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11.09.2001-2008(and beyond), the fall of the US constitution and the rights of people

Is the US constitution falling apart?


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"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

NOW READS;

"We the Elite and the corporations of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect circle of power follows no justice, ensure domestic order by police and military force, provide for a common military offense, promote general slavery and less welfare for the public and have now managed to secure the a state of liberties for the few and slavery for the masses, with this we dissolve the constitution of the United States of America by the powers gathered in the hands of the president, the cabinet, the military and police of the Union"


LEGISLATIVE POWER:
We have by force ensured that the legislative power now is with the president of the United States, his cabinet and the puppet congress of elected fascists.
We have made sure by force or otherwise that a majority of congress will always support our changes and that the congress is limited to either or, and that or is forced to choose either instead of or. We have now transfered much of the powers of the congress to the president the last 7 years but really for decades and have now ensured that the congress is powerless by involunteerly choice, bribes, threats, fear or otherwise forced to make sure there is always a majority. The two party system of our state has ensured that this became an easy task. The legislative powers are still uncertain but almost completely under control.

EXECUTIVE POWER;
Yes, this is gathered in the hands of one man only as to make is uncomplicated and easy to get a hold on power. Imagine a system where the presidents family was at stake and the president had to take orders. With all that power in the hands of one man it is not difficult to grab or collect that power in the hands of some group of interest. Imagine a scenario where the presidents executive powers are controlled by the profits of the largest companies in the country for no other purpose than to milk the population.
Executive power is in the hands of the president and his cabinet which again can be controlled by anyone.

JUDICIAL POWER:
Judicial power is now also gathered in the hands of the president and his one of two possible political parties in the US have chosen. Its virtually a presidential and cabinet puppet force. The judicial and executive powers are now one and controlled by the one man and his crew.

STATE AND FEDERAL POWERS:
State power is virtually non existing anymore unless this serves the executive and judicial powers who have complete control over who powers what, to the purpose of using this as well as they can.


The BILL OF RIGHTS:
-There is still freedom of religion in the US even tho this is being overshadowed by racism and particularly Islamophobia. You are free to practice whatever religion you want but might very easily end up being killed for it or having less rights than the ones who practice the preferred Christian or Jewish religions.
-Freedom of speech is becoming limited and especially the right to protest is where this is most obvious with arrests for not being in line with the general or tolerated opinion. You may very easily get caught by the judicial powers for having your own opinions if you are a politicians or you may easily have your life ruined and end up in the corrupt justice system if you protest and have "abstract" or non-general or accepted opinions. The freedom of speech, assembly and petitions have all fallen.
-Freedom of press exist, but most of the media, especially the large and heard one is gathered in the hands of the people who control the executive and judicial powers, thus the media only have the same two opinions as the politicians, left or right. The media is a tool not free.

-The freedom to bear arms, the much appreciated second amendment, this is the most visible and clear freedoms that still exist in the US, but has the time now come when this freedom is attempted to be removed? Is there a movement to destroy the second amendment?

-Third and fourth says the government cant take over your home and not inspect it with unwarranted reason or probable cause of crime. These amendments were killed by the PATRIOT act. The executive and judicial powers have ruined these two and control them.

-Fifth amendment is almost dead, in many cases you have to testify against yourself or are scared into doing so by threats or torture. The PATRIOT act allows this, it also discontinues the clause of "due process".

-Sixth amendment of speedy trial is obviously discontinued with the patriot act and proven so by the US justice system and especially the Guantanamo bay process.

-Seventh amendment, YEY, this one is still valid and alive!!

-Eight amendment about cruel or unusual punishment have never been valid as long as death penalty have been allowed on federal US grounds.

-Ninth amendment is a long debate as it seems now the rights of the people are now stripped apart and broken by the political system rather than expanded by the people.

-Tenth now only ensures that the executive or judicial powers have all powers.

11-27 have many uninteresting amendments that are still valid and some uninteresting that are not. I will shortly go through the ones that are interesting, valid or not.

-Thirteenth abolishes slavery while the whole society is forced or lured to work 9-5 with a few lucky exceptions. Very doubtful amendment.



Not everyone will agree with what I am saying, but just the mention of these things should make people consider what kind of rights they have in the US today, what has been removed by the patriot act and what has been given away by the people in fear and in the name of the war on terror. Please vote Ron Paul if you are republican as the only uncorrupted one and please vote Barrack Hussein Osama if you are democratic, nah, vote John Edwards.
 
Re: 11.09.2001-2008(and beyond), the fall of the US constitution and the rights of pe

Hypocrisy? You are always preaching that Americans should mind their own business and stay out of the affairs of others. Perhaps you also should practice what you preach.
 
Re: 11.09.2001-2008(and beyond), the fall of the US constitution and the rights of pe

Never forget November 9th, 2001:rofl

(I know what he meant, but it's an American date, post accordingly:mrgreen:)
 
Re: 11.09.2001-2008(and beyond), the fall of the US constitution and the rights of pe

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

NOW READS;

"We the Elite and the corporations of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect circle of power follows no justice, ensure domestic order by police and military force, provide for a common military offense, promote general slavery and less welfare for the public and have now managed to secure the a state of liberties for the few and slavery for the masses, with this we dissolve the constitution of the United States of America by the powers gathered in the hands of the president, the cabinet, the military and police of the Union"


LEGISLATIVE POWER:
We have by force ensured that the legislative power now is with the president of the United States, his cabinet and the puppet congress of elected fascists.
We have made sure by force or otherwise that a majority of congress will always support our changes and that the congress is limited to either or, and that or is forced to choose either instead of or. We have now transfered much of the powers of the congress to the president the last 7 years but really for decades and have now ensured that the congress is powerless by involunteerly choice, bribes, threats, fear or otherwise forced to make sure there is always a majority. The two party system of our state has ensured that this became an easy task. The legislative powers are still uncertain but almost completely under control.

EXECUTIVE POWER;
Yes, this is gathered in the hands of one man only as to make is uncomplicated and easy to get a hold on power. Imagine a system where the presidents family was at stake and the president had to take orders. With all that power in the hands of one man it is not difficult to grab or collect that power in the hands of some group of interest. Imagine a scenario where the presidents executive powers are controlled by the profits of the largest companies in the country for no other purpose than to milk the population.
Executive power is in the hands of the president and his cabinet which again can be controlled by anyone.

JUDICIAL POWER:
Judicial power is now also gathered in the hands of the president and his one of two possible political parties in the US have chosen. Its virtually a presidential and cabinet puppet force. The judicial and executive powers are now one and controlled by the one man and his crew.

STATE AND FEDERAL POWERS:
State power is virtually non existing anymore unless this serves the executive and judicial powers who have complete control over who powers what, to the purpose of using this as well as they can.


The BILL OF RIGHTS:
-There is still freedom of religion in the US even tho this is being overshadowed by racism and particularly Islamophobia. You are free to practice whatever religion you want but might very easily end up being killed for it or having less rights than the ones who practice the preferred Christian or Jewish religions.
-Freedom of speech is becoming limited and especially the right to protest is where this is most obvious with arrests for not being in line with the general or tolerated opinion. You may very easily get caught by the judicial powers for having your own opinions if you are a politicians or you may easily have your life ruined and end up in the corrupt justice system if you protest and have "abstract" or non-general or accepted opinions. The freedom of speech, assembly and petitions have all fallen.
-Freedom of press exist, but most of the media, especially the large and heard one is gathered in the hands of the people who control the executive and judicial powers, thus the media only have the same two opinions as the politicians, left or right. The media is a tool not free.

-The freedom to bear arms, the much appreciated second amendment, this is the most visible and clear freedoms that still exist in the US, but has the time now come when this freedom is attempted to be removed? Is there a movement to destroy the second amendment?

-Third and fourth says the government cant take over your home and not inspect it with unwarranted reason or probable cause of crime. These amendments were killed by the PATRIOT act. The executive and judicial powers have ruined these two and control them.

-Fifth amendment is almost dead, in many cases you have to testify against yourself or are scared into doing so by threats or torture. The PATRIOT act allows this, it also discontinues the clause of "due process".

-Sixth amendment of speedy trial is obviously discontinued with the patriot act and proven so by the US justice system and especially the Guantanamo bay process.

-Seventh amendment, YEY, this one is still valid and alive!!

-Eight amendment about cruel or unusual punishment have never been valid as long as death penalty have been allowed on federal US grounds.

-Ninth amendment is a long debate as it seems now the rights of the people are now stripped apart and broken by the political system rather than expanded by the people.

-Tenth now only ensures that the executive or judicial powers have all powers.

11-27 have many uninteresting amendments that are still valid and some uninteresting that are not. I will shortly go through the ones that are interesting, valid or not.

-Thirteenth abolishes slavery while the whole society is forced or lured to work 9-5 with a few lucky exceptions. Very doubtful amendment.



Not everyone will agree with what I am saying, but just the mention of these things should make people consider what kind of rights they have in the US today, what has been removed by the patriot act and what has been given away by the people in fear and in the name of the war on terror. Please vote Ron Paul if you are republican as the only uncorrupted one and please vote Barrack Hussein Osama if you are democratic, nah, vote John Edwards.

Since when is working 9-5 a bad thing? Lazy Frenchman.
 
Re: 11.09.2001-2008(and beyond), the fall of the US constitution and the rights of pe

Hypocrisy? You are always preaching that Americans should mind their own business and stay out of the affairs of others. Perhaps you also should practice what you preach.

I never said that. I do think the US should be inward focused instead of outward focused. Thus the little funny note on the US military "offense" instead of defense. Because your military is not a defensive force anymore. The US seems to be falling apart, the politics, the roots and foundations of your society, the good spirit and your good international reputation, and all you Americans care about is terrorism, not the state of your your own country, your failing economy or your good reputation.

Shame.
 
Re: 11.09.2001-2008(and beyond), the fall of the US constitution and the rights of pe

Since when is working 9-5 a bad thing? Lazy Frenchman.

Ever since you not time to focus on other things than work/ever since the 9-5day was invented, and especially in the US since you have so little vacation and so few holidays in addition to the massive workdays. This makes you slaves, even more so than Europeans who at least have shorter days and more holidays. But hey, most Europeans are slaves as well.
 
Re: 11.09.2001-2008(and beyond), the fall of the US constitution and the rights of pe

Never forget November 9th, 2001:rofl

(I know what he meant, but it's an American date, post accordingly:mrgreen:)

Lol, I never got the whole 911 thing :doh

I should have written 11th of September then to avoid misunderstandings :lol:
 
Re: 11.09.2001-2008(and beyond), the fall of the US constitution and the rights of pe

Ever since you not time to focus on other things than work/ever since the 9-5day was invented, and especially in the US since you have so little vacation and so few holidays in addition to the massive workdays. This makes you slaves, even more so than Europeans who at least have shorter days and more holidays. But hey, most Europeans are slaves as well.

Just out of curiosity, what are the hours worked per day in Europe and how many days a week? I work 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. I get 6 holidays paid per year and 24 vacation days. This is usually too much time off for me so I sell vacation time instead of using it.
 
Re: 11.09.2001-2008(and beyond), the fall of the US constitution and the rights of pe

Just out of curiosity, what are the hours worked per day in Europe and how many days a week? I work 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. I get 6 holidays paid per year and 24 vacation days. This is usually too much time off for me so I sell vacation time instead of using it.

Yeah, that sounds about an average US person. But the statistics say the average have less vacation than that and that the average person dont spend their holidays or vacation days, just like you.

It varies a bit across Europe, but I would say the absolute most normal is a 38 hour week. In France as you probably know, 35 is normal, in Ireland for example 40 is normal. Mostly its 37.5 or 38. Average statistics say 38.x0.

Then, the big difference, more vacation and everybody takes it. Europeans are very Christian when it comes to holidays, and very monarchistic for a few extra days off to celebrate royal birthdays in those countries who have those. But in average I would say that its not abnormal to have 10-15 holidays(Christian or otherwise) available to all besides the paid vacation you earn, everywhere from 15-35 days, depending on where in Europe. But the most normal I would say is 4 or 5 weeks of vacation by law and around 12 holidays. But hey, Europeans are overworked as well.

Not having seen the statistics I am pretty damn certain that almost all Europeans care more about the days off than the money, so everybody takes all days and holidays as being normality.:2razz:
 
Re: 11.09.2001-2008(and beyond), the fall of the US constitution and the rights of pe

This country has endured far worse than anything the current administration is subjecting it to.

That said, the Constitution started falling apart round about 75 years ago, when people decided they couldn't eat freedom and they'd rather have the government give them stuff.
 
Re: 11.09.2001-2008(and beyond), the fall of the US constitution and the rights of pe

That said, the Constitution started falling apart round about 75 years ago, when people decided they couldn't eat freedom and they'd rather have the government give them stuff.
75 years ago? FDR took his Oath of Office in January 1932. By March there were 13,000,000 unemployed and almost every bank was closed.
 
Re: 11.09.2001-2008(and beyond), the fall of the US constitution and the rights of pe

As I recall he took his oath of office in March of 1933, and the bulk of the first New Deal came into effect that year.

And even if my timeline were imprecise (it isn't), notice I said "round about" 75 years ago, so as to cover myself if I were off a couple years.

And even if my timeline were still imprecise even with the insertion of a CYA phrase, it'd still be irrelevant: I'm arguing that people decided to renegotiate the social contract to give up some of their freedoms in exchange for material comfort. When that happened is a minor detail.
 
Re: 11.09.2001-2008(and beyond), the fall of the US constitution and the rights of pe

As I recall he took his oath of office in March of 1933, and the bulk of the first New Deal came into effect that year.
You are correct here. My mistake.

I'm arguing that people decided to renegotiate the social contract to give up some of their freedoms in exchange for material comfort. When that happened is a minor detail.
Material comfort? This was in the midst of the Great Depression. I hardly think basic sustenance and material comfort are equitable in this sense.
 
Re: 11.09.2001-2008(and beyond), the fall of the US constitution and the rights of pe

Ever since you not time to focus on other things than work/ever since the 9-5day was invented, and especially in the US since you have so little vacation and so few holidays in addition to the massive workdays. This makes you slaves, even more so than Europeans who at least have shorter days and more holidays. But hey, most Europeans are slaves as well.


I enjoy my job. I think Americans have a work ethic and a desire to be productive that is lacking in your country. We are not slaves, no one is forcing me to work and I do not wear chains. If I wanted to under achieve I could do so. I am a free man with the free will to do as I please. There are plenty of lazy scum sucking bottom dwelling leaches in the U.S. who feed of the Government teat. I choose to work and I love my job. ~ Sgt Rock
 
Re: 11.09.2001-2008(and beyond), the fall of the US constitution and the rights of pe

Ever since you not time to focus on other things than work/ever since the 9-5day was invented, and especially in the US since you have so little vacation and so few holidays in addition to the massive workdays. This makes you slaves, even more so than Europeans who at least have shorter days and more holidays. But hey, most Europeans are slaves as well.

I work about 6-12 hours a day depending on my work load. This work load of course depends on how many clients I am working with. Holidays mean nothing to me. A holiday will not feed me or my family. See you and I Maximus. We're like the grasshopper and the ants. I'm the ants. You're clearly the grasshopper. You run around all day, playing your violin, singing about your valued holidays. I on the other hand, work my *** off. I ensure that my family has enough and a little more. I stock up. Constantly. I make money. Give the wife what she needs to pay off bills and then save the rest. 365 days a year and even when I am sick I carry my laptop around with me to the hospitals. My work and my daughter are what have managed to keep me relatively healthy for the last year or so. So I use this health to make sure that if anything happens to me, she(my daughter) won't need to get a job before she turns 18. I keep working. Non-stop. Just like the ants. You on the other hand keep dancing and dancing. But oh man...here comes winter. And the grasshopper dies off...what happens to ants? The ants make it through the winter. All warm and cozy. Because the ants decided that it was ok to give up a few holidays so they could enjoy themselves later on. If you really don't understand what I am talking about, here you go :

YouTube - Silly Symphony - The Grasshopper and the Ants (1934)

Later 'hopper.
 
Re: 11.09.2001-2008(and beyond), the fall of the US constitution and the rights of pe

This country has endured far worse than anything the current administration is subjecting it to.

That said, the Constitution started falling apart round about 75 years ago, when people decided they couldn't eat freedom and they'd rather have the government give them stuff.


Now that is a very interesting view, but I totally agree. I think the US government since Reagan has been nothing but corrupt with the exception of Bill Clinton who had some integrity. I think both the Bush eras of your country has been the worst in your history concerning the direction of your country and how general things and attitudes play out.
 
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I enjoy my job. I think Americans have a work ethic and a desire to be productive that is lacking in your country. We are not slaves, no one is forcing me to work and I do not wear chains. If I wanted to under achieve I could do so. I am a free man with the free will to do as I please. There are plenty of lazy scum sucking bottom dwelling leaches in the U.S. who feed of the Government teat. I choose to work and I love my job. ~ Sgt Rock

You certainly do not have chains but unless you are pretty wealthy you have to work, no choice.

On the other hand, France for example as you probably mean is actually more productive than the US on an hourly basis.. Anyways, I see a bad tendency in France as well in giving away all their rights(mainly the social system and their way of life) for to cure some scare the politicians gave them. Shame that, and shame that the US constitution have no bearing anymore.
 
Re: 11.09.2001-2008(and beyond), the fall of the US constitution and the rights of pe

I work about 6-12 hours a day depending on my work load. This work load of course depends on how many clients I am working with. Holidays mean nothing to me. A holiday will not feed me or my family. See you and I Maximus. We're like the grasshopper and the ants. I'm the ants. You're clearly the grasshopper. You run around all day, playing your violin, singing about your valued holidays. I on the other hand, work my *** off. I ensure that my family has enough and a little more. I stock up. Constantly. I make money. Give the wife what she needs to pay off bills and then save the rest. 365 days a year and even when I am sick I carry my laptop around with me to the hospitals. My work and my daughter are what have managed to keep me relatively healthy for the last year or so. So I use this health to make sure that if anything happens to me, she(my daughter) won't need to get a job before she turns 18. I keep working. Non-stop. Just like the ants. You on the other hand keep dancing and dancing. But oh man...here comes winter. And the grasshopper dies off...what happens to ants? The ants make it through the winter. All warm and cozy. Because the ants decided that it was ok to give up a few holidays so they could enjoy themselves later on. If you really don't understand what I am talking about, here you go :

YouTube - Silly Symphony - The Grasshopper and the Ants (1934)

Later 'hopper.


Thats where you are wrong, because I work as well. But hey, its not my favorite activity and I dont really work long hours, and I do have lots of days off to enjoy myself. I just had one month of vacation now from the start of December until now(after the weekend), but I still manage to secure my winter in case it comes, by putting aside when I don't have vacation. Maybe not as much as you, but then again, I have a lot of time off.
 
Re: 11.09.2001-2008(and beyond), the fall of the US constitution and the rights of pe

You certainly do not have chains but unless you are pretty wealthy you have to work, no choice.

On the other hand, France for example as you probably mean is actually more productive than the US on an hourly basis..

Really? That is interesting. One would think a nation state whose labor force is more productive would have a greater GDP growth rate but France sits at 2.2% compared to the U.S.'s 2.9%.

What exactly do you base your assertion on?
 
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Really? That is interesting. One would think a nation state whose labor force is more productive would have a greater GDP growth rate but France sits at 2.2% compared to the U.S.'s 2.9%.

What exactly do you base your assertion on?

He likes to compare Europe to the U.S. instead of a country by country basis.
 
Re: 11.09.2001-2008(and beyond), the fall of the US constitution and the rights of pe

He likes to compare Europe to the U.S. instead of a country by country basis.

I actually compared the French rate, per hour, in which French productivity level is higher than the US..
 
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Really? That is interesting. One would think a nation state whose labor force is more productive would have a greater GDP growth rate but France sits at 2.2% compared to the U.S.'s 2.9%.

What exactly do you base your assertion on?

What parallel universe do you live in where things are like that? Thats completely opposite of how it actually is. Its the countries with lowest GDP efficiency per hour and per annum who clearly grows fastest in my universe at least.

Do I have to mention the developing worlds low GDP and high growth compared to that of the developed worlds GDP and growth?

This is another thing that the US is completely obsessed with.. People like Bush and the US politicians fool the population to think the GDP is the only thing that matters while all other indicators seem to be completely failing one by one. This is why republican fools still think the US economy is going strong, because the GDP is at an average growth rate for the last 10 years. When looking at the overall picture, things doesn't look so good in the US, especially considering a healthy GDP growth in no way justifies martial law and the fall of the US constitution, the patriot act 1 or 2 or other US failures the last 10 years. Your country has a massive public, federal and private debt, Europe has the same thing, just not as extreme, so its not just the US that is virtually bankrupt but also half the European countries.

Bubble people let the constitution fall. Politicians lies. News?
 
Re: 11.09.2001-2008(and beyond), the fall of the US constitution and the rights of pe

I enjoy my job. I think Americans have a work ethic and a desire to be productive that is lacking in your country. We are not slaves, no one is forcing me to work and I do not wear chains. If I wanted to under achieve I could do so. I am a free man with the free will to do as I please. There are plenty of lazy scum sucking bottom dwelling leaches in the U.S. who feed of the Government teat. I choose to work and I love my job. ~ Sgt Rock

French people may not have this "desire to be productive", I don't know, but anyway they are more productive!!!

They just work much less hours/week.
 
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What parallel universe do you live in where things are like that? Thats completely opposite of how it actually is. Its the countries with lowest GDP efficiency per hour and per annum who clearly grows fastest in my universe at least.

And as the GDP Growth of the U.S. keeps going at 3.2%. That of France stays at 2%. While your unemployment is at 8.7% ours is at 4.4.%. Obviously signs of France's superior economy.
 
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And as the GDP Growth of the U.S. keeps going at 3.2%. That of France stays at 2%. While your unemployment is at 8.7% ours is at 4.4.%. Obviously signs of France's superior economy.

yes but I think he wants to say that if the French worked as much as the Americans, they would be richer than you, because they are more efficient
 
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