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100+ MPG PLUG-IN HYBRID Hummer

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Yes, I kid you not... a 100+ MPG Hummer. This ought to be a good company to invest in.


Raser Technologies Unveils
100+ MPG PLUG-IN HYBRID Hummer
at THE SAE World Congress IN Detroit

Raser Technologies, Inc. unveiled a 100+ mpg Hummer H3 powered by Raser’s plug-in hybrid E-REV (Extended-Range Electric Vehicle) at the 2009 SAE International World Congress, Cobo Center, Detroit, MI.

Raser developed the 100+ mpg Electric H3 demonstration vehicle working closely with Hummer. Just one year ago at the 2008 SAE World Congress, Raser and its development partner FEV Inc., Auburn Hills, MI, a leading automotive integrator, introduced Raser’s E-REV power train, similar in function to the Chevy Volt but designed for use in a variety of larger full-sized SUVs and light trucks. The vehicle was developed in association with the Plug-in Hybrid Development Consortium, co-founded by Raser along with leading electric utilities, lithium ion battery companies and other automotive technology companies.

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note: for those of you unaware of how I post threads, the link to the article is under the title.
 
They really need to change how mpg calculations work for cars with batteries. Technically, an electric car gets infinite miles per gallon using the same standard. Gasoline cars need miles per gallon, and electric cars miles per joule. If you have both, post the actual gasoline efficiency and electric efficiency as separate numbers. The current system creates falsehoods about the actual efficiency of the vehicle.
 
rathi said:
They really need to change how mpg calculations work for cars with batteries. Technically, an electric car gets infinite miles per gallon using the same standard. Gasoline cars need miles per gallon, and electric cars miles per joule. If you have both, post the actual gasoline efficiency and electric efficiency as separate numbers. The current system creates falsehoods about the actual efficiency of the vehicle.
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That's not the point, MPG is a range measurement for fuel used, if it was a pure electric or non FF car I would agree with you, but when you have a gas tank and it get's you x number of miles every y gallons of gas MPG is appropriate. Still, this is a cool story.
 
That's not the point, MPG is a range measurement for fuel used, if it was a pure electric or non FF car I would agree with you, but when you have a gas tank and it get's you x number of miles every y gallons of gas MPG is appropriate. Still, this is a cool story.
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That isn't how they measure the MPG of this hummer. Suppose we have a hybrid car than can drive 90 miles on the charge of its battery, and 10 miles using its 1 gallon gas tank. A normal person would say it gets 10 mpg, since using a gasoline engine, the car can drive 10 miles on 1 gallon of gas. However the morons at the EPA add the 90 miles of the battery charge, making the ludicrous claim it gets 100 miles the gallon. If you wanted to, you could take a car with a pint of gas in the tank to get you 1 mile, a battery big enough for 99 mile range, and get certified as having 800 mpg.


The hummer actually gets 33 mpg, which is still rather impressive. It uses the electric drive train+ gasoline generator model of which I am a fan, although I disagree with some finer points of the implementation. I am in support of the technology, I just don't like it be misrepresented.
 
I think part of the appeal of being able to drive a Hummer is to show off how much money you have, and if you can also afford the fuel for it then you are pretty well off. I would be interested in seeing what the market demand for this Hummer will be once it hits the dealerships. Hummers, to me, have always been ostentatious and usually driven with one or two people inside. Not family vehicles by any means.
 
Orius said:
I think part of the appeal of being able to drive a Hummer is to show off how much money you have, and if you can also afford the fuel for it then you are pretty well off. I would be interested in seeing what the market demand for this Hummer will be once it hits the dealerships. Hummers, to me, have always been ostentatious and usually driven with one or two people inside. Not family vehicles by any means.
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That's the vehicle I'd want my family in, but then again drivers in my state suck and would rather them worry about the consequences of their accident than me.
 
rathi said:
The hummer actually gets 33 mpg, which is still rather impressive. It uses the electric drive train+ gasoline generator model of which I am a fan, although I disagree with some finer points of the implementation. I am in support of the technology, I just don't like it be misrepresented.
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It is called marketing....you make exaggerated claims based on partial truths in order to get the gullible public to pay the big bucks needed to cover development costs. :2razz::lol:
 
rathi said:
That isn't how they measure the MPG of this hummer. Suppose we have a hybrid car than can drive 90 miles on the charge of its battery, and 10 miles using its 1 gallon gas tank. A normal person would say it gets 10 mpg, since using a gasoline engine, the car can drive 10 miles on 1 gallon of gas. However the morons at the EPA add the 90 miles of the battery charge, making the ludicrous claim it gets 100 miles the gallon. If you wanted to, you could take a car with a pint of gas in the tank to get you 1 mile, a battery big enough for 99 mile range, and get certified as having 800 mpg.


The hummer actually gets 33 mpg, which is still rather impressive. It uses the electric drive train+ gasoline generator model of which I am a fan, although I disagree with some finer points of the implementation. I am in support of the technology, I just don't like it be misrepresented.
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I would say 100 doesn't synch up with the claims by the math I saw, but 33 doesn't look right either, I think it's better than that, but I did notice that the battery miles were included in the range figure, so I will concede that your initial point is valid to an extent.
 
rathi said:
They really need to change how mpg calculations work for cars with batteries. Technically, an electric car gets infinite miles per gallon using the same standard. Gasoline cars need miles per gallon, and electric cars miles per joule. If you have both, post the actual gasoline efficiency and electric efficiency as separate numbers. The current system creates falsehoods about the actual efficiency of the vehicle.
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Agreed. They also should be incorporating the cost to charge the batteries, perhaps by kwatt hr, as we're charged for electricity. If we drive a vehicle that gets 60 miles per charge and we only drive 40 miles per day btwn charges then some made up mpg rate is meaningless.

btw, I seriously doubt the gas engine, for the Hummer, gets much over 20 mpg, let alone 33.
 
It is called marketing....you make exaggerated claims based on partial truths in order to get the gullible public to pay the big bucks needed to cover development costs.
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Yeah, but the EPA has a job to prevent people from lying like that.

I would say 100 doesn't synch up with the claims by the math I saw, but 33 doesn't look right either, I think it's better than that, but I did notice that the battery miles were included in the range figure, so I will concede that your initial point is valid to an extent.
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They have a little chart that shows gallons of gas used for miles driven. 200 miles-40 for battery= 160/4.8 gallons of gas is 33.

btw, I seriously doubt the gas engine, for the Hummer, gets much over 20 mpg, let alone 33.
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Using a gasoline engine as a generator lets you run it at constant RPM for maximum efficiency at all times, as well choosing an engine optimized for low fuel consumption. I am not sure if a believe 33 mpg, but I would expect significantly better fuel consumption, especially in the city.
 
rathi said:
They really need to change how mpg calculations work for cars with batteries. Technically, an electric car gets infinite miles per gallon using the same standard. Gasoline cars need miles per gallon, and electric cars miles per joule. If you have both, post the actual gasoline efficiency and electric efficiency as separate numbers. The current system creates falsehoods about the actual efficiency of the vehicle.
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good idea... perhaps you should write the company and mention it to them. Do let us know what they tell you, ok?
 
Orius said:
I think part of the appeal of being able to drive a Hummer is to show off how much money you have, and if you can also afford the fuel for it then you are pretty well off. I would be interested in seeing what the market demand for this Hummer will be once it hits the dealerships. Hummers, to me, have always been ostentatious and usually driven with one or two people inside. Not family vehicles by any means.
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True enough BUT the company intends on offering the drive train to ALL the manufacturers of large vehicles, not just the Hummer. Hence my suggestion that this would be a good company to invest in.

And yes, to answer your unasked question. I have bought their stock.
 
rathi said:
They have a little chart that shows gallons of gas used for miles driven. 200 miles-40 for battery= 160/4.8 gallons of gas is 33.



Using a gasoline engine as a generator lets you run it at constant RPM for maximum efficiency at all times, as well choosing an engine optimized for low fuel consumption. I am not sure if a believe 33 mpg, but I would expect significantly better fuel consumption, especially in the city.
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I stand corrected. Still, as you've pointed out 33m.p.g. is more than respectable in a Hummer.
 
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