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[VanceMack]

NFL players should be allowed to honor their country by protesting injustice. NFL policy that disallows honoring the country would be absurd.

Its the content of the protests that are absurd. If someone is pissed at McDonalds and protest McDonalds by them and several of their friends ****ting on your porch daily, what are you going to focus on...McDonalds or someone ****ting on your porch?

The protests themselves are joke.

We protest inequality!

Big ****ing deal.

We protest police violence!

Big ****ing deal.

Well...alrighty then...now you've REALLY forced our hand. LeBron...wear these shoes that say 'equality'. THAT'll show em.

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

Its the content of the protests that are absurd. If someone is pissed at McDonalds and protest McDonalds by them and several of their friends ****ting on your porch daily, what are you going to focus on...McDonalds or someone ****ting on your porch?

The protests themselves are joke.

We protest inequality!

Big ****ing deal.

We protest police violence!

Big ****ing deal.

Well...alrighty then...now you've REALLY forced our hand. LeBron...wear these shoes that say 'equality'. THAT'll show em.

No one used the bathroom on anyone's porch. Some sports professionals silently and peacefully rested their knees on the ground while a song played.

 

[VanceMack]

No one used the bathroom on anyone's porch. Some sports professionals silently and peacefully rested their knees on the ground while a song played.

“I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color. To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

“I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color. To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”

Did he say something untrue?

 

[VanceMack]

Did he say something untrue?

Reread your previous post.

Now...is it untrue? You bet. It is idiocy to claim 'the Country' oppresses black people. It is equally stupid to claim 'the country' has a problem with police brutality. Unless of course you are comfortable claiming we have a problem with 'the blacks' in America because a lot of black people commit violent crime.

You would make such a stupid claim...would you?

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

Reread your previous post.

Now...is it untrue? You bet. It is idiocy to claim 'the Country' oppresses black people. It is equally stupid to claim 'the country' has a problem with police brutality. Unless of course you are comfortable claiming we have a problem with 'the blacks' in America because a lot of black people commit violent crime.

You would make such a stupid claim...would you?

Perhaps you would be more comfortable if he said "a country that includes citizens as well as legal, structural, and cultural systems that oppress black people" rather than "a country that oppresses black people". It's a matter of semantics really.

You wouldn't be so "stupid", to use your term, as to deny that systemic racism permeates most aspects of American society, would you?

 

[VanceMack]

Perhaps you would be more comfortable if he said "a country that includes citizens as well as legal, structural, and cultural systems that oppress black people" rather than "a country that oppresses black people". It's a matter of semantics really.

You wouldn't be so "stupid", to use your term, as to deny that systemic racism permeates most aspects of American society, would you?

Nope...I think ANYONE that says "a country that doesnt...." with regards to blacks in America is an idiot, a hypocrite, a bigot, and a douchebag. See...to make that idiotic claim you would have to ignore a black president, black congressmen, black Supreme Court justices, black millionaires, black media moguls, black professors, black doctors, black businessmen at all levels...hell...a person would have to have Hancock help them shove their head even further up their own ass than it obviously already is and completely ignore the successes of black Americans in American 'society'.

"The Country..." oppresses no one. "The Country...." an idiotic claim made by weak minded, weak willed people that are cowed by the facts.

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

Nope...I think ANYONE that says "a country that doesnt...." with regards to blacks in America is an idiot, a hypocrite, a bigot, and a douchebag. See...to make that idiotic claim you would have to ignore a black president, black congressmen, black Supreme Court justices, black millionaires, black media moguls, black professors, black doctors, black businessmen at all levels...hell...a person would have to have Hancock help them shove their head even further up their own ass than it obviously already is and completely ignore the successes of black Americans in American 'society'.

"The Country..." oppresses no one. "The Country...." an idiotic claim made by weak minded, weak willed people that are cowed by the facts.

A person must be willfully ignorant to suggest that because black people can be successful in America that racism and oppression no longer exist in the US.

White Americans who have never lived in a society where they occupied a minority status tend to say things like that.

If you think that equality has been achieved in this country, then I urge you to communicate with more people who feel less than equal. Their perspectives are just as valid as yours no matter how many names you call them.

 

[VanceMack]

A person must be willfully ignorant to suggest that because black people can be successful in America that racism and oppression no longer exist in the US.

White Americans who have never lived in a society where they occupied a minority status tend to say things like that.

If you think that equality has been achieved in this country, then I urge you to communicate with more people who feel less than equal. Their perspectives are just as valid as yours no matter how many names you call them.

Show me who has suggested racism doesnt exist in America.

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

Show me who has suggested racism doesnt exist in America.

If that is not what you meant to suggest in what you have posted here, then tell me what is the basis for your opposition to Colin Kaepernick and the protest. Bear in mind that I already addressed the "country" versus the "systems within the country" issue.

Also bear in mind that you said, "'The Country...' oppresses no one. 'The Country....' an idiotic claim made by weak minded, weak willed people that are cowed by the facts," among other insults.

 

[VanceMack]

If that is not what you meant to suggest in what you have posted here, then tell me what is the basis for your opposition to Colin Kaepernick and the protest. Bear in mind that I already addressed the "country" versus the "systems within the country" issue.

Also bear in mind that you said, "'The Country...' oppresses no one. 'The Country....' an idiotic claim made by weak minded, weak willed people that are cowed by the facts," among other insults.

I did indeed say that anyone that claims that "The country" is racist is making an idiotic claim. Its as stupid to say "The Country" is racist as it is to say "the blacks" are violent murderous scumbags just because a significant number of them are.

Individuals can be racist. Many are. "The Country" is not.

Do you make the claim that "the blacks" are violent murderous scumbags? And if not...why not, since you seem committed to the ridiculous notion that "the Country" is racist.

 

[fmw]

It only got to this because of the absolute garbage in the white house. Really didn't seem to be a big deal when there was an adult in the white house.

I don't recall the NFL players protesting during the anthem when there was an adult in the white house.

 

[Critter7r]

I disagree, but the point was that they thought they had a larger and captive audience. It backfired. Now the audience is smaller ...

... until short-attention-span American football fans remember how much they love watching football ...

and few remember the original cause. The cause became about disrespecting the flag, the anthem, and the millions of vets who also happen to be a large part of their audience.

I don't believe that. I think the original cause was purposely and maliciously obscured into "disrespecting the flag" to stir up drama by the same types of people the protest is against. Since when has taking a knee been seen as a sign of disrespect? Oh yeah, since a black guy did it.

Now the NFL top to bottom is looking for a face saving way out of the problem they created for themselves. That won't happen either.

I suspect the NFL isn't going anywhere.

 

[Critter7r]

That's up to the employer. If he says "pray on your own time" so be it.

What does that have to do with anything?

Well, at work before punching in would be on their own time.

 

[jimbo]

Well, at work before punching in would be on their own time.

They walk on the field, the cameras are running, they're working.

 

[jimbo]

... until short-attention-span American football fans remember how much they love watching football ...



I don't believe that. I think the original cause was purposely and maliciously obscured into "disrespecting the flag" to stir up drama by the same types of people the protest is against. Since when has taking a knee been seen as a sign of disrespect? Oh yeah, since a black guy did it.



I suspect the NFL isn't going anywhere.

until short-attention-span American football fans remember how much they love watching football .

You may be correct about the short attention span. Then again, you may not. Time will tell.

I don't believe that. I think the original cause was purposely and maliciously obscured into "disrespecting the flag" to stir up drama by the same types of people the protest is against. Since when has taking a knee been seen as a sign of disrespect? Oh yeah, since a black guy did it.

The "black guy" didn't kneel toward the nearest LEO or the police station. It was the flag and the anthem. They made it about patriotism.

The NFL will not go away. Their role as America's pastime can and has taken a hit. Already the accent by the league seems to be about reducing the number of games rather than reducing the problem.

The NFL is now looking for a face saving excuse. There is none. Stand up, on the field, without linking arms or wearing piggy socks. Nothing else is acceptable.

 

[Critter7r]

You may be correct about the short attention span. Then again, you may not. Time will tell.

The "black guy" didn't kneel toward the nearest LEO or the police station. It was the flag and the anthem. They made it about patriotism.
Their [the NFL] role as America's pastime can and has taken a hit. Already the accent by the league seems to be about reducing the number of games rather than reducing the problem.

The NFL is now looking for a face saving excuse. There is none. Stand up, on the field, without linking arms or wearing piggy socks. Nothing else is acceptable.

It was never about patriotism. It has always been about the vast number of people in this country that shrug and say, "meh, don't care. It's just another thug" when blacks are brutalized by police without reason. It was done during the Anthem to make that point that by and large, the whole country is guilty of it.

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

Perhaps you would be more comfortable if he said "a country that includes citizens as well as legal, structural, and cultural systems that oppress black people" rather than "a country that oppresses black people". It's a matter of semantics really.

You wouldn't be so "stupid", to use your term, as to deny that systemic racism permeates most aspects of American society, would you?

If that is not what you meant to suggest in what you have posted here, then tell me what is the basis for your opposition to Colin Kaepernick and the protest. Bear in mind that I already addressed the "country" versus the "systems within the country" issue.

Also bear in mind that you said, "'The Country...' oppresses no one. 'The Country....' an idiotic claim made by weak minded, weak willed people that are cowed by the facts," among other insults.

I did indeed say that anyone that claims that "The country" is racist is making an idiotic claim. Its as stupid to say "The Country" is racist as it is to say "the blacks" are violent murderous scumbags just because a significant number of them are.

Individuals can be racist. Many are. "The Country" is not.

Do you make the claim that "the blacks" are violent murderous scumbags? And if not...why not, since you seem committed to the ridiculous notion that "the Country" is racist.

Do not put words in my mouth. This is the third time I have addressed your comment.

 

[VanceMack]

Do not put words in my mouth. This is the third time I have addressed your comment.

No you haven't. You have and continue to do a silly tap dance. You would be aghast if someone suggested there is a problem with "the blacks"....and rightfully so-even though an abnormally large percentage of black Americans commit violent crime and murder. But you have no problem with using the descriptor as "The Country..." if there are citizens within the country that are racist.

"The Country" does not oppress black Americans. For anyone to make the claim that it does you would have to intentionally ignore the numbers and opportunists of and for black Americans. Protesting "The Country" is idiotic.

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

They walk on the field, the cameras are running, they're working.

It does not matter if they are working. They have a right to free expression when it does not interfere with their work duties.

They get on the field. They play the game. They can kneel on the field and sit on a bench and expose tattoos and make the sign of the cross when they score because it does not inhibit their ability to do their job.

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

until short-attention-span American football fans remember how much they love watching football .

You may be correct about the short attention span. Then again, you may not. Time will tell.

I don't believe that. I think the original cause was purposely and maliciously obscured into "disrespecting the flag" to stir up drama by the same types of people the protest is against. Since when has taking a knee been seen as a sign of disrespect? Oh yeah, since a black guy did it.

The "black guy" didn't kneel toward the nearest LEO or the police station. It was the flag and the anthem. They made it about patriotism.

The NFL will not go away. Their role as America's pastime can and has taken a hit. Already the accent by the league seems to be about reducing the number of games rather than reducing the problem.

The NFL is now looking for a face saving excuse. There is none. Stand up, on the field, without linking arms or wearing piggy socks. Nothing else is acceptable.

You must be thinking of North Korea.

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

until short-attention-span American football fans remember how much they love watching football .

You may be correct about the short attention span. Then again, you may not. Time will tell.

I don't believe that. I think the original cause was purposely and maliciously obscured into "disrespecting the flag" to stir up drama by the same types of people the protest is against. Since when has taking a knee been seen as a sign of disrespect? Oh yeah, since a black guy did it.

The "black guy" didn't kneel toward the nearest LEO or the police station. It was the flag and the anthem. They made it about patriotism.

The NFL will not go away. Their role as America's pastime can and has taken a hit. Already the accent by the league seems to be about reducing the number of games rather than reducing the problem.

The NFL is now looking for a face saving excuse. There is none. Stand up, on the field, without linking arms or wearing piggy socks. Nothing else is acceptable.

It was never about patriotism. It has always been about the vast number of people in this country that shrug and say, "meh, don't care. It's just another thug" when blacks are brutalized by police without reason. It was done during the Anthem to make that point that by and large, the whole country is guilty of it.

No, it has never been about patriotism. There is nothing patriotic about forced patriotism anyway.

"The Supreme Court, it turns out, has already addressed these questions in a classic statement of American liberty and intellectual freedom in education:*West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette*(1943).

“'If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation,' ruled the Court, 'it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein.' . . .

“'As governmental pressure toward unity becomes greater, so strife becomes more bitter as to whose unity it shall be,' the court said. 'Probably no deeper division of our people could proceed from any provocation than from finding it necessary to choose what doctrine and whose program public educational officials shall compel youth to unite in embracing.' . . .

"'Freedom to differ,' proclaimed the court, 'is not limited to things that do not matter much. That would be a mere shadow of freedom. The test of its substance is the right to differ as to things that touch the heart of the existing order.'”

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

No you haven't. You have and continue to do a silly tap dance. You would be aghast if someone suggested there is a problem with "the blacks"....and rightfully so-even though an abnormally large percentage of black Americans commit violent crime and murder. But you have no problem with using the descriptor as "The Country..." if there are citizens within the country that are racist.

"The Country" does not oppress black Americans. For anyone to make the claim that it does you would have to intentionally ignore the numbers and opportunists of and for black Americans. Protesting "The Country" is idiotic.

Listen, I'm not sure what your comprehension difficulty is here. I will try again.

I never said that "the country" is racist. Ever. Kaepernick said that. I clarified his language, from the first time you made your point, because although I think you are splitting hairs, I understand that point.

So this issue you have with the phrase "the country" has nothing to do with me because I never used it. Hopefully you get it this time.

Moving on from that, no one is protesting the country. You cannot disregard the meaning of the kneeling movement as it is expressed, verbalized, and clarified by the people who participate in it and instead assign whatever meaning you want. That is disingenuous and fundamentally unrelated to the protest itself.

Some Americans are racist. Some Americans are not racist. "The country" is an inanimate concept and cannot itself "be" racist. I accept that much of the issue on which you have been stuck for four posts.

There is still systemic racism within the US, however, that has historical and ongoing effects on the legal, structural, and cultural systems of the country. That is why we cannot transfer responsibility for improving the problems from the society at large to just those people who do and say racist things.

 

[VanceMack]

Listen, I'm not sure what your comprehension difficulty is here. I will try again.

I never said that "the country" is racist. Ever. Kaepernick said that. I clarified his language, from the first time you made your point, because although I think you are splitting hairs, I understand that point.

So this issue you have with the phrase "the country" has nothing to do with me because I never used it. Hopefully you get it this time.

Moving on from that, no one is protesting the country. You cannot disregard the meaning of the kneeling movement as it is expressed, verbalized, and clarified by the people who participate in it and instead assign whatever meaning you want. That is disingenuous and fundamentally unrelated to the protest itself.

Some Americans are racist. Some Americans are not racist. "The country" is an inanimate concept and cannot itself "be" racist. I accept that much of the issue on which you have been stuck for four posts.

There is still systemic racism within the US, however, that has historical and ongoing effects on the legal, structural, and cultural systems of the country. That is why we cannot transfer responsibility for improving the problems from the society at large to just those people who do and say racist things.

:lamo

You dont get to clarify his language. Stop trying to put words in his mouth. HIS claim was indeed directed at the Country and flag.

So good...we agree The Country is not racist and the flag does not represent racism. SO...lets now talk about 'systems'. Which 'system' is racist? Making the vague blanket statement 'systems are racist' is empty. Which specific system is 'racist'?

 

[Critter7r]

So good...we agree The Country is not racist and the flag does not represent racism. SO...lets now talk about 'systems'. Which 'system' is racist? Making the vague blanket statement 'systems are racist' is empty. Which specific system is 'racist'?

ooooh ooooh!! pick me, pick me!! I know the answer!!


ALL. OF. THEM.

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