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Another word: Sudan. How many Christians have the Muslim militias killed, to date?
Lol
Still you act like Islam is the only religion with violence in it's history.
Jesus must be rolling in his grave at what Christians have done in his name a thousand+ years ago :roll:
Oh, ok. Here's one, right here.
It's not his fault, it's the fault of, "those who have harrassed him...", and the fault of, "the system that is forcing him into some kind of nightmare..."
I rest my case.
Another word: Sudan. How many Christians have the Muslim militias killed, to date?
You would think that with that many Muslims in the world, they could quell the violence within their own reigion.
You would think that with that many Muslims in the world, they could quell the violence within their own reigion.
**** knows.
Who keeps up with Sudan?
Lol
Still you act like Islam is the only religion with violence in it's history.
Jesus must be rolling in his grave at what Christians have done in his name a thousand+ years ago :roll:
See, this is one of the issues with this war. Nothing makes sense. Case in point....
You're saying now that anyone that takes a criminal action for the same cause of the enemy is not doing a criminal act, or an act of war, but is doing a terrorist act.
So therefore all those people setting off IED's or that have attacked our embassy in Iraq after the invasion are not acts of war but terrorist acts.
But when I point out that we didn't have any attacks on our land from 1993 to 2001 I get told that the embassy bombings count as "our land", but they don't count when they've happened in the past 8 years because those aren't terrorist acts but actions of war.
It seems people are wanting it both ways, being able to call anything terrorism or not terrorism how it suits them for the argument their making.
So what you're saying is that anyone that commits a criminal act because they agree with the enemy, they're a terrorist?
So a kid spray painting "Stop this illegal war", which is a belief the terrorists share, is a terrorist cause he's taking up their cause? Yes, that's going to an extreme, but you've given me no other real criteria to go off of.
Sorry, unless he's actually found to be CONNECTED to that group in some way shape or form, to me this is an obvious and clear act of MASS MURDER....just like columbine, or the museum shootings, or all other mass shootings in recent memory.
Unless there comes out some evidence he's connected to a terrorist cell, has some things in place after that was hoping to send a political message, or he was specifically targetting civilians on the base to inspire fear in them, there's nothing here that shows me "terrorism".
Also...
could someone tell me why this is terrorism and not a mass murder?
if this was done by a christian, or an athiest, who disagreed with the war and us being over there would it be a "terrorist" act.
Sorry, I've never seen any definition of a terrorist act as "Any murder done by a muslim"
Why is this terrorism?
It didn't seem intended by anything that's came out so far to send a political message through fear. It wasn't targetting civilians. There's been zero evidence thus far of being tied to any actual terrorist groups.
Why is this terrorism?
Like it's that easy? The majority of peaceful Muslims are no more capable than we are at quelling the violence in their own religion.
Lol
Still you act like Islam is the only religion with violence in it's history.
Jesus must be rolling in his grave at what Christians have done in his name a thousand+ years ago :roll:
Wanted: a Muslim Reformation
National Post (Canada)
Sept 26, 2003
No religion has a monopoly on violence. Christianity has the Spanish Inquisition and the bloody excesses of the Crusades...."
But it will Not do to take the Politically Correct course and Lump all Religions in the Same basket, at least not insofar as our own era is concerned.
Christian civilization underwent a Reformation in the 16th century, embraced the Enlightenment with its intellectual and theological pluralism, separated Church from State and encouraged scholarship and democracy. Judaism has followed a similar process -- as have, more recently, the faiths of the far East.
Islam, on the other hand, is still struggling with this transition. And if there is to be peace in the Middle East and an end to terror worldwide, Muslims must accept that their faith is overdue for a doctrinal overhaul...."
"....Christianity still has its fanatical, bigoted elements. But those Christians who advocate the slaughter of non-believers make up an almost imperceptibly tiny fraction of the faithful. Much is made of the intolerant pronouncements of high-profile evangelists. A few deranged anti-abortion snipers aside, however, this is just talk. Even terrorists that claim to be part of the Christian world-- such as Spain's Basque extremists and America's Timothy McVeigh-- typically do not operate under any sort of religious aegis.
By contrast, a Large minority of the world's one billion Muslims still adhere to militant interpretations of their faith, including the Wahabi sect of Sunni Islam, centred in and spread by Saudi Arabia. These interpretations all embrace as a central tenet the duty of jihad -- which, despite whitewashing efforts in the West, continues to mean what it has meant since the 7th century: the slaughter or forced conversion of non-Muslim "infidels." With few exceptions -- such as old-school Palestinian terrorists who cling to Marxist rhetoric -- Muslim terrorist groups all explicitly take Islam as their inspiration. Osama bin Laden is a Hero to Hundreds of Millions of Muslims, and al-Qaeda continues to receive financing from a wide array of Muslim charities.
Christians kill. Jews kill. Hindus kill.
But no other faith group on the planet has embraced random slaughter in anything approaching the manner of radicalized Muslims.
The mainstream Arabic media is shot through with the most extreme sort of Hatred...
"Muslim advocacy organizations in the West, including Canada's own Canadian Islamic Congress, typically reject the claim that there is a problem with contemporary Islam, preferring to lay the world's problems at the feet of Israel and U.S. foreign policy.
Indeed, any Critical Scrutiny of their Religion is decried as "Bigotry"..... But it is evident these commentators are putting pride of faith above Truth.
The celebrations in the Islamic world on Sept. 11, 2001...."
Original link (National Post, Canada) expired, The full article can now be found here:
http://www.jewishtoronto.com/content_display.html?ArticleID=85448
Another word: Sudan. How many Christians have the Muslim militias killed, to date?
Oh yeah. Nevermind that, huh?
Lol
Still you act like Islam is the only religion with violence in it's history.
Jesus must be rolling in his grave at what Christians have done in his name a thousand+ years ago :roll:
I've been asking essentially the same question from the beginning. Why did this guy kill? Terrorism is a very deliberate act with specific goals beyond a simple desire to kill. The motivations are based in something other than personal vendetta or some kind of emotional breakdown. Religion and politics come to mind.
Religion is an obvious factor, it's the degree the religion played in his decision to carry out this act that makes or breaks the some of the arguments here. Was it an act of jihad or was it a Muslim who simply had a mental meltdown and snapped...deciding to kill those who he felt were persecuting him personally? This could have very well been a suicide by cop/MP/soldier thing. It doesn't matter that he was a soldier and a psychologist. He can still become depressed about his life and that can turn to violence. It happens almost daily in the U.S. In fact it's much more common than acts of religion fueled homicide.
I've been asking essentially the same question from the beginning. Why did this guy kill? Terrorism is a very deliberate act with specific goals beyond a simple desire to kill. The motivations are based in something other than personal vendetta or some kind of emotional breakdown. Religion and politics come to mind.
Religion is an obvious factor, it's the degree the religion played in his decision to carry out this act that makes or breaks the some of the arguments here. Was it an act of jihad or was it a Muslim who simply had a mental meltdown and snapped...deciding to kill those who he felt were persecuting him personally? This could have very well been a suicide by cop/MP/soldier thing. It doesn't matter that he was a soldier and a psychologist. He can still become depressed about his life and that can turn to violence. It happens almost daily in the U.S. In fact it's much more common than acts of religion fueled homicide.
Cause is not the same as Defense.
If that's your definition of defense, then every person in this thread saying the cause was singularly religion are also defending him, because its religions fault not his fault...by your logic.
Stating reasons WHY someone may do something is not DEFENDING what they do.
Originally Posted by GySgt
Immigrant parents of Palestine have quite an impact about the Israeli issue on their children (Palestinian children are encouraged to walk on the Star of David in their schools). Being "made fun of" is a pathetic excuse. He had deep torn feelings about fighting in a war where Muslims were the enemy. Perhaps he got far more pressured harassment from his parents post 9/11.
So this is to go down as a "School shooting" where the nerd had a bully problem? All other factors are to be shoved as far away as possible....until the next time....again? This is going to have so much media BS on this.
What oath is used today by Christians committing violence in Jesus' name?
Is religion the only factor driving the conflict in the Sudan. Answer carefully.
I've head all the excuses, but itnever fails, when someone criticizes Islam, the Muslims are out in force. Why they can't muster up that kind of protest against Islamic extremists doesn't make Muslims look good. All we hear from the Muslims is lip service in their condemnation of Muslim terrorists.
I've head all the excuses, but itnever fails, when someone criticizes Islam, the Muslims are out in force. Why they can't muster up that kind of protest against Islamic extremists doesn't make Muslims look good. All we hear from the Muslims is lip service in their condemnation of Muslim terrorists.
So, what are you saying? It's only a coincidence that Christians are being slaughtered by Muslim Militias?
It honestly sounded to me like he snapped. It seems to me that if his religion was a huge factor in the motivation that it would have been far more coordinated and organized. Then again, who knows for sure?
We are veering terribly far afield here. Let's rein it in shall we? Let's get back to the subject of the thread. Hasan and his act of violence in the name of Allah.
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