“Peace and Security” as Devised by Nations...

[zyzygy]

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_of_the_end_of_the_world

 

[Daisy]

Let's see, the entire JW existence has only been around for about 100 years right? 1914-ish?

They've WRONGLY predicted "armageddon" how many times so far?

But seriously, it's just around the corner...

Actually over 2,700 years ago in Isaiah 43:10,11, the title was officially cataloged......and to get more specific, there have been witnesses of the true God, Jehovah, back as far as Abel...

 

[devildavid]

Frankly I think the world is always on the brink of destruction but I do see the election of Donald J Trump as the work of Providence and I do believe in my heart of hearts that in some sense beyond my ken the world is without end.

Is this finally the answer to the question of what providence caused in 2016?

This verifies that your views are beyond delusional and just plain whacky. The vulgarian Trump is the result of idiot voters being suckered in by a PT Barnum bluster candidate with zero substance. He is a gold plated turd, and if providence elected him then providence ain't what it used to be. What a joke!

 

[devildavid]

lol...I'm not fearful...I am looking forward to it...

Yeah, the end of the world! Lets party!

 

[devildavid]

The political rulers may think that their deeds are of their own making but the fulfillment of Revelation's amazing prophecy will confirm the end is an act of God...He will have “put it into their hearts to carry out his thought”​...so yes, God is indeed in control...

"For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes, to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished." Revelation 17:17

So the political leaders are acting like robots.

 

[Tim the plumber]

Considering current events happening in the world, do you think we are on the brink?

"Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape." 1 Thess. 5:3

The world has never been safer.

The threat of nuclear war with a power very capable of flattening half the world, the USSR, was with us for 45 years. The fear of the 4 minute warning of your death was there all the time.

Today the biggest threat is the annoyance of small scale terrorist attcks from a low tech backward looking Islamic half arsed attempt at a religious revival. Thw ind is very much against them. They might do some spectacular events but they are not going to stop any real effort of the West.

 

[Daisy]

The world has never been safer.

The threat of nuclear war with a power very capable of flattening half the world, the USSR, was with us for 45 years. The fear of the 4 minute warning of your death was there all the time.

Today the biggest threat is the annoyance of small scale terrorist attcks from a low tech backward looking Islamic half arsed attempt at a religious revival. Thw ind is very much against them. They might do some spectacular events but they are not going to stop any real effort of the West.

Well, yeah, exactly...that is what the Bible prophesies...the world will proclaim "Peace and Security"...SMH...

 

[Angel]

Is this finally the answer to the question of what providence caused in 2016?

This verifies that your views are beyond delusional and just plain whacky. The vulgarian Trump is the result of idiot voters being suckered in by a PT Barnum bluster candidate with zero substance. He is a gold plated turd, and if providence elected him then providence ain't what it used to be. What a joke!

Do you believe that "God" actually played a part in Trump being elected POTUS?

A simple yes or no would suffice?
All I really ask is that you refrain from using other people's words, and/or quotes, and that you actually answer the question.

You fine fellows appear to be struggling with Shakespearean English. To assist your errant reading I've bolded the pertinent line in the quote for you here:

...
We defy augury. There’s a special providence in the fall of a sparrow.
If it be now, ’tis not to come. If it be not to come, it will be now.
If it be not now, yet it will come—the readiness is all.
--Hamlet, Act 5, Scene 2

 

[devildavid]

You fine fellows appear to be struggling with Shakespearean English. To assist your errant reading I've bolded the pertinent line in the quote for you here:

Problem is, you ain't Shakespeare and that isn't how you meant it. You think there is some special significance to Trump becoming president, so quit with the usual games. So, why do you think it is something special that Trump was elected?

 

[Barny]

Well, yeah, exactly...that is what the Bible prophesies...the world will proclaim "Peace and Security"...SMH...

The UN did that back in 1986, declaring 1986 the year of Peace and Security!

 

[Tim the plumber]

Well, yeah, exactly...that is what the Bible prophesies...the world will proclaim "Peace and Security"...SMH...

No wars and rumours of wars?

 

[Barny]

No wars and rumours of wars?

I was going to bring that up earlier...

Some claim that you can play any old tune on the bible depending on the scripture you quote.

The bible prophecies that a sign that the end is neigh or that we are on the brink, is that times will be critical and hard to deal with, with wars, and reports of wars, earth quakes, pestilences etc... Then you have the scripture quoted in the OP which prophecies that when peace and security is declared then sudden destruction is neigh. Therefore if the world is approaching a world war, some will claim we are on the brink. Then if it looks like peace is possible, some will claim we are on the brink.

Anyway the OP of this thread is jumping the gun. The world can't be on the brink of sudden destruction until religion has been banned according to bible prophecy. Elvira is merely looking for something in Trumps visit with the North Korean leader without taking into account the rest of bible prophecy.

Im my opinion if bible prophecy is correct, religion has to be banned first, world governments turn on true religion, peace and security declared (or the two things happening close together) then sudden destruction. I think we are a long way off from banning religion atm.

 

[Angel]

Problem is, you ain't Shakespeare and that isn't how you meant it....

Problem is, you need to read Shakespeare.
I'd recommend starting with Romeo and Juliet.
More recommendations will follow,

Namaste.

 

[devildavid]

Problem is, you need to read Shakespeare.
I'd recommend starting with Romeo and Juliet.
More recommendations will follow,

Namaste.

I studied Shakespeare in college.

You need to speak for yourself and be clear and honest in your meaning. Stop playing games.

 

[devildavid]

Biblical prophesies are garbage.

 

[Dragonfly]

You need to speak for yourself and be clear and honest in your meaning. Stop playing games.

He won't stop.

It's truly best to just ignore everything he posts, unless it actually is pertinent to the conversation.
So generally, just stop responding to him.

 

[devildavid]

He won't stop.

It's truly best to just ignore everything he posts, unless it actually is pertinent to the conversation.
So generally, just stop responding to him.

I have a strong fly swatting reflex.

 

[Daisy]

No wars and rumours of wars?

Well, sure...but that came first, with the 1st world war...

 

[Tim the plumber]

I was going to bring that up earlier...

Some claim that you can play any old tune on the bible depending on the scripture you quote.

The bible prophecies that a sign that the end is neigh or that we are on the brink, is that times will be critical and hard to deal with, with wars, and reports of wars, earth quakes, pestilences etc... Then you have the scripture quoted in the OP which prophecies that when peace and security is declared then sudden destruction is neigh. Therefore if the world is approaching a world war, some will claim we are on the brink. Then if it looks like peace is possible, some will claim we are on the brink.

Anyway the OP of this thread is jumping the gun. The world can't be on the brink of sudden destruction until religion has been banned according to bible prophecy. Elvira is merely looking for something in Trumps visit with the North Korean leader without taking into account the rest of bible prophecy.

Im my opinion if bible prophecy is correct, religion has to be banned first, world governments turn on true religion, peace and security declared (or the two things happening close together) then sudden destruction. I think we are a long way off from banning religion atm.

Well we can all hope that religion is treated as any other money making con and the existing laws of fraud applied to it as soon as possible.

 

[Tim the plumber]

Well, sure...but that came first, with the 1st world war...

You have no understanding of history.

The Seven years war was over more of the world.

The Napolionic wars more intense.

The 30 years war massively nasty.

 

[Angel]

The Avenging Angel
(second cousin thrice removed always on the qui vive)


Namaste.​

 

[Daisy]

You have no understanding of history.

The Seven years war was over more of the world.

The Napolionic wars more intense.

The 30 years war massively nasty.

There is a difference...the composite sign Jesus spoke of has to occur all within one period of time...

"Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen." Matt. 24:34

What things was he speaking of? Matt. 24:5:14

 

[Tim the plumber]

There is a difference...the composite sign Jesus spoke of has to occur all within one period of time...

"Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen." Matt. 24:34

What things was he speaking of? Matt. 24:5:14

He was saying that the end of the world would happen during the generation he was talking to.

It did not end.

 

[Daisy]

He was saying that the end of the world would happen during the generation he was talking to.

It did not end.

The world as they knew it...yes...70 CE...but he was also giving a composite sign of a much greater fulfillment for our day...

World Book Encyclopedia states: “World War I and its aftermath led to the greatest economic depression in history during the early 1930’s. The consequences of the war and the problems of adjustment to peace led to unrest in almost every nation.”26 A few years later World War II erupted, many times more horrible than the first. Since then, disregard for life and property has grown, and fear of crime has become part of everyday life. Morals have been shoved aside. The “population explosion” is posing problems to which leaders say they have no real solution. Pollution of the environment is spoiling the quality of life and threatening to wipe it out. As a result, a report on a United Nations Conference on the Human Environment declared that the human family stands at the threshold of “a crisis more sudden, more global, more inescapable, and more bewildering than any ever encountered by the human species.”27

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101973067?q=one+generation&p=sen

 

[zyzygy]

He was saying that the end of the world would happen during the generation he was talking to.

It did not end.

Believers avoid that point.