12 Years is looking more and more realistic

[Ishm]

You're right. I went hours, not days.

That's still more than people want to pay extra.

Probably already seem cheap to those in the western states running from wildfires or running out of water and soon maybe even out of power for their aircon.

 

[flogger]

Same shit as anti vax nonsense

Cheap fossil fuel energy isnt a ****ing alternative. You should really stop. We subsidize fossil fuels already.

By impeding the third world from access to cheap energy and in some cases just simple basic electrification you are curtailing a longevity and quality of life we take for granted in the west

Misguided climate change evangelism is by far the greatest threat to their futures they currently face.

I often wonder if the current western AGW agenda is actually an attempt at a levelling down to their levels as penance for the original sin of industrialization

 

[bomberfox]

By impeding the third world from access to cheap energy and in some cases just simple basic electrification you are curtailing a longevity and quality of life we take for granted in the west

Misguided climate change evangelism is by far the greatest threat to their futures they currently face.

I often wonder if the current western AGW agenda is actually an attempt at a levelling down to their levels as penance for the original sin of industrialization

There is no climate evangelism. Providing alternative energy sources is the way.

 

[flogger]

There is no climate evangelism. Providing alternative energy sources is the way.

Making energy far less affordable and more unreliable isn't the way for anyone much less the third world.

Given the unprecedented scale of fossil fuel powerplant production today most others clearly agree

carbonbrief.org/mapped-worlds-coal-power-plants

As the real world demographics clearly demonstrates the economic benefits of cheap fossil fuel produced energy are undeniable given the economic growth in the countries that most heavily invest in it

 

[bomberfox]

Making energy far less affordable and more unreliable isn't the way for anyone much less the third world.

Given the unprecedented scale of fossil fuel powerplant production today most others clearly agree

carbonbrief.org/mapped-worlds-coal-power-plants

As the real world demographics clearly demonstrates the economic benefits of cheap fossil fuel produced energy are undeniable given the economic growth in the countries that most heavily invest in it

Fossil fuels only continue the warming of even intensely hot areas and forests that are facing out of control wildfires. The time for controlled burnings is lessening. Fossil fuels are goinv the way of the horse and buggy, time for subsidizing renewables.

 

[flogger]

Fossil fuels only continue the warming of even intensely hot areas and forests that are facing out of control wildfires. The time for controlled burnings is lessening. Fossil fuels are goinv the way of the horse and buggy, time for subsidizing renewables.

They are already by far the most massively subsidized form of energy production per KwH produced and yet still they fail to deliver

notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2021/05/06/excessive-renewable-energy-subsidies-are-now-a-major-obstacle-to-net-zero/

Green idealism is sadly no substitute for harsh economic reality

 

[longview]

Won't the gasoline still release carbon when used to do work? Why not put that 42.5 kWh of electricity directly on the grid to support average demand and storage in electric cars and batteries for use during peak demand as I described earlier.

An electric car battery can contain 100 kWh and is increasing. It will only use on average 10 kWh a day. So 100 million times 90 kWh is how much free storage?

The idea is that there is zero net increase in CO2, and if spread across all forms of transport, Jets, Cars, Ships, ect, could have a much faster impact than changing out all the vehicles.
Batteries at this point, cannot do the seasonal grid scale storage needed to move spring and fall surplus to winter and summer demand.
Car batteries could be used to shave peaks off of demand, with the owners permission, and even then the transfers might not fill the deficit beyond leaving everyone
with an electric car stranded at home until the power come back.

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

The only obstacle to using more renewable energy today is our willingness to divert money from our daily pleasures to pay for it. Who knows for instance that Singapore is building a massive solar farm in Australia to send power to Singapore so they can retire some of their current gas powered generation. Check a map. Thats over 2000 miles of cables to transport the power, mostly under the sea. If they can do that, why can't the US build massive solar farms in the desert states to reduce fosil fuel demand. Build some pumped hydro storage to go with it and you don't even need nasty batteries. All today's existing technologies.

Almost limitless energy is available from harvesting tidal energy, but not enough investment has been made yet to perfect the technology. We just as a world aren't desperate enough yet to give up that 2nd coffee at Starbucks each day, or only replace the phone every 5 years instead of 2 years when the new model drops etc etc. The money is there, but we haven't yet decided to spend it.

Do you have the slightest idea about the environmental consequences of massive solar farms in the desert? Are you under the impression the American deserts are empty wastelands void of life? Do you really not know about the complex and fragile ecosystems of deserts?
There's no free lunch.

 

[watsup]

There is truly no problem. But the point of saying “re-evaluate the problem” is because you are paranoid to the point of fantasy that the world is ending in 12 years because you’ve rejected the true religion of Christianity and adopting that is too much for pride. So hence the apocalypse cult.

No one is saying that the world will end in twelve years. Please quit being so hyperbolic.

 

[watsup]

There is no devastating effects of climate change at all. This is more regime propaganda.

If you haven’t watched the news over the last twenty years there is literally nothing you could point to from normal observation that is an effect of climate change.

In fact, all purported negative effects of “climate change” are either some time off in the future which changing deadlines, or are clearly attributable to something else. Like the ending of timbering in the Northwest causing fires.

The climate change scam is purely a non-falsifiable religious dogma used to justify the regime.

Actually, climate scientists are indeed pointing to a large increase in the number and strength of extreme weather events that are most likely being caused by global warming induced climate change.

 

[bomberfox]

They are already by far the most massively subsidized form of energy production per KwH produced and yet still they fail to deliver

notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2021/05/06/excessive-renewable-energy-subsidies-are-now-a-major-obstacle-to-net-zero/

Green idealism is sadly no substitute for harsh economic reality

do you know what a blanket does?

Your source gives nothing concrete in how much funding is given and to what source so i cannot compare based on that source alone, a blog.

 

[craig]

If those were made for engine block heaters, I doubt they will handle the load of a charger.

How expensive would it be for every place to do such a thing, upgrading to a class 2 capability?

An electric dryer outlet can provide class 2 charging. For my Leaf that would provide a complete charge in about 6 hours.

 

[craig]

The Spanish inquisition was a good thing. If we still had it today anti-Christian heretics like the AGW crowd would be forced to recant one way or the other

Galileo goes on trial for heresy | April 12, 1633 | HISTORY

On April 12, 1633, chief inquisitor Father Vincenzo Maculani da Firenzuola, appointed by Pope Urban VIII, begins the ...

www.history.com

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Galileo goes on trial for heresy | April 12, 1633 | HISTORY

On April 12, 1633, chief inquisitor Father Vincenzo Maculani da Firenzuola, appointed by Pope Urban VIII, begins the ...

www.history.com

And he deserved it because he was using pseudoscience to undermine church doctrine

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Actually, climate scientists are indeed pointing to a large increase in the number and strength of extreme weather events that are most likely being caused by global warming induced climate change.

Except there is no actual increase and their baseline for supposed increases is like 1920.

Plus climate science only ever gets research money to promote science that supports the regime increasing their power.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

No one is saying that the world will end in twelve years. Please quit being so hyperbolic.

That’s what the OP is saying

 

[flogger]

do you know what a blanket does?

Your source gives nothing concrete in how much funding is given and to what source so i cannot compare based on that source alone, a blog.

Do you know what a blanket is ?

Poor analogy

You've already been shown that China and the third world are economically voting with their feet on renewables . Theres little more I can add

 

[flogger]

That’s what the OP is saying

I have repeatedly asked the source of this 12 years till climate doomsday prediction and have been met with silence every time

 

[craig]

5 minutes at the pump gives me 350 miles

Do you have a pump at home?
Dump all the gas a person uses in a lifetime on the ground and it is quite a spill.
Take a car owner who drives to work:
Ages 18 to 68, 12,000 miles / year.
600,000 miles, 20 miles/gallon = 30,000 gallons.

 

[watsup]

Except there is no actual increase and their baseline for supposed increases is like 1920.

Plus climate science only ever gets research money to promote science that supports the regime increasing their power.

Conspiracy theory.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Do you have a pump at home?
Dump all the gas a person uses in a lifetime on the ground and it is quite a spill.
Take a car owner who drives to work:
Ages 18 to 68, 12,000 miles / year.
600,000 miles, 20 miles/gallon = 30,000 gallons.

Yeah… so?

 

[EMNofSeattle]

P

Conspiracy theory.

Conspiracy fact.

 

[watsup]

That’s what the OP is saying

A “tipping point” is not “the end of the world”. Please quit being so hyperbolic.

 

[flogger]

The idea is that there is zero net increase in CO2, and if spread across all forms of transport, Jets, Cars, Ships, ect, could have a much faster impact than changing out all the vehicles.
Batteries at this point, cannot do the seasonal grid scale storage needed to move spring and fall surplus to winter and summer demand.
Car batteries could be used to shave peaks off of demand, with the owners permission, and even then the transfers might not fill the deficit beyond leaving everyone
with an electric car stranded at home until the power come back.

I have yet to see a scientific paper on what this expensively set net zero target is supposed to achieve ,how it will achieve it and why the end result will be better than what we already have both economically and environmentally ?

 

[craig]

Yeah… so?

Just adding context.