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10 KEYS TO FASCISM, AND HOW REPUBLICANS ARE USING THEM

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If anyone doubts Republicans want a dictatorship, all you have to do is look at their actions. They’re using 10 keys to fascism in the hope, conscious or not, of unlocking a future where they and they alone are in power.

Fear
Nationalism
Corruption
Obstructionism
Division
Absolutism
Isolationism
Suppression
Propaganda
Violence

None of this is about principle or policy or anything else that goes on in a thinking person’s brain. It’s nothing more than a thirst to rule without opposition, based prejudice, raw emotion, and manipulation. It’s a power grab. It just so happens that, right now, Republicans are the ones doing most of the grabbing.

For details how each of those 10 keys are being used, the details are here:
 
I need to comment on my own thread so people will notice this one, haven't had a 0 yet, maybe this will be my first?

Odd to, considering the hot topic :oops:
 
Fear
Nationalism
Corruption
Obstructionism
Division
Absolutism
Isolationism
Suppression
Propaganda
Violence

None of this is about principle or policy or anything else that goes on in a thinking person’s brain. It’s nothing more than a thirst to rule without opposition, based prejudice, raw emotion, and manipulation. It’s a power grab. It just so happens that, right now, Republicans are the ones doing most of the grabbing.

For details how each of those 10 keys are being used, the details are here:
For me, these are common traits of the GOP since at least 2001. Unfortunately, what used to be loud alarms about what the GOP is doing and how they are going about it has made many of us numb to this. Just like what (S/I/T) Trump has done and still does is numbing. Yet, it's important to understand what they are up to - it's just seems like there won't be any changing of their dirty rotten behavior for a long while. If their voter restriction laws keep them in power, then life may very well take on a 1930s Germany rule. :( Oh, glad to save your thread from remaining a 0 or 1 off. :)
 
Childish drivel.

Republicans are as fascist as Democrats are competent and honest. Which is to say not even in the same galaxy.

The Unthinking Left have tried to make patriotism a dirty word.

They’ve replaced their ambitions of a 3rd International with two-bit globalist schemes.

That being said, there are quite a few in the GOP who are on their side.

Those that aren’t are childishly called fascist because they dare have standards, structure, and order.

Fascists, they who appreciate the sacrifices made to make what this imperfect nation is today — Still the best place for people anywhere in the world, regardless of background or station to find prosperity and success.

Fascists, who think that you should keep what you earn and if you don’t work you don’t eat.

Fascists, who believe right is right and wrong is wrong and won’t apologize for not succumbing to relativist twaddle.

Fascists, who believe people should follow the law and not be rewarded for breaking it.

Fascists, who hate no one but understand that limits are necessary for those can come here.

Fascists, who believe that veterans should take priority over illegal aliens.

Fascists, who believe a swinging dick shouldn’t be swinging by their daughter in the girl’s locker room/bathroom because someone is under the mistaken impression that they were born with the wrong parts.

And if anyone actually had a clue as to history it was fascism that was the child of socialism, not its competitor.

but please tell us how oppressed the GOP make you, the fascist bastards that they are….🙄
 
It is not a good or sane OP even by your standards .

Whether you agree or not , it is a simple fact that more and more people recognise how Fascist the left has become -- regardless of any separate opinion about the right .

Further , many of us think that in the context of a huge overall drop in mental health , extremists at both ends of the political spectrum are suffering badly , as evidenced by very easy to see

sets of Derangement symptoms .
 
Childish drivel.

Republicans are as fascist as Democrats are competent and honest. Which is to say not even in the same galaxy.

The Unthinking Left have tried to make patriotism a dirty word.

They’ve replaced their ambitions of a 3rd International with two-bit globalist schemes.

That being said, there are quite a few in the GOP who are on their side.

Those that aren’t are childishly called fascist because they dare have standards, structure, and order.

Fascists, they who appreciate the sacrifices made to make what this imperfect nation is today — Still the best place for people anywhere in the world, regardless of background or station to find prosperity and success.

Fascists, who think that you should keep what you earn and if you don’t work you don’t eat.

Fascists, who believe right is right and wrong is wrong and won’t apologize for not succumbing to relativist twaddle.

Fascists, who believe people should follow the law and not be rewarded for breaking it.

Fascists, who hate no one but understand that limits are necessary for those can come here.

Fascists, who believe that veterans should take priority over illegal aliens.

Fascists, who believe a swinging dick shouldn’t be swinging by their daughter in the girl’s locker room/bathroom because someone is under the mistaken impression that they were born with the wrong parts.

And if anyone actually had a clue as to history it was fascism that was the child of socialism, not its competitor.

but please tell us how oppressed the GOP make you, the fascist bastards that they are….🙄
Didn't read beyond the headlines, understood :rolleyes:
 
Childish drivel.

Republicans are as fascist as Democrats are competent and honest. Which is to say not even in the same galaxy.

The Unthinking Left have tried to make patriotism a dirty word.

They’ve replaced their ambitions of a 3rd International with two-bit globalist schemes.

That being said, there are quite a few in the GOP who are on their side.

Those that aren’t are childishly called fascist because they dare have standards, structure, and order.

Fascists, they who appreciate the sacrifices made to make what this imperfect nation is today — Still the best place for people anywhere in the world, regardless of background or station to find prosperity and success.

Fascists, who think that you should keep what you earn and if you don’t work you don’t eat.

Fascists, who believe right is right and wrong is wrong and won’t apologize for not succumbing to relativist twaddle.

Fascists, who believe people should follow the law and not be rewarded for breaking it.

Fascists, who hate no one but understand that limits are necessary for those can come here.

Fascists, who believe that veterans should take priority over illegal aliens.

Fascists, who believe a swinging dick shouldn’t be swinging by their daughter in the girl’s locker room/bathroom because someone is under the mistaken impression that they were born with the wrong parts.

And if anyone actually had a clue as to history it was fascism that was the child of socialism, not its competitor.

but please tell us how oppressed the GOP make you, the fascist bastards that they are….🙄
I will be quite blunt, you don't know your history nor understand political movements, because any student of history knows what fascism is:
  • anti-liberalism, rejecting individual rights, civil liberties, free enterprise and democracy
  • anti-socialism, rejecting economic principles based on socialist frameworks
  • exclusion of certain groups, often through violence
  • nationalism that seeks to expand the nation's influence and power
  • https://www.livescience.com/57622-fascism.html
In the United States the Ku Klux Klan, a white supremacist organization founded at the end of the Civil War and revived in 1915, displayed some fascist characteristics.
the economic programs of the great majority of fascist movements were extremely conservative, favouring the wealthy far more than the middle class and the working class. Their talk of national “socialism” was quite fraudulent in this respect

It "favors the nation above all ... my community above all, masculinity and militarism, protection of homeland against foreign threats, suspicion of foreigners ... There is a 'true American' or nationalist of any country that would be fascist,"

Finally, all you need is your own eyes and ears, White Nationalists, and those proudly carrying Nazi flags and calling themselves Neo-Nazis are what? TRUMP SUPPORTERS!!

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Excerpts:

If anyone doubts Republicans want a dictatorship, all you have to do is look at their actions. They’re using 10 keys to fascism in the hope, conscious or not, of unlocking a future where they and they alone are in power.

Fear
Nationalism
Corruption
Obstructionism
Division
Absolutism
Isolationism
Suppression
Propaganda
Violence

None of this is about principle or policy or anything else that goes on in a thinking person’s brain. It’s nothing more than a thirst to rule without opposition, based prejudice, raw emotion, and manipulation. It’s a power grab. It just so happens that, right now, Republicans are the ones doing most of the grabbing.

For details how each of those 10 keys are being used, the details are here:
Calling Republicans "Fascist" is as hyperbolic as labeling Democrats "Socialists". In a real Fascist state Republican leaders would be lined up and shot.
 
Calling Republicans "Fascist" is as hyperbolic as labeling Democrats "Socialists". In a real Fascist state Republican leaders would be lined up and shot.
Republican AND Democratic leaders would face the same fate.
 
I will be quite blunt, you don't know your history nor understand political movements, because any student of history knows what fascism is:
So why don't you ? Off to night school with you and try to mix with those who might be able to give you a kick start .

There is no set definition / meaning because it is political and evolving .The following seems on the button , but there are extremes at both ends of the political spectrum to whom this following definition applies . By far the largest and most extreme example in the US is deep in the heart of the left , the now very fascist US Democratic party . Even their so called Anti fascist group ( Antifa) are synonymous with property theft and indiscriminate violence .

Fascism is a far left , economic and totalitarian political ideology that flourished in early twentieth century Europe and came to dominate the social and political systems of Italy and

Germany under Mussolini and Hitler . Fascism is statist in nature, relying on big goverment spending , while being hostile towards small businees competition and conventional religion . In

21st century America, the DEMOCRATIC PARTY has come to embody the oppressive single party aims of fascism in the United states


Conservatives are strongly opposed to Fascism, favoring the individual over the state.
 
So why don't you ? Off to night school with you and try to mix with those who might be able to give you a kick start .

There is no set definition / meaning because it is political and evolving .The following seems on the button , but there are extremes at both ends of the political spectrum to whom this following definition applies . By far the largest and most extreme example in the US is deep in the heart of the left , the now very fascist US Democratic party . Even their so called Anti fascist group ( Antifa) are synonymous with property theft and indiscriminate violence .

Fascism is a far left , economic and totalitarian political ideology that flourished in early twentieth century Europe and came to dominate the social and political systems of Italy and

Germany under Mussolini and Hitler . Fascism is statist in nature, relying on big goverment spending , while being hostile towards small businees competition and conventional religion . In

21st century America, the DEMOCRATIC PARTY has come to embody the oppressive single party aims of fascism in the United states


Conservatives are strongly opposed to Fascism, favoring the individual over the state.
You clearly missed where neo-nazis are a rightwing movement and Trump supporters.
Also cute how you snipped one line from my comment #8, but other folks here can read the entire comment to see what you left out.
 
Excerpts:

If anyone doubts Republicans want a dictatorship, all you have to do is look at their actions. They’re using 10 keys to fascism in the hope, conscious or not, of unlocking a future where they and they alone are in power.

Fear
Nationalism
Corruption
Obstructionism
Division
Absolutism
Isolationism
Suppression
Propaganda
Violence

None of this is about principle or policy or anything else that goes on in a thinking person’s brain. It’s nothing more than a thirst to rule without opposition, based prejudice, raw emotion, and manipulation. It’s a power grab. It just so happens that, right now, Republicans are the ones doing most of the grabbing.

For details how each of those 10 keys are being used, the details are here:
Stephenhprovost? What an echo chamber the left seek.

😀
 
Stephenhprovost? What an echo chamber the left seek.

😀
I know I know, I should have sought out ZeroHedge instead, right?
btw, read further, comment #8 has additional links you might consider leftist echo chambers :ROFLMAO:
 
You clearly missed where neo-nazis are a rightwing movement and Trump supporters.
Also cute how you snipped one line from my comment #8, but other folks here can read the entire comment to see what you left out.
Seems you just scan and then cherry pick .

"There is no set definition / meaning because it is political and evolving .The following seems on the button , but there are extremes at both ends of the political spectrum to whom this following definition applies"

Clear as a bell . No tricky long words or sentences with half a dozen clauses .

Because the US Democratic party has moved to being a fully paid up member of the CCP and shares core ideology , the extreme nature of so called Progressive Liberalism is so

completely Fascist in outlook and action that it utterly dwarfs similar practices coming from much smaller but equally odious right wing groups .
 
I will be quite blunt, you don't know your history nor understand political movements, because any student of history knows what fascism is:
No, I will be quite blunt, is English your second language? Apparently you are no student as you had to copy and paste instead of express your own thoughts in you own words...

Here, since I am a kind fascist what do the words "Child of..." conjure? "Born from"? is that better? "Precedes out of"? are you grasping it yet?

Fascism as a political ideology has it's roots in German Idealism and the materialism of Marx. Marx.

Most Fascists began as socialists that became disillusioned with the idiocy of it all. They found they could obtain power by actually arguing against what they had previously supported, even if some of that which they opposed they incorporated.

That socialism is fascism's mother even though it grew to hate its mother in no way changes the fact of who its mother is.
 
No, I will be quite blunt, is English your second language? Apparently you are no student as you had to copy and paste instead of express your own thoughts in you own words...

Here, since I am a kind fascist what do the words "Child of..." conjure? "Born from"? is that better? "Precedes out of"? are you grasping it yet?

Fascism as a political ideology has it's roots in German Idealism and the materialism of Marx. Marx.

Most Fascists began as socialists that became disillusioned with the idiocy of it all. They found they could obtain power by actually arguing against what they had previously supported, even if some of that which they opposed they incorporated.

That socialism is fascism's mother even though it grew to hate its mother in no way changes the fact of who its mother is.
Like I said ............
 
Excerpts:

If anyone doubts Republicans want a dictatorship, all you have to do is look at their actions. They’re using 10 keys to fascism in the hope, conscious or not, of unlocking a future where they and they alone are in power.

Fear
Nationalism
Corruption
Obstructionism
Division
Absolutism
Isolationism
Suppression
Propaganda
Violence

None of this is about principle or policy or anything else that goes on in a thinking person’s brain. It’s nothing more than a thirst to rule without opposition, based prejudice, raw emotion, and manipulation. It’s a power grab. It just so happens that, right now, Republicans are the ones doing most of the grabbing.I

For details how each of those 10 keys are being used, the details are here:
I found that Live Science article pretty interesting, and wanted to comment on this from that article:

Paxton also said that fascism is based more on feelings than philosophical ideas (which may explain why fascism can be hard to define). In his 1988 essay "The Five Stages of Fascism," published in 1998 in the Journal of Modern History, he defined seven "mobilizing passions" for fascist regimes. They are:

  1. The primacy of the group. Supporting the group feels more important than maintaining individual rights.
  2. Believing that one's group is a victim. This justifies any behavior against the group's enemies.
  3. The belief that individualism and liberalism enable dangerous decadence and have a negative effect on the group.
  4. A strong sense of community or brotherhood.
  5. Individual self-esteem is tied to the perceived greatness of the group. Paxton called this an "enhanced sense of identity and belonging."
  6. Extreme support of a "natural" leader, who is typically male. This results in one man taking on the role of national savior.
  7. Affinity for "the beauty of violence and of will, when they are devoted to the group's success in a Darwinian struggle," Paxton wrote. The idea of a naturally superior group or, especially in Hitler's case, biological racism, fits into a fascist interpretation of Darwinism.
Once in power, "fascist dictatorships suppressed individual liberties, imprisoned opponents, forbade strikes, authorized unlimited police power in the name of national unity and revival, and committed military aggression," Paxton wrote.

This does seem to be correct, based on my (admittedly incomplete, except in the case of Nazi Germany) study of fascist regimes. What I think is interesting about it is that both parties each have some of these characteristics. Primacy of the group? Yeah, dems and reps both have that, albeit in different ways. Believing one's group is a victim? Yep. Individualism and liberalism are dangerous? For dems, individualism can be dangerous, while for reps, liberalism can be. Extreme support for a "natural" leader...that's most obviously Republicans these days. Obama was very popular among Democrats, but he had nowhere near the level of idolization that Trump has received.
 
I found that Live Science article pretty interesting, and wanted to comment on this from that article:



This does seem to be correct, based on my (admittedly incomplete, except in the case of Nazi Germany) study of fascist regimes. What I think is interesting about it is that both parties each have some of these characteristics. Primacy of the group? Yeah, dems and reps both have that, albeit in different ways. Believing one's group is a victim? Yep. Individualism and liberalism are dangerous? For dems, individualism can be dangerous, while for reps, liberalism can be. Extreme support for a "natural" leader...that's most obviously Republicans these days. Obama was very popular among Democrats, but he had nowhere near the level of idolization that Trump has received.
Though way too simplistic, I remember hearing a simple phrase:
Fascism follows the cult of Leader, Socialism (or Communism) follows the cult of Party.

By that definition, we came closer to Fascism (via Trump) than we have to Socialist ideals, being mindful, that what Americans call Socialism is slightly left of center to the rest of the world.
 
Though way too simplistic, I remember hearing a simple phrase:
Fascism follows the cult of Leader, Socialism (or Communism) follows the cult of Party.
That is too simplistic, but seems nevertheless to convey a pretty correct intuition. Thanks for posting.

By that definition, we came closer to Fascism (via Trump) than we have to Socialist ideals, being mindful, that what Americans call Socialism is slightly left of center to the rest of the world.
Yes. I would consider myself a socialist, albeit one who recognizes that certain limits have to be placed on socialist economics, and certain individual rights must be preserved as a matter of utmost importance. Conservatives who call Biden an "extreme leftist" amuse me, as I think they'd have run out of terms if I were ever President (not that I expect that will ever happen).

Both parties have presented cartoon versions of each other over the years--right now I think it's obvious that the Republicans are distorting their view of the Democrats more than the reverse, but that hasn't always been the case. I do wish sometimes that both sides would make a real effort to just get right what the other is saying. Seems like doing so would be the bare minimum of reasoned discussion.
 
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