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1984: The novel

True, but Orwell didn't discriminate from different governments. Orwell himself was a democratic socialist, which is quite similar. It doesn't matter whether the government is capitalist and/or communist, the point is when a government trys to take away your right to think, you should do something about it. The people in the book did nothing about it and thats how they became so messed up.

Communism, when you look at it, isn't entirely a horrible thing on paper. Same with Capitalism. The problem is that there is always some kind of authority but when people get too much power and you decide to wave your rights of freedom of speech that it starts to spin out of control. Thats my belief anyways.
 
Well I'm a bringing back a dead topic to post this link to a project thats in the making. 1984comic.com It's nineteen eighty four in comic book form! Its very creative and I think its at least worth a look.

They do, however, post a lot of conspiracy theory bullshit but just ignore that.
 
FinnMacCool said:
Well I'm a bringing back a dead topic to post this link to a project thats in the making. 1984comic.com It's nineteen eighty four in comic book form! Its very creative and I think its at least worth a look.

They do, however, post a lot of conspiracy theory bullshit but just ignore that.
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Where's the link? Oh and if any one wants a copy of animal farm i'm downloading it now and I'll send anyone a copy just send me a private message with your email address or you can get it off of limewire.
 
KevinWan said:
... No its definately more like communism. Orwell's intentions were for the novel to be about communism... I believe he wrote the book in the late '40's, early '50's... during the onset of the Cold War, and ideological debate of Communism vs. Capitalism. However, I would agree that there are some Fascist elements to the novel, but these do not override the overal communist theme. Communism is more heavily based on propaganda, whereas Fascism is more heavily based on harsh nationalism. There was harsh nationalism in the novel, but the control in your own home by the "telescreen" (I believe that was what it was called) is VERY communist, and was more important to the plot of the novel. Communism and Fascism may be polar opposites on the political scale, but the way in which both are enforced is remarkably similar, so I suppose the novel incorporates a mix of the two.
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I think it was communism as well, Cold War and all, its just that Communism gives way to totalitarian control, think Stalin rather than fascist.
 
One of my favorite books. At times I have argued that the US is the state of Oceania in that book.
 
I think it was communism as well, Cold War and all, its just that Communism gives way to totalitarian control, think Stalin rather than fascist.
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One of the points that Orwell was trying to make was that socialism, as Stalin ran it, was the same thing as facism. However, if socialism can put on the appearance of being for the people and then ending up being completely the opposite, so can any other political platform including our Democratic Republic of the United States. You have to remember that Oceania didn't turn that way over night. It was a gradual process. Socialism or Communism or whatever isn't doomed to failure just simply cause of that but because the people who lived under the rule kept up the same idea that the ends justify the means and refusing to open their eyes to what was right in front of them.
 
I had to laugh when I saw the thread starter, seeing an old book being still enthused over after so many years and then asking if anyone'd read it with the enthusiasm that one shows when finding something no one else found yet. Dare I say that was cute? :mrgreen:
If you like Utopian-societal storylines, try reading Ayn Rand. FountainHead and especially Anthem are fantastic. Then there's Huxley's Brave New World....common thread in all but still really good and each has a unique spin on the 'Big Brother' aspect.
 
Well neither my dad nor my mother, nor any of my sisters had heard of this book so thats why I asked. Also it was a good way to end the post. But thanks anyways. . .I guess. The only person who had heard of it was my aunt and shes an english teacher so. . .
 
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