Serious question: Let's say a religious person is watching a TV show about scientists working geological locations thought to be containing prehistoric animal relics. They uncover skeletal remains they declare are X millions of years old. How do you work through that information as it conflicts with Christianity for one example?

Pretend you didn’t see it ?

 

[Daisy]

Pretend you didn’t see it ?

Either a Christian believes what the Bible says or not...I happen to believe the Bible...it tells us man is fallible, God is not...

"God is not a mere man who tells lies," Numbers 23:19

 

[Metanoia]

There is a strong possibility that God is much much bigger than the specific time frame and physical location of the Bible….to me that is just a very small part of a continuing story….

 

[Metanoia]

We reduce and restrict the story to arguing about the Trinity for example….outsiders perceive us as being totally conflicted lacking the ability to agree on the most significant of things….and pride is our enemy….

 

[rhinefire]

Either a Christian believes what the Bible says or not...I happen to believe the Bible...it tells us man is fallible, God is not...

"God is not a mere man who tells lies," Numbers 23:19

But 6,000 years old???!!

 

[Maccabee]

2 creation stories…..are they both right ? This is like the quiz for the day….

I say this as a now agnostic, but I think this is a rather weak point of contention. At least if I'm remembering Genesis 1 and 2 correctly. Genesis 1 could be explained as a synopsis of the creation of the universe while Genesis 2 zooms in on the creation of the Garden of Eden specifically.

 

[Metanoia]

I say this as a now agnostic, but I think this is a rather weak point of contention. At least if I'm remembering Genesis 1 and 2 correctly. Genesis 1 could be explained as a synopsis of the creation of the universe while Genesis 2 zooms in on the creation of the Garden of Eden specifically.

In retrospect I wish I would have said many creation stories in the world. If Christians believe in one creator God then all people on earth could claim lineage to God. That leads to a lot of questions. For example: What was the advantage in being the chosen people of God ? Should not Israel be the greatest nation on earth ? With only 18 million Jews in the world there are many cities in the world that have more people than that.

 

[dairyair]

2 creation stories…..are they both right ? This is like the quiz for the day….

2 stories is far far short of how many there are.
They are all correct, for those that believe.

...

Creation myths have been around since ancient history and have served important societal roles. Over 100 "distinct" ones have been discovered.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_myth#cite_note-20"><span>[</span>20<span>]</span></a> All creation myths are in one sense etiological because they attempt to explain how the world formed and where humanity came from.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_myth#cite_note-Leeming2005-21"><span>[</span>21<span>]</span></a> Myths attempt to explain the unknown and sometimes teach a lesson.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_myth#cite_note-22"><span>[</span>22<span>]</span></a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_myth#cite_note-23"><span>[</span>23<span>]</span></a>

Creation myth - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[dairyair]

Yes, they're both right...

At Genesis 1:24-26, the Bible indicates that the animals were created before man. But at Genesis 2:7, 19, 20, it seems to say that man was created before the animals. Why the discrepancy? Because the two accounts of the creation discuss it from two different viewpoints. The first describes the creation of the heavens and the earth and everything in them. (Genesis 1:1–2:4) The second concentrates on the creation of the human race and its fall into sin.—Genesis 2:5–4:26.

The first account is constructed chronologically, divided into six consecutive “days.” The second is written in order of topical importance. After a short prologue, it logically goes straight to the creation of Adam, since he and his family are the subject of what follows. (Genesis 2:7) Other information is then introduced as needed. We learn that after his creation Adam was to live in a garden in Eden. So the planting of the garden of Eden is now mentioned. (Genesis 2:8, 9, 15) Jehovah tells Adam to name “every wild beast of the field and every flying creature of the heavens.” Now, then, is the time to mention that “Jehovah God was forming from the ground” all these creatures, although their creation began long before Adam appeared on the scene.—Genesis 2:19; 1:20, 24, 26.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101989037?q=two+creation+accounts&p=sen

That is a terrible description of why there are 2 different stories

Are you claiming that heaven and earth creation didn't include humans?
Also, heaven was already there, thats where the gods and angels were hanging out. So, they didn't create the place they were already existing in.

And I say gods, because the bible says let US create them in OUR image.

So more than 1 god was creating us(humans) in their(gods) imgage.

 

[dairyair]

Yeah, already explained...same account...different perspectives...

Yet 1 author. So, in reality, 1 perspective.

 

[dairyair]

Either a Christian believes what the Bible says or not...I happen to believe the Bible...it tells us man is fallible, God is not...

"God is not a mere man who tells lies," Numbers 23:19

Most do not believe everything the bible says. Most cherry pick parts they like.
And each person believes things differently. That's why there's 1000s of xtian religions based on the bible and 10,000s of denominations.

If one were to be a real Christian, they'd be Amish or Menonite. And even by that, those 2 real Christian religions differ.

No one knows the the heck the bible says.

God is the Hebrews god

 

[Daisy]

Are you claiming that heaven and earth creation didn't include humans?

Of course not...heaven and earth were created "in the beginning"...we don't know when...humans were not created until the 6th day/whatever amount of time that pertained to...

Also, heaven was already there, thats where the gods and angels were hanging out. So, they didn't create the place they were already existing in.

No, Jehovah God created it..."God created the heavens"...

let US create them in OUR image.

Jesus was there...he was" the firstborn of all creation"...even before the heavens and earth were created...